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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 7:40 am 
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"enforcer types" don't have any long term impact on the goonery of players -- it is for one game only -- you neutralize Wilson by gooning up on Ovi, Oshie, etc -- eye for an eye

It also affects the "flow" of a playoff series -- a guy like Wilson can impose his will on a team and will do so if there is nothing standing in his way


Wilson imposes his will because he can actually play.

They don't let just anyone take first line minutes.



Washington is kinda fucked without Wilson - he has been their most indispensable player after the goalie.

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Uh I think Ovi and Carlson have been pretty good, so can't agree with this


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steel wrote:
"enforcer types" don't have any long term impact on the goonery of players -- it is for one game only -- you neutralize Wilson by gooning up on Ovi, Oshie, etc -- eye for an eye

It also affects the "flow" of a playoff series -- a guy like Wilson can impose his will on a team and will do so if there is nothing standing in his way



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfor6sCws-Q

Maybe this will ease your pain.

Who is "Reece" ?


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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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steel wrote:
I think the suspension is kinda bullshit, but that's the way the NHL is going. No physical play.

I like the physical element to the game, and I didn't think the hit on Reece was egregiously illegal -- it was a big man running over a smaller man who was handling the puck. I guess he made contact with his head, but definitely didn't look intentional.

He clearly INTENDED TO CRUSH Reece, but it didn't look like he was intentionally head hunting.

NHL is going the way of the NFL and they are trying to legislate the viciousness out of the sport.

I will say again -- the way to deal with guys like Wilson is to fight fire with fire -


Holy shit. You're fucking retarded. No way a person actually can be this retarded. I guess they can.


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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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steel wrote:
I think the suspension is kinda bullshit, but that's the way the NHL is going. No physical play.

I like the physical element to the game, and I didn't think the hit on Reece was egregiously illegal -- it was a big man running over a smaller man who was handling the puck. I guess he made contact with his head, but definitely didn't look intentional.

He clearly INTENDED TO CRUSH Reece, but it didn't look like he was intentionally head hunting.

NHL is going the way of the NFL and they are trying to legislate the viciousness out of the sport.

I will say again -- the way to deal with guys like Wilson is to fight fire with fire -


Holy shit. You're fucking retarded. No way a person actually can be this retarded. I guess they can.


I would LOVE TO break your fucking jaw like Wilson did to Reece -- you fucking pussy - maybe then we wouldn't need to listen to your arrogant fucking mouth here again


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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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steel wrote:
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I think the suspension is kinda bullshit, but that's the way the NHL is going. No physical play.

I like the physical element to the game, and I didn't think the hit on Reece was egregiously illegal -- it was a big man running over a smaller man who was handling the puck. I guess he made contact with his head, but definitely didn't look intentional.

He clearly INTENDED TO CRUSH Reece, but it didn't look like he was intentionally head hunting.

NHL is going the way of the NFL and they are trying to legislate the viciousness out of the sport.

I will say again -- the way to deal with guys like Wilson is to fight fire with fire -


Holy shit. You're fucking retarded. No way a person actually can be this retarded. I guess they can.


I would LOVE TO break your fucking jaw like Wilson did to Reece -- you fucking pussy - maybe then we wouldn't need to listen to your arrogant fucking mouth here again


Guys, take your sandbox battles to PM. Talk hockey and don't drag this forum down like the football forum has been.

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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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steel wrote:
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steel wrote:
I think the suspension is kinda bullshit, but that's the way the NHL is going. No physical play.

I like the physical element to the game, and I didn't think the hit on Reece was egregiously illegal -- it was a big man running over a smaller man who was handling the puck. I guess he made contact with his head, but definitely didn't look intentional.

He clearly INTENDED TO CRUSH Reece, but it didn't look like he was intentionally head hunting.

NHL is going the way of the NFL and they are trying to legislate the viciousness out of the sport.

I will say again -- the way to deal with guys like Wilson is to fight fire with fire -


Holy shit. You're fucking retarded. No way a person actually can be this retarded. I guess they can.


I would LOVE TO break your fucking jaw like Wilson did to Reece -- you fucking pussy - maybe then we wouldn't need to listen to your arrogant fucking mouth here again



How do you listen to words typed on a message board.
Could you break my jaw, you geriatric yinzer?

Also, looks like low IQ steel is...


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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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Setting the tone in the modern NHL is about burying the other team with shots and speed.


