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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:06 am 
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BethlehemSteel wrote:
Just to be fair yooous guys sure love the goons :D


This is a "goon" that can also actually play.

Never going to score a lot of goals, but is always where he needs to be.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:31 am 
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Absolutely love the trade! He will become a fan favorite the first time he punishes an opposing player for fucking with Crosby. Look for that to happen right out of the gate to send teams a message that messing with Crosby gets your ass kicked. With that said, I firmly believe in eye for an eye. If the other team wants to fuck with Crosby, have Reaves knock their #1 guy the fuck out!


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:44 am 
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alancac98 wrote:
Absolutely love the trade! He will become a fan favorite the first time he punishes an opposing player for fucking with Crosby. Look for that to happen right out of the gate to send teams a message that messing with Crosby gets your ass kicked. With that said, I firmly believe in eye for an eye. If the other team wants to fuck with Crosby, have Reaves knock their #1 guy the fuck out!


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:45 am 
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Jeemie wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
Just to be fair yooous guys sure love the goons :D


This is a "goon" that can also actually play.

Never going to score a lot of goals, but is always where he needs to be.


very true -- people comparing Reaves to Sestito make me laugh -- Reaves is 10000X more of a hockey player/skater than Sestito


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:55 am 
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From 2010 to 2016, the Pittsburgh Penguins lacked a team identity. That changed when Sullivan took the helm. The team was built on skill and speed throughout the lineup. It showed success. The team won back-to-back Stanley Cups with guys like Bryan Rust, Jake Guentzel, Tom Kuhnackl, and Conor Sheary.

Let's forward to the 2017-2018 season. Picture this, Sidney Crosby is in front of the net in the first round of the playoffs against the wild card New York Rangers. Then, a scene all too familiar occurs, Marc Staal cross checks Crosby viciously in the back of the head. But wait! Here comes Reaves off the bench to rescue our captain and violently assault Staal. Oh. Oh wait. You mean a player's presence on a team isn't going to stop Crosby or any other star from getting pummeled? You mean that has been proven the case time and time again? You mean maybe the problem is the league's inability to police and protect their stars? You mean Reaves got a 10-game suspension for leaving the bench? Oh. "Vengeance for Sid"? What a fucking stupid comment. Yes, the Penguins star player is out of the game with a concussion. Don't worry! Here comes our tough guy Reaves to get a 5 minute boarding major! Hooray! Dumb. Clueless.

I'm pretty sure Max Lapierre was on the Penguins when Staal took liberties on Crosby that series. I'm sure Staal was shaking in his skates looking at Lapierre on the bench as he was breaking Crosby's neck.

Does anyone remember the undisciplined slop fest against the Flyers in the 2012-13 playoffs? Remember how much retaliation helped the Penguins just win back-to-back Stanley Cups? Oh. It didn't. I'm actually shocked at the universal praise for this trade on this board, but then I remembered. Welp. Yinzers.

Do ya'll remember Steve Downie? The walking penalty machine? You yinzers have an aneurysm when Geno gets a penalty two games in a row. Imagine Steve Downie's tendency to get penalties in about half the ice time of Geno but with less offensive ability. That's Reaves. If you take into account only Reaves' minors last season (easily he most disciplined), he'd rank 4th on the Penguins last season...in half the ice time.

Remember the possession killing offensive ineptitude of the later years of Craig Adams and Chris Kunitz? Remember how, with the expulsion of Kunitz, the Penguins would be getting rid of all the dead weight?Don't worry, they have Ryan Reaves now. Remember the push for advanced statistics by the Penguins brass? Hell, they just promoted war-on-ice creator Sam Ventura to a more prominent role.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDGA6zjXsAEacRw.jpg:large
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Oh.

Well at least Kunitz could still kill penalties. Same for Adams. Surely Reaves is a great penalty ki....he isnt? Oh.


I don't mind the addition of a guy to the lineup to protect the stars. I can see a need for it in the regular season against the Flyers or Capitals. Tom Sestito can fill that role. Oh, and hey, he wouldn't cost a first round pick and a ok prospect. These players become useless in the playoffs, especially for a speed team like Pittsburgh that wants to roll 4 scoring lines. I sure am going to love when the team becomes a shit show for a playoff game next year.

You know what's not really important for a team like the Penguins? The regular season. You know what is important? The playoffs. You know who has scored one point in 36 career playoff games? Reaves. Oh.

"But he's 4th line. He's not all about points!" Doesn't kill penalties. Doesn't have good possession numbers. Apparently protects star players?

4th line scoring isn't important? Oh, you mean it is for the Penguins? It's their identity? Tom Kuhnackl 7 points in 36 playoff games the last two years. Cullen 15 points in 49 playoff games the last two years. "Cullen took some penalty killing minutes and was able to go up and down the lineup! Unfair!" A diverse, versatile player as a 4th liner who isn't glued to 1 position?!?! Crazy, right?

