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 Post subject: Re: Game 122: Pirates vs. Cardinals
PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:07 pm 
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Bling Collector Ben wrote:
Not directed at any particular poster, but here's something to ponder.

Let's say you attend 2 Pirate games per month, or maybe 12 over the entire season.
Let's assume your average cost, all in (tickets, food, parking, gas, souvenirs), is $200 per game.
That is $2,400 per year in after-tax entertainment money.
That is $4,000 or more, given your tax bracket, to gross enough to clear or net $2,400.

So, if you gross $100/hour, you work 40 hours per year for Bob Nutting. If you gross $50/hour, you work 2 weeks per year for the Nut.
If you gross $25/hour you work a month for the Nut.

Some will say they only attend 6 games a season or spend less money than $200. Fine. Just cut my numbers in half and you still must work one week if you make $50/hour to pay the Nut, or two weeks if you make $25/hour to pay the Nut. Who's really the Nut in all this?


This is absurd. He is a shitty owner. But the notion that going to baseball game is a direct donation to Bob Nutting is ludicrous. The biggest benefactor from discretionary spending on entertainment regardless of what it is is probably the local and state governments that tack on all sorts of fee and entertainment taxes on top of the regular sales taxes that are already in place. And then they get to collect tax on what profits actually do make it into the pockets of the owner. Most of that $200 you mention doesn't make anywhere near the Pirates pockets. Gas and Parking...uhhh no. Concessions mostly go to the concessionaires. The team gets less than 50% of the split. Even the price of ticket is loaded with fees and taxes and such so that a large chunk of it goes to someone other than the team.

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 Post subject: Re: Game 122: Pirates vs. Cardinals
PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:42 pm 
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This is absurd. He is a shitty owner. But the notion that going to baseball game is a direct donation to Bob Nutting is ludicrous. The biggest benefactor from discretionary spending on entertainment regardless of what it is is probably the local and state governments that tack on all sorts of fee and entertainment taxes on top of the regular sales taxes that are already in place. And then they get to collect tax on what profits actually do make it into the pockets of the owner. Most of that $200 you mention doesn't make anywhere near the Pirates pockets. Gas and Parking...uhhh no. Concessions mostly go to the concessionaires. The team gets less than 50% of the split. Even the price of ticket is loaded with fees and taxes and such so that a large chunk of it goes to someone other than the team.


1. Absurd was your ongoing defense of Bob Nutting until he dumped Frankie to Toronto about a year ago. His priority wasn't to improve the team for a playoff run by trading two top prospects for better help. His priority was putting $ into his wallet which is and always will be his preference. NH said the throw in (Drew Hutchinson) would start in 2017 for the Pirates and that we'd use the financial flexibility to improve the team in 2017. The Cubs decline this year surely did put a damper on all that good spin about saving that money for the future (which never does seem to come, now does it). The only hope for this team is that enough wunderkinds some day make the team and then gel at the same time. Even then it will be a small window because by the time they need to get paid a year or two later Nutting will dump them.

2. My earlier post specifically said that the $200 went for various sources and I never said it all went into Nutting's wallet permanently. What I said, to refresh your recollection, is that people work part of their jobs for Bob Nutting. Why? Because fan X doesn't decide to pay $200 because his primary goal is to subsidize the peanut vendor or to give more money for fees and taxes to the government for roads, schools, etc.. Fan X's primary goal is to go see the Pirates play. That decision drives the revenue machine to which you refer, and without that primary decision Bob Nutting would get nothing from fan X nor would the government and vendors get whatever % of the $200 they are now getting.

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 Post subject: Re: Game 122: Pirates vs. Cardinals
PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:16 am 
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Try to spin it how you want. It is still absurd. People that spend their hard earned dolllars to enjoy some form of entertainment are doing it for the own fucking enjoyment. There is no other way to look at it that makes sense.

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