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 Post subject: Don't Know Shit About Hockey, but....
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:02 pm 
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I know much of the season is remaining, but not feeling it for a Threepeat, or even close, this year.

I think we simply lost too many important components, most significantly, our #3 & #4 centers.

Puckheads agree?


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 Post subject: Re: Don't Know Shit About Hockey, but....
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:25 pm 
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few things more than likely contributing...Stanley cup hangover...your goaltending last season was off the charts...kunitz was a loss on and off the ice, and he had great chemistry with crosby...winning with the collection of defenders the pens had last season still baffles me today, and imo that had a lot to do with the off the charts goaltending that i referenced above...perhaps tocchet on the asst coaching side...had a great rapport with the players especially kessel not that klessel has been bad


edit forgot about bonino and Cullen as well...theres the answer right there..you guys got great goaltending and had really good depth...not rollin out 4 really good offensive lines any more


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 Post subject: Re: Don't Know Shit About Hockey, but....
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:07 pm 
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I'm hopeful they get shit together as season goes on.. maybe a trade or two that add to the cause!!


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 Post subject: Re: Don't Know Shit About Hockey, but....
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I don’t know shit about hockey either...but let me just say that at this point in the past two seasons, it didn’t feel like there were Cups in the future either.
Long way to go and a lot of moves to/can be made...just saying.

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 Post subject: Re: Don't Know Shit About Hockey, but....
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Jobus Rum wrote:
I don’t know shit about hockey either...but let me just say that at this point in the past two seasons, it didn’t feel like there were Cups in the future either.
Long way to go and a lot of moves to/can be made...just saying.

most definitely...


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 Post subject: Re: Don't Know Shit About Hockey, but....
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:54 pm 
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Lots of similar complaints at the same exact time last year. Not concerned...yet


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 Post subject: Re: Don't Know Shit About Hockey, but....
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Donnie Brasco wrote:
Lots of similar complaints at the same exact time last year. Not concerned...yet


I usually don't watch much hockey until football's over. Not so this year with my nhl.tv subscription....maybe that explains my outlook.


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 Post subject: Re: Don't Know Shit About Hockey, but....
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:45 pm 
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swissvale72 wrote:
Donnie Brasco wrote:
Lots of similar complaints at the same exact time last year. Not concerned...yet


I usually don't watch much hockey until football's over. Not so this year with my nhl.tv subscription....maybe that explains my outlook.


Yeah, this is very much a "wait and see" team. There will be some moves made to address some issues, particularly the center position. Goal is to just stay in the hunt for the first half of the season, then get their together for a run during the second half.

I definitely think they'll be more competitive during the second half. Will it be enough? Who knows? The way I look at is we're pretty much playing with house money at this point. So if we don't hit that upswing, that's fine. It almost feels greedy asking for more.


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 Post subject: Re: Don't Know Shit About Hockey, but....
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lol, Chris Kunitz


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 Post subject: Re: Don't Know Shit About Hockey, but....
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I don't remember them being so crappy 5 on 5 last year or so badly defensively for long stretches.

I haven't seen a consistent effort from nearly every player on the roster. Even Rust who was a stalwart early has regressed the last month.
Murray wasn't as good either and that is part on him and his glove weakness and crap defense around him and from the forwards.

This team knows what it takes to win the Stanley cup. That is part of the battle.
Remember when the Pens won in 2009 and we thought there would be more and right away? I have this notion that that squad didn't want to put forth the effort to win championships following back to back cup finals. Then came Sullivan and he was the answer in part for that. I know that injuries sabotaged a few seasons so that was a factor as well.

These guys know what it takes and I'm hoping they are just putting forth enough to hang close and when the second half gets going they will put forth a better effort.
I have my doubts though.

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 Post subject: Re: Don't Know Shit About Hockey, but....
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fractalsteel wrote:
I don't remember them being so crappy 5 on 5 last year or so badly defensively for long stretches.