All at the price of a first rounder. Get em while they're hot! What a shit overpayment. This would have made sense if it was Reaves for a fifth. Hell, I'd even do Sundqvist and a fifth for Reaves and been able to stomach it.


So, what can Reaves do well? He can play defense and suppress shots. He can cycle the puck a bit with the right players. He can skate. He can hit. So, if you love 8 minutes of that every night, while ignoring the fact that he's been a negative player his whole career despite that, good for you! If you love it at the price it came at, even better! I surely love the leeching of draft picks for no reason and the signing of veteran bottom 6 forwards that do nothing to help the team win. Cause that worked so well under Bylsma/Shero.

I'm sure most of ya'll were scrambling to Google "Ryan Reaves" or "I miss Fleury's smile" after this trade was announced, or in the case of Jeemie "original thought", and you're clearly experts now, but this guy is Tanner Glass 2.0. He's a step back from what made this team special. I witnessed the fall of a potential dynasty after the back-to-back cup appearances against Detroit. Yes, this is a small deal in theory, but it could prove quite large in nature. I'm going to reserve ultimate judgement and see what Rutherford does. I hope to god he has a plan. It's a change in philosophy from everything that made Pittsburgh successful these two seasons. It blows dick like retard steel.


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:56 am 
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good analysis from a Red Wings fan:

This is actually a smart move. The year after Detroit won the Cup in '08, Holland, in his infinite idiocy (don't even get me started on last night's draft pick) chose to keep Downey and McCarty in the AHL. Teams went after Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Hossa and Lidstrom EVERY game. After the whistle hits, shots to the head, you name it, no push back from any Wings players. It was embarrassing if I'm being honest. The stars probably took twice the beating they would have had they anyone on the team to hold players accountable. I still to this day believe it played a factor in Detroit losing to Pittsburgh in the finals. Datsyuk was beat up, Hossa was hurt, Lidstom, Franzen, they all took an extra beating all that season. So again, smart move by Pittsburgh.

dumbasses like Hacksaw are playing checkers while JR is playing chess

That's why fucking idiots like him don't get the trade


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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:14 pm 
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Come on Hack this trade isn't the beginning to the end for the Penguins.
Did they over pay? You bet and when you consider what the Pens gave up for Kessel this trade is even more lopsided but not in their favor.
This also means that Kunitz is sayonara which should thrill you.

I'm going to wait and see what Reaves does in a Penguin uniform then we can trash him or Rutherford or we can be surprised maybe happily so.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:23 pm 
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrote:
From 2010 to 2016, the Pittsburgh Penguins lacked a team identity. That changed when Sullivan took the helm. The team was built on skill and speed throughout the lineup. It showed success. The team won back-to-back Stanley Cups with guys like Bryan Rust, Jake Guentzel, Tom Kuhnackl, and Conor Sheary.

Let's forward to the 2017-2018 season. Picture this, Sidney Crosby is in front of the net in the first round of the playoffs against the wild card New York Rangers. Then, a scene all too familiar occurs, Marc Staal cross checks Crosby viciously in the back of the head. But wait! Here comes Reaves off the bench to rescue our captain and violently assault Staal. Oh. Oh wait. You mean a player's presence on a team isn't going to stop Crosby or any other star from getting pummeled? You mean that has been proven the case time and time again? You mean maybe the problem is the league's inability to police and protect their stars? You mean Reaves got a 10-game suspension for leaving the bench? Oh. "Vengeance for Sid"? What a fucking stupid comment. Yes, the Penguins star player is out of the game with a concussion. Don't worry! Here comes our tough guy Reaves to get a 5 minute boarding major! Hooray! Dumb. Clueless.

I'm pretty sure Max Lapierre was on the Penguins when Staal took liberties on Crosby that series. I'm sure Staal was shaking in his skates looking at Lapierre on the bench as he was breaking Crosby's neck.

Does anyone remember the undisciplined slop fest against the Flyers in the 2012-13 playoffs? Remember how much retaliation helped the Penguins just win back-to-back Stanley Cups? Oh. It didn't. I'm actually shocked at the universal praise for this trade on this board, but then I remembered. Welp. Yinzers.

Do ya'll remember Steve Downie? The walking penalty machine? You yinzers have an aneurysm when Geno gets a penalty two games in a row. Imagine Steve Downie's tendency to get penalties in about half the ice time of Geno but with less offensive ability. That's Reaves. If you take into account only Reaves' minors last season (easily he most disciplined), he'd rank 4th on the Penguins last season...in half the ice time.