You have been overlooking the third and fourth lines of the Caps completely in this series. I'll give you Smith-Pelly and maybe Connolly might just be overachieving, but Eller has become nearly the equal of what Marcus Johansson was, with maybe a little bit of Backstrom thrown in there for good measure. With all due respect to Jason Chimera there is a lot more speed and skill on our fourth line w/Chiasson and Vrana than I have ever seen on a Caps roster. I think our offensive depth is as good if not better than last year, and getting Kempny has largely staunched the defensive bleeding this offseason and earlier in the year.

It will be a much different story if Kessel, or god help me Carl Fuckin' Hagelin shows up to the party, or we get an injury on D, but what have your bottom two lines done so far this series? Sullivan has work to do, and not just because Wilson murdered a guy tonight.


Cool, sounds like you are desperate to talk Capitals hockey. Nice attempt to weasel it into a thread about that dumb fuck Tom Wilson’s cheap shot. Start a thread, see who shows up. And really, I don’t agree with anything you just wrote.

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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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It's dumb and short-sighted to criticize a fan of another team who wants to come here and talk actual hockey. This is a Steelers board, and we all have that in common. Talking with other fans who are not talking irrational smack is a decent way to learn something more about your team and the league at large.

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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
It's dumb and short-sighted to criticize a fan of another team who wants to come here and talk actual hockey. This is a Steelers board, and we all have that in common. Talking with other fans who are not talking irrational smack is a decent way to learn something more about your team and the league at large.


Agreed. Malba isn't being a dick about things, let him discuss. We go through this shit every year- he's a fellow steelers fan


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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 8:06 am 
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DrMalba wrote:
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It’s not surprising that you — a capitals fan — support or at least seemingly defend Wilson.


Go ahead and find the post where I defended Tom Wilson. Where I said one fucking thing about any of those hits. I'll wait.

Your analysis about my Caps fandom and mental deficiency ill consider, but at this time of year I'll just paraphrase my buddy tunch and say I don't get caught up in results-oriented thinking.


Your inference in the post I commented on suggested a defense of sorts for Wilson. As for your results based analysis...if I flip a coin 100 times and it always comes up heads, I might change my estimation on whether it is a fair coin.


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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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It's dumb and short-sighted to criticize a fan of another team who wants to come here and talk actual hockey. This is a Steelers board, and we all have that in common. Talking with other fans who are not talking irrational smack is a decent way to learn something more about your team and the league at large.


Agreed. Malba isn't being a dick about things, let him discuss. We go through this shit every year- he's a fellow steelers fan


I wasn't gonna call anybody out, but a couple turns of phrase here and there contained mildly dickish overtones. Melba is just a little more subtle with his smack than Beth is, which I respect.


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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
It's dumb and short-sighted to criticize a fan of another team who wants to come here and talk actual hockey. This is a Steelers board, and we all have that in common. Talking with other fans who are not talking irrational smack is a decent way to learn something more about your team and the league at large.

Love your passion and opinions B2B but to me this is a Pittsburgh board. I understand if you are from Montana and you chose the Steelers as your team because some loud mouth Dick in school was a Cowboys fan.

If that’s the case keep your hockey affiliations to yourself Or otherwise own the occasional comment - to me this is a Pittsburgh board and I am from the town with the great hockey team. The Caps have become the evil empire with the bullshit they have done over the last few years. I have zero respect for them, their owner or their fans, zero.


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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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I'm good with Malba's posts. He's not a dick about it...at all. One of MY frustrations with this board, honestly, is there's simply not enough hockey talk, which I understand as it's a Steeler site, but I prefer to come here and not frequent the other sites. That there's somebody else talking hockey, and not doing it with a goal of starting shit, I take as a good thing.


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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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Suwanee88 wrote:
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It's dumb and short-sighted to criticize a fan of another team who wants to come here and talk actual hockey. This is a Steelers board, and we all have that in common. Talking with other fans who are not talking irrational smack is a decent way to learn something more about your team and the league at large.

Love your passion and opinions B2B but to me this is a Pittsburgh board. I understand if you are from Montana and you chose the Steelers as your team because some loud mouth Dick in school was a Cowboys fan.

If that’s the case keep your hockey affiliations to yourself Or otherwise own the occasional comment - to me this is a Pittsburgh board and I am from the town with the great hockey team. The Caps have become the evil empire with the bullshit they have done over the last few years. I have zero respect for them, their owner or their fans, zero.


