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 Post subject: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:01 am 
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Still just 27, Davis will undoubtedly get another look. But at a projected $4.4MM arbitration salary, it seems reasonably likely — though far from certain — that he will clear waivers and find his next home on the open market.

Plan is coming together boys.

Russ Martin off the payroll. $15.3 million.
Frank Liriano off the payroll. $15.3 million.
Ike Davis off the payroll. $ 4.4 million.

$35 million saved. Less what the "Liz" will make, that comes out to $32 million.
NH surely has the ammunition now to go out and "almost" get some FA help?

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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
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How can you use 15.3 for Liriano and Martin when they turned that down?


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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:31 am 
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How can you use 15.3 for Liriano and Martin when they turned that down?


It's probably a tad disingenuous because I am sure NH expected those offers would be turned down but the Pirates did offer that much money in new contracts.

So can't we assume they'd be comfortable offering that much out to other players?

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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:38 am 
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Of course you can't. You can't say someone is saving money they never had an obligation to pay.


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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:58 pm 
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The most disappointing aspect of this is that it means Pedro will stay longer than expected. I was hoping we'd be able to trade him in the offseason while we could still get something.

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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 4:37 pm 
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shamtown wrote:
Of course you can't. You can't say someone is saving money they never had an obligation to pay.


But shouldn't we give the FO the benefit of the doubt? They did "offer" $15.3 to Russ, and $15.3 to Frankie. That's $30.6 million that, in theory, they would have added to next year's payroll if both players accepted those deals. And lest we forget, the Pirates, according to Bob Pompeani, offered Russ $48 million for 3 years. Why should we not expect the FO to use that money to get impact players and not just rely on internal options or reclamation projects? At least with Russ and Frankie we knew that, based on recent production, they both likely would bring needed value immediately.

You are correct to point out that, in all likelihood, the Pirates merely wanted two draft choices and some limited PR value. The good news is that they will get the draft choices, hopefully select good players, sign them, and then develop them quickly. The bad news is that we've lost two proven immediate impact players.

FWIW, I don't expect Frankie or Volcano to be re-signed. I hope I'm wrong. My expectation of the opening day staff is, in aphabetical order, AJ-Cole-Locke-Morton-Worley. Taillon may get the call by mid-June in case of injury or ineffectiveness. Until then, Cumpton, etc.

BTW -- It's not Pedro's fault, but I don't like right-handed first basemen. Lefties have the glove towards the hole (1st and 2nd) and have a better throwing lane to 2nd base. Now it's Pedro and Gaby.

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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
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Unless they do something drastic, they are pretty much set at position players, outside of maybe catcher? Was Cervelli brought here to be the actual everyday starting C? They also of course need some pieces on the bench. But where they really need to spend the money is on starting pitching.

They have -

Cole

Morton

Burnett

Locke?

Worley?


Need some bullpen help too. Maybe they'll sign a 9th inning hammer?


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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:17 pm 
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Luca Brasi wrote:
Unless they do something drastic, they are pretty much set at position players, outside of maybe catcher? Was Cervelli brought here to be the actual everyday starting C? They also of course need some pieces on the bench. But where they really need to spend the money is on starting pitching.

They have -

Cole
Morton
Burnett
Locke?
Worley?

Need some bullpen help too. Maybe they'll sign a 9th inning hammer?


Luca, my most valued friend, for the Pirates to go deep into October, they need starting hammers, like Bumgarner/Cain for SF. SF didn't dominate KC because they didn't have the 2nd hammer with Cain's injury. Cole may be hammer #1. Who is hammer #2?

Also, you are correct about the 9th inning hammer. Melancon has a nice cutter that, IMHO, works better on lefties than righties (who just slap it into right field with regularity). We need that, in particular, because Hurdle likes the 711 approach. Justin Wilson could have been that guy, but ran too hot/cold. Tony Watson could be that guy, but seems better at his 8th inning role. So far, we have a decent starting rotation, and very good 7th and 8th inning guys. Maybe Holdzkum (sp?) can be that guy?

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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:30 pm 
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Bling Collector Ben wrote:
Luca Brasi wrote:
Unless they do something drastic, they are pretty much set at position players, outside of maybe catcher? Was Cervelli brought here to be the actual everyday starting C? They also of course need some pieces on the bench. But where they really need to spend the money is on starting pitching.

They have -

Cole
Morton
Burnett
Locke?
Worley?

Need some bullpen help too. Maybe they'll sign a 9th inning hammer?