Remember the possession killing offensive ineptitude of the later years of Craig Adams and Chris Kunitz? Remember how, with the expulsion of Kunitz, the Penguins would be getting rid of all the dead weight?Don't worry, they have Ryan Reaves now. Remember the push for advanced statistics by the Penguins brass? Hell, they just promoted war-on-ice creator Sam Ventura to a more prominent role.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDGA6zjXsAEacRw.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDDRdJaXkAEaKrD.jpg:large

Oh.

Well at least Kunitz could still kill penalties. Same for Adams. Surely Reaves is a great penalty ki....he isnt? Oh.


I don't mind the addition of a guy to the lineup to protect the stars. I can see a need for it in the regular season against the Flyers or Capitals. Tom Sestito can fill that role. Oh, and hey, he wouldn't cost a first round pick and a ok prospect. These players become useless in the playoffs, especially for a speed team like Pittsburgh that wants to roll 4 scoring lines. I sure am going to love when the team becomes a shit show for a playoff game next year.

You know what's not really important for a team like the Penguins? The regular season. You know what is important? The playoffs. You know who has scored one point in 36 career playoff games? Reaves. Oh.

"But he's 4th line. He's not all about points!" Doesn't kill penalties. Doesn't have good possession numbers. Apparently protects star players?

4th line scoring isn't important? Oh, you mean it is for the Penguins? It's their identity? Tom Kuhnackl 7 points in 36 playoff games the last two years. Cullen 15 points in 49 playoff games the last two years. "Cullen took some penalty killing minutes and was able to go up and down the lineup! Unfair!" A diverse, versatile player as a 4th liner who isn't glued to 1 position?!?! Crazy, right?

All at the price of a first rounder. Get em while they're hot! What a shit overpayment. This would have made sense if it was Reaves for a fifth. Hell, I'd even do Sundqvist and a fifth for Reaves and been able to stomach it.


So, what can Reaves do well? He can play defense and suppress shots. He can cycle the puck a bit with the right players. He can skate. He can hit. So, if you love 8 minutes of that every night, while ignoring the fact that he's been a negative player his whole career despite that, good for you! If you love it at the price it came at, even better! I surely love the leeching of draft picks for no reason and the signing of veteran bottom 6 forwards that do nothing to help the team win. Cause that worked so well under Bylsma/Shero.

I'm sure most of ya'll were scrambling to Google "Ryan Reaves" or "I miss Fleury's smile" after this trade was announced, or in the case of Jeemie "original thought", and you're clearly experts now, but this guy is Tanner Glass 2.0. He's a step back from what made this team special. I witnessed the fall of a potential dynasty after the back-to-back cup appearances against Detroit. Yes, this is a small deal in theory, but it could prove quite large in nature. I'm going to reserve ultimate judgement and see what Rutherford does. I hope to god he has a plan. It's a change in philosophy from everything that made Pittsburgh successful these two seasons. It blows dick like retard steel.


Ok...whatever, dude. Just because speed and skill is the mantra doesn't mean every single player has to be a clone.

This ownership and FO has shown absolutely zero tendency to be like past ownership and tear apart a winning team, and I do not see a trade down 20 draft slots and parting with a marginal prospect for one enforcer/solid defensive offensiveman who costs only $1 M as the beginning of this happening. Or that Rutherford has suddenly gotten stupid.

As Donnie pointed out, the ONLY downside of this deal is we shorted ourselves a center...an area where we may very well be thin after FA.

So I'm not calling it the steal of all time, but neither is it a huge backtrack from what got us there.

Again...FO gets the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise with results on the ice.

Your post otherwise was ridiculous. There's plenty of spectrum between "best deal of all time" and "sucks ass".

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:27 pm 
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fractalsteel wrote:
Come on Hack this trade isn't the beginning to the end for the Penguins.
Did they over pay? You bet and when you consider what the Pens gave up for Kessel this trade is even more lopsided but not in their favor.
This also means that Kunitz is sayonara which should thrill you.

I'm going to wait and see what Reaves does in a Penguin uniform then we can trash him or Rutherford or we can be surprised maybe happily so.


I actually thought they gave up more to get Kessel than this, but of course I wasn't expecting Kessel to give us as much as he has. I wanted defense back when they got him.

But whatever...Hacksaw thinking this trade is the start of the Penguins losing their identity is just stupid.

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 Post subject: Re: Ryan Reaves
PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:54 pm 
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Donnie Brasco wrote:
Fs beat me to this. Reeves is essentially Kunitz replacement at a far far lower cost and an upgrade in the skating department

What I don’t like about the trade is that we gave up sunny. Not saying he is going to amount to much but we are EXTREMELY thin at C. Realize moves are to be made but we've now lost 3 centers :bones, sunny and Cullen. Knowing that Centers have significant value I'm not sure how we're going to address that easily

Jimmy is just getting started - I like #75 Mean Ryan Reaves.


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