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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Jackets 12-21-17
PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:02 pm 
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Letang’s move was siiiiick


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Jackets 12-21-17
PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:41 pm 
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Orangesteel wrote:
Letang’s move was siiiiick

He has always had great moves - I liked #6 too.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Jackets 12-21-17
PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:52 pm 
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Malkin, Crosby, Kessel, Letang is how you line up a shootout. Well done all around.

This team's gonna be just fine.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Jackets 12-21-17
PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:07 am 
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Orangesteel wrote:
Letang’s move was siiiiick


And it was just a few short weeks ago that we were bitching about Letang on the shootout. Of course, bitching was premised on his being ahead of Kessel in the order....wasn't the case tonight. Interesting, both Letang and Malkin, presumed secondary to Kessel and Sid, bagged their shots.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Jackets 12-21-17
PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:17 am 
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swissvale72 wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:
Letang’s move was siiiiick


And it was just a few short weeks ago that we were bitching about Letang on the shootout. Of course, bitching was premised on his being ahead of Kessel in the order....wasn't the case tonight. Interesting, both Letang and Malkin, presumed secondary to Kessel and Sid, bagged their shots.


That was me and I kinda chuckled when Kessel was 3rd. At that moment I said to myself: I think it's a toss up between Letang and Kessel here

Reason being is that Letang seemed to have his head on straight this game- he had a solid performance the past few games. Much much different guy than we saw a month ago. I really think Sully needs to approach it like this:

Letang having a good game: he goes 3rd in the SO
Letang having a bad game: he goes after Kessel

Because beyond those top 4, who else is a good shootout guy? I can't speak to Guentzel or Sheary. Maybe they opt for Sheahan bc I know he's got a good shot, but he hasn't used it. Perhaps Simon? Idk much about their shootout prowess.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Jackets 12-21-17
PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:45 am 
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First off, I don't get this preoccupation with the shootout. It happens so rarely.
More pissed that little ant Panarin tied it up.

I thought Malkin might have played his best overall game of the season. He was an animal around the net and made a lot of defensive plays. Add in a goal and he was really good.
Crosby was very physical as well and gave Jones a good run there when the two teams collided in the second.

Oleksiak looked alright for the most part and good others. Had 5 hits and he can skate for a big guy. He really didn't see any time on the PK but you have to wonder if that is because of his lack of time with the team.

Good solid win though they gave up a lead again. Special teams giveth and taketh.

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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Jackets 12-21-17
PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:18 am 
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fractalsteel wrote:
First off, I don't get this preoccupation with the shootout. It happens so rarely.


Yeah, people get hung up on the dumbest things, I swear.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Jackets 12-21-17
PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:00 pm 
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
fractalsteel wrote:
First off, I don't get this preoccupation with the shootout. It happens so rarely.


Yeah, people get hung up on the dumbest things, I swear.


Have you not seen the discussion on the Steelers forum about "attention to detail/contingencies"?

So "I don't get this preoccupation with replay...it happens so rarely" is an appropriate response? Remember the finals game vs Nashville where there was an offsides by the Preds player and our video coach was all over it and successfully challenged? Game could have went the other way easily.

And here we have a DIVISIONAL GAME where the Pens are floundering in the standings and would have dropped further behind the Metro. Yet the response is "it's just a point, who cares"

Yea all those extra points could come back to haunt this team and the scoffing about not maximizing your position is confounding.

But yes let's not worry about the details or anything like that...sounds like Mike Tomlin at his finest moments.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Jackets 12-21-17
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fractalsteel wrote:
First off, I don't get this preoccupation with the shootout. It happens so rarely.
More pissed that little ant Panarin tied it up.

I thought Malkin might have played his best overall game of the season. He was an animal around the net and made a lot of defensive plays. Add in a goal and he was really good.
Crosby was very physical as well and gave Jones a good run there when the two teams collided in the second.

Oleksiak looked alright for the most part and good others. Had 5 hits and he can skate for a big guy. He really didn't see any time on the PK but you have to wonder if that is because of his lack of time with the team.

Good solid win though they gave up a lead again. Special teams giveth and taketh.


Another game with not another 5 vs 5 goal

I think Cbus was dumb in terms of trying to start hitting guys...they never learn their lesson- it woke Sid and Co up big time. Feel like this could get them out of their funk and start pressing on the gas and gaining some confidence

I think Olek looked fine for his first game. I just want him to turn into a reliable 5/6/7 Dman and I think he's capable.


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 Post subject: Re: Pens vs Jackets 12-21-17
PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:56 pm 
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Donnie Brasco wrote:
Louis Lipps Service wrote:
fractalsteel wrote:
First off, I don't get this preoccupation with the shootout. It happens so rarely.


Yeah, people get hung up on the dumbest things, I swear.


Have you not seen the discussion on the Steelers forum about "attention to detail/contingencies"?

So "I don't get this preoccupation with replay...it happens so rarely" is an appropriate response? Remember the finals game vs Nashville where there was an offsides by the Preds player and our video coach was all over it and successfully challenged? Game could have went the other way easily.

And here we have a DIVISIONAL GAME where the Pens are floundering in the standings and would have dropped further behind the Metro. Yet the response is "it's just a point, who cares"

Yea all those extra points could come back to haunt this team and the scoffing about not maximizing your position is confounding.

But yes let's not worry about the details or anything like that...sounds like Mike Tomlin at his finest moments.


I get what you’re trying to get at with the replay example, but I really think that’s a totally different matter. I think most anti-replay people know calls are going to be missed and would be willing to live with it.

To your bigger point, yes coaches should absolutely be paying attention to details, and yes they matter to some extent. What I find ridiculous is fans being so adamantly favored to one side of such arguments to these marginal situations when such fans inherently have very little information as to why those decisions were made in the first place.

Coaches make these decisions based on things they see every single day, and with obscene amounts of data that would make our heads spin. Yet I remember you argued with me for multiple pages insisting that Kessel was the clear choice over Letang based on a couple games you watch every few days.

That’s what I find to be stupid. Yes, on some level it makes a difference, and yes the coaches should be paying attention to that, but with the limited information us fans, and the very limited impact it actually has, I have no idea how someone could THAT adamant arguing one side or the other when you have no idea if you’re actually right or not.

It’s an argument with zero payoff.


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