Luca, my most valued friend, for the Pirates to go deep into October, they need starting hammers, like Bumgarner/Cain for SF. SF didn't dominate KC because they didn't have the 2nd hammer with Cain's injury. Cole may be hammer #1. Who is hammer #2?

Also, you are correct about the 9th inning hammer. Melancon has a nice cutter that, IMHO, works better on lefties than righties (who just slap it into right field with regularity). We need that, in particular, because Hurdle likes the 711 approach. Justin Wilson could have been that guy, but ran too hot/cold. Tony Watson could be that guy, but seems better at his 8th inning role. So far, we have a decent starting rotation, and very good 7th and 8th inning guys. Maybe Holdzkum (sp?) can be that guy?



Are there any James Shields type of pitchers out? Hell is Shields available? :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
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Are there any James Shields type of pitchers out? Hell is Shields available? :lol:


There is some guy...I think his name is Liriano?

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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
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Bling Collector Ben wrote:
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Are there any James Shields type of pitchers out? Hell is Shields available? :lol:


There is some guy...I think his name is Liriano?



I hear you friend, I just haven't been hearing much in regards from Liriano's side in regards with if he wants to stay in Pittsburgh.


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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
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When can we expect tailion and heredia
A lot rides in pedro at 1b and whether Harrison is a real full time players.
Would really like to see them do better at C as that seems to be the one spot not set
Unless they look at SS


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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
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What's wrong with Mercer?


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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
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shamtown wrote:
What's wrong with Mercer?


Agree. IMO he's very comparable to top short stops with the bat and was solid with the glove. Catcher is the position that will need upgraded, along with pitching.


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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
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As one who has thoroughly criticized Alvarez in the past, I actually like the idea of committing to him at 1b. I just have a feeling he finally puts together a fine season all the way through in 2015.


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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
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i didn't say anything was terribly wrong with him
in full time duties at 28 his bat was average to a little below average -- 255/305/387/693

Moreso, considering alvarez moves to 1b and harrison is now the 3b there are no spots left except C that aren't really solidified. so if you wanted to add more offense, i was looking at positions.

i have no bone to pick with mercer.

so .... if they are looking to add anyone via trade or FA before March seems to me it is pitching or catcher. if they think cervelli is it then its pitching. burnett already signed -- so perhaps they are done.


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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:37 am 
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Gonzo wrote:
i didn't say anything was terribly wrong with him
in full time duties at 28 his bat was average to a little below average -- 255/305/387/693

Moreso, considering alvarez moves to 1b and harrison is now the 3b there are no spots left except C that aren't really solidified. so if you wanted to add more offense, i was looking at positions.

i have no bone to pick with mercer.

so .... if they are looking to add anyone via trade or FA before March seems to me it is pitching or catcher. if they think cervelli is it then its pitching. burnett already signed -- so perhaps they are done.


thats the right analysis

with Pedro at 1st and JHay at 3rd, we have no holes in the lineup, except C and P

would like to see us spend money on signing the Pittsburgh Kid to a long term deal


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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
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Have to think about the bench as well..they have Snyder, Sanchez...??


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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
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Luca Brasi wrote:
Have to think about the bench as well..they have Snyder, Sanchez...??

The Great Tabata. Is Barmes back? Chris Stewart? Andrew Lambo?
Seriously, based on how they finished last season, is Snyder the starting RF going in?

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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
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Apparently, they traded Ike Davis to the A's. Not clear who/what is coming in return.

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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
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Jobus Rum wrote:
Luca Brasi wrote:
Have to think about the bench as well..they have Snyder, Sanchez...??

The Great Tabata. Is Barmes back? Chris Stewart? Andrew Lambo?
Seriously, based on how they finished last season, is Snyder the starting RF going in?


Stewart forgot about him. I actually thought Tabata got DFA'd?


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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
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Luca Brasi wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:
Luca Brasi wrote:
Have to think about the bench as well..they have Snyder, Sanchez...??

The Great Tabata. Is Barmes back? Chris Stewart? Andrew Lambo?
Seriously, based on how they finished last season, is Snyder the starting RF going in?


Stewart forgot about him. I actually thought Tabata got DFA'd?

I don't think so regarding Tabata, unless I missed it, which is entirely possible.

EDIT...you are correct Luca, Tabata was DFAed in October.

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 Post subject: Re: Ike Davis gets DFA'd
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Yeah but he accepted the minor league assignment so I'm sure we'll see him again.


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