Born and bred Pittsburgh fan (although I make no distinction between native Pittsburghers and those who adopted Pittsburgh fandom).

I personally have no problems with posters in these threads who are fans of other teams, even IF they are dicks about it...because when the Penguins stomp their asses, we can give them back what they have a thousand fold.

And I think most of the regulars in the hockey threads feel the same way, so I’m not sure where this hostility comes from.

You don’t like Malba’s or Beth’s posts...just skip over them.

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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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Jeemie wrote:
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It's dumb and short-sighted to criticize a fan of another team who wants to come here and talk actual hockey. This is a Steelers board, and we all have that in common. Talking with other fans who are not talking irrational smack is a decent way to learn something more about your team and the league at large.

Love your passion and opinions B2B but to me this is a Pittsburgh board. I understand if you are from Montana and you chose the Steelers as your team because some loud mouth Dick in school was a Cowboys fan.

If that’s the case keep your hockey affiliations to yourself Or otherwise own the occasional comment - to me this is a Pittsburgh board and I am from the town with the great hockey team. The Caps have become the evil empire with the bullshit they have done over the last few years. I have zero respect for them, their owner or their fans, zero.


Born and bred Pittsburgh fan (although I make no distinction between native Pittsburghers and those who adopted Pittsburgh fandom).

I personally have no problems with posters in these threads who are fans of other teams, even IF they are dicks about it...because when the Penguins stomp their asses, we can give them back what they have a thousand fold.

And I think most of the regulars in the hockey threads feel the same way, so I’m not sure where this hostility comes from.

You don’t like Malba’s or Beth’s posts...just skip over them.


Did anyone tell him not to post? I personally was just stating he is mentally deficient because he is a Caps fan...I basically said water is wet.


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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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Suwanee88 wrote:
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It's dumb and short-sighted to criticize a fan of another team who wants to come here and talk actual hockey. This is a Steelers board, and we all have that in common. Talking with other fans who are not talking irrational smack is a decent way to learn something more about your team and the league at large.

Love your passion and opinions B2B but to me this is a Pittsburgh board. I understand if you are from Montana and you chose the Steelers as your team because some loud mouth Dick in school was a Cowboys fan.

If that’s the case keep your hockey affiliations to yourself Or otherwise own the occasional comment - to me this is a Pittsburgh board and I am from the town with the great hockey team. The Caps have become the evil empire with the bullshit they have done over the last few years. I have zero respect for them, their owner or their fans, zero.


It truly is amazing how much dirty shit that franchise has not just condoned but openly supported in the last few years.


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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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I was responding to Suwanee, not you.

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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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Jeemie wrote:
I was responding to Suwanee, not you.


Who also didn't say Malba can't post; instead, he said he should own the post (i.e., expect some shit for it).


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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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Zeke5123 wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
I was responding to Suwanee, not you.


Who also didn't say Malba can't post; instead, he said he should own the post (i.e., expect some shit for it).


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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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Zeke5123 wrote:
Suwanee88 wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
It's dumb and short-sighted to criticize a fan of another team who wants to come here and talk actual hockey. This is a Steelers board, and we all have that in common. Talking with other fans who are not talking irrational smack is a decent way to learn something more about your team and the league at large.

Love your passion and opinions B2B but to me this is a Pittsburgh board. I understand if you are from Montana and you chose the Steelers as your team because some loud mouth Dick in school was a Cowboys fan.

If that’s the case keep your hockey affiliations to yourself Or otherwise own the occasional comment - to me this is a Pittsburgh board and I am from the town with the great hockey team. The Caps have become the evil empire with the bullshit they have done over the last few years. I have zero respect for them, their owner or their fans, zero.


It truly is amazing how much dirty shit that franchise has not just condoned but openly supported in the last few years.

Agree - classless group of people.


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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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First of all, I appreciate the people who posted positive things here. Its good to know that some people understand why i'm more interested in posting here, rather than hfboards or some caps fans subreddit.

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If that’s the case keep your hockey affiliations to yourself Or otherwise own the occasional comment - to me this is a Pittsburgh board and I am from the town with the great hockey team.


This is a Steelers fan site, not a Penguins one. Hell this isn't even specifically a Penguins sub forum its a "Pittsburgh Sports" subforum.