I haven't seen a consistent effort from nearly every player on the roster.


If you didn't get the CBC feed, they actually asked Sully about last years Pens team.

I'm paraphrasing, but this was Sully's response:

"Last year we were uneven but goaltending saved us from falling behind the pack
This year we're uneven as well, but the PP saved us from falling behind"

But this team last year got outshot on a consistent basis...sometimes outchanced too but MAF and MM bailed their asses out

This year: Well the Niemi games really pushed their 5 v 5 stats way back. MM had a couple of stinkers too.

The good thing is the stuff I'm seeing is correctable: they are missing switches and coverages in the Dzone
the bad thing is that it's the same problem I see with my 5th grade daughter's bball team. This type of stuff shouldn't be happening on such a consistent basis at the NHL level.


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 Post subject: Re: Don't Know Shit About Hockey, but....
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One thing about hockey, if you're 8th place or better at the end of March, you still have a chance. It's the one sport where the higher seeds aren't as certain to win.


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 Post subject: Re: Don't Know Shit About Hockey, but....
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Donnie Brasco wrote:
fractalsteel wrote:
I don't remember them being so crappy 5 on 5 last year or so badly defensively for long stretches.

I haven't seen a consistent effort from nearly every player on the roster.


If you didn't get the CBC feed, they actually asked Sully about last years Pens team.

I'm paraphrasing, but this was Sully's response:

"Last year we were uneven but goaltending saved us from falling behind the pack
This year we're uneven as well, but the PP saved us from falling behind"

But this team last year got outshot on a consistent basis...sometimes outchanced too but MAF and MM bailed their asses out

This year: Well the Niemi games really pushed their 5 v 5 stats way back. MM had a couple of stinkers too.

The good thing is the stuff I'm seeing is correctable: they are missing switches and coverages in the Dzone
the bad thing is that it's the same problem I see with my 5th grade daughter's bball team. This type of stuff shouldn't be happening on such a consistent basis at the NHL level.


I don't remember them playing behind so much last year as this year. They play in a deficit far too often and the early goals allowed have been a thorn in their thigh.

As to the bolded-line changes have been a problem all year. Agree about the switches and covering in a smart manner in the DZ. When you don't move your feet and don't close off space(s) you see what the Pens have been to this point defensively.

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 Post subject: Re: Don't Know Shit About Hockey, but....
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:57 pm 
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I have faith in Sully.

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 Post subject: Re: Don't Know Shit About Hockey, but....
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Obviously wrote:
I have faith in Sully.


He is part of the problem.

The team comes out flat nearly every game.
The haven't solved the 5 on 5 problem.
Line changes have been sloppy and have led to odd chances and easy goals.
The bottom 6 isn't very good and that is in part to the off season and no moves being made.
If I'm Sully I go to Rutherford and tell him to get rid of Reaves. Nothing against the player or guy but he isn't a fit on this team. Maybe move Simon up full time and onto the bottom 6. He would bring a talent upgrade to that part of the roster.

There is blame to go all around. Everyone to this point(sans a player or two here) has been below the line.

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 Post subject: Re: Don't Know Shit About Hockey, but....
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:57 am 
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fractalsteel wrote:
Obviously wrote:
I have faith in Sully.


He is part of the problem.

The team comes out flat nearly every game.
The haven't solved the 5 on 5 problem.
Line changes have been sloppy and have led to odd chances and easy goals.
The bottom 6 isn't very good and that is in part to the off season and no moves being made.
If I'm Sully I go to Rutherford and tell him to get rid of Reaves. Nothing against the player or guy but he isn't a fit on this team. Maybe move Simon up full time and onto the bottom 6. He would bring a talent upgrade to that part of the roster.

There is blame to go all around. Everyone to this point(sans a player or two here) has been below the line.


Yeah, he was fun to watch when I was in da house against Nashville....but really hasn't done shit.


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