If your point is "don't be a pussy about it" then OK, i've been posting in Caps-Pens hockey threads regularly since we squared off in the playoffs in 2009, I know what the deal is and I can take a shot - and have. Most of it I throw in the bucket with game thread ranting and I understand it isn't malicious. Most of it.

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The Caps have become the evil empire with the bullshit they have done over the last few years. I have zero respect for them, their owner or their fans, zero.


Since the timeframe is two years, that means the blindside Letang hit on Johanssen is in play, right?
That moral highground you imagine you are on is mighty slippery, especially since your fellow fans on this here forums were calling for someone to "Bertuzzi" his ass a few days prior, and standing up and flipping off OV on national TV. Or how about the visiting fan tradition of occupying the DC National Portrait Gallery steps and taunting the caps fans on as they leave the game.

Tom Wilson is out of this series as a reminder that at 6'4" with a granite shoulder you can't elevate and "finish" a check through a guy's face that is four inches shorter and twenty pounds lighter. Even if the hits are technically legal by some definition that play was ultimately selfish and stupid and why I am begrudgingly accepting and gritting my teeth through this suspension and why I didn't try to defend it. Unlike a goon like Tom Sestito - who drew a Penguins paycheck last season - Tom Wilson can play hockey and thats what he should be doing.

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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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DrMalba wrote:
First of all, I appreciate the people who posted positive things here. Its good to know that some people understand why i'm more interested in posting here, rather than hfboards or some caps fans subreddit.

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If that’s the case keep your hockey affiliations to yourself Or otherwise own the occasional comment - to me this is a Pittsburgh board and I am from the town with the great hockey team.


This is a Steelers fan site, not a Penguins one. Hell this isn't even specifically a Penguins sub forum its a "Pittsburgh Sports" subforum.

If your point is "don't be a pussy about it" then OK, i've been posting in Caps-Pens hockey threads regularly since we squared off in the playoffs in 2009, I know what the deal is and I can take a shot - and have. Most of it I throw in the bucket with game thread ranting and I understand it isn't malicious. Most of it.

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The Caps have become the evil empire with the bullshit they have done over the last few years. I have zero respect for them, their owner or their fans, zero.


Since the timeframe is two years, that means the blindside Letang hit on Johanssen is in play, right?
That moral highground you imagine you are on is mighty slippery, especially since your fellow fans on this here forums were calling for someone to "Bertuzzi" his ass a few days prior, and standing up and flipping off OV on national TV. Or how about the visiting fan tradition of occupying the DC National Portrait Gallery steps and taunting the caps fans on as they leave the game.

Tom Wilson is out of this series as a reminder that at 6'4" with a granite shoulder you can't elevate and "finish" a check through a guy's face that is four inches shorter and twenty pounds lighter. Even if the hits are technically legal by some definition that play was ultimately selfish and stupid and why I am begrudgingly accepting and gritting my teeth through this suspension and why I didn't try to defend it. Unlike a goon like Tom Sestito - who drew a Penguins paycheck last season - Tom Wilson can play hockey and thats what he should be doing.


Malba - I don’t care if you want to post. That’s your right. I find it odd that you want to come onto a Pittsburgh forum as a Caps fan and post in a Penguins thread when we all here hate the Capitals fucking guts.

You are a fool if you think you can convince me that your team is clean . They are scum bags. Tom Wilson is a piece of shit. The fact that he has skills makes him a bigger piece of shit.

Regarding the steps..... your piece of shit owner Teddy is the fuck who has called out and attacked Pens fans and whines and bitches about their overwhelming presence in his building. Those showings are just a big fuck you back to Teddy.

But when in doubt, resort to the cheap shots that they have been doing the last few years. Anything to win.


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 Post subject: Re: This is how you handle Tom Wilson
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Anything to win.
I don't have a dog in this fight but the anything to win mantra seems to be the approach du jour. With almost everything.

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Anything to win.
I don't have a dog in this fight but the anything to win mantra seems to be the approach du jour. With almost everything.

What fight?


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A couple of other points.....

Barry Trotz comparing Guentzel’s check on Carlson to Wilson shows first hand how disingenuous these people are.

Furthermore when Matt Cooke hit Marc Savard 3 or 4 years ago - I was shocked and angry about it and thought he was a scum bag piece of shit for doing it. So did Lemieux and the Penguins- they forced him to change his game which he did. The exact opposite of how these goons have handled their players.


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