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Anyone else disgusted by the unseemly video of the douchebags, both sides of the aisle, in Congress...toasting themselves for voting to open the government again?


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Anyone else disgusted by the unseemly video of the douchebags, both sides of the aisle, in Congress...toasting themselves for voting to open the government again?


Shit like this is a significant part of why a guy like Trump gets into office. He promised to burn the establishment down, and that's really what a large portion of the voter base wants. Someone to put the fear of God into congress. And it's why Trump supporters continue to support him in the face of the disaster he's creating. He's creating outrage and chaos in a system they no longer support, and they absolutely love it.

And I don't disagree with the sentiment. Current state of our government is infuriating to me. Now, obviously, you want a better person to do that dismantling. But, well, here we are.


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Can you site some specific examples of "disaster" that's being created?

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This thread has zero shot of not getting locked. Until it does I'll grab my popcorn....

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Can you site some specific examples of "disaster" that's being created?
Regardless of how you define "disaster," suffice it to say that his approval ratings are in the toilet amongst the entire country, not just the 26% of the voting public that voted for him. So it seems the majority of the country isn't too thrilled with him or his policies. And the rest of the civilized world doesn't think so highly of him or his policies either. Call it fake news if you like.

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Can you site some specific examples of "disaster" that's being created?
Regardless of how you define "disaster," suffice it to say that his approval ratings are in the toilet amongst the entire country, not just the 26% of the voting public that voted for him. So it seems the majority of the country isn't too thrilled with him or his policies. And the rest of the civilized world doesn't think so highly of him or his policies either. Call it fake news if you like.


I get that he's not likeable. He tweets non-stop. He says inflammatory things regularly. But outside of his crude demeanor, I just wonder what fuels the "sky is falling" crowd. If you really look, you'll see more progress with his fingerprints on than disasters.


Edit: Swiss, you are the king of starting non-political, political threads. People like Cor-Ten and I cannot help but take the bait. Might as well.........

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If you really look, you'll see more progress with his fingerprints on than disasters.
That is subject to interpretation. I won't get into it here, or now. But disaster or progress is defined differently for the left and right.

At least we're keeping this civil, right?

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If you really look, you'll see more progress with his fingerprints on than disasters.
That is subject to interpretation. I won't get into it here, or now. But disaster or progress is defined differently for the left and right.

At least we're keeping this civil, right?


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R S wrote:
COR-TEN wrote:
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If you really look, you'll see more progress with his fingerprints on than disasters.
That is subject to interpretation. I won't get into it here, or now. But disaster or progress is defined differently for the left and right.

At least we're keeping this civil, right?


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I have voted for both sides. The sad thing is, it doesn't really matter who is in office. Our country is changing daily and I think it's getting worse and it doesn't matter if Hillary, Obama, or Trump is in office. The wheels for today started spinning decades ago and there is no going back.

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R S wrote:
COR-TEN wrote:
R S wrote:
Can you site some specific examples of "disaster" that's being created?
Regardless of how you define "disaster," suffice it to say that his approval ratings are in the toilet amongst the entire country, not just the 26% of the voting public that voted for him. So it seems the majority of the country isn't too thrilled with him or his policies. And the rest of the civilized world doesn't think so highly of him or his policies either. Call it fake news if you like.


I get that he's not likeable. He tweets non-stop. He says inflammatory things regularly. But outside of his crude demeanor, I just wonder what fuels the "sky is falling" crowd. If you really look, you'll see more progress with his fingerprints on than disasters.


Edit: Swiss, you are the king of starting non-political, political threads. People like Cor-Ten and I cannot help but take the bait. Might as well.........

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It starts with the premise, RS, that they're all full of shit....I just think it's maddening that these fuckers in Congress....Dems and GOPers alike.....
*Have the fuckin' nerve to break out champagne and toast themselves for re-opening an enterprise that should never, ever, ever stop functioning.
*Go on vacation for weeks at a time, leaving their work unfinished regularly.
*Think they're in some goddamn highfalutin brotherhood or sisterhood....and this happens on the state level as well.

In sum, fuck those bitches. Do the shit you're supposed to do, and stop the self-congratulatory back-slapping and self-promoting.


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Can't agree anymore with Swiss. These idiots enjoy sniffing their own farts

Things I'd change immediately :

-congress /prez / senators are paid $1
- furthermore their benefits should not be exempt from obamacare
- cannot administer raises for themselves
- drug testing


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...an enterprise that should never, ever, ever stop functioning


"Functioning" is a generous, relative term. And only like 1/8th of the govt we could probably get by without actually stopped working (for part of 1 whole day).

I don't disagree with the sentiment of this thread, but at this point you surely must realize that "shutdowns" are mostly a dog-n-pony show to point fingers for political gain?

And if you continue to vote for incumbents then, well, you're partly to blame.

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Donnie Brasco wrote:
Can't agree anymore with Swiss. These idiots enjoy sniffing their own farts

Things I'd change immediately :

-congress /prez / senators are paid $1
- furthermore their benefits should not be exempt from obamacare
- cannot administer raises for themselves
- drug testing



Ok, so if they were paid $1 you'd either have a Senate and Congress packed with independently wealthy men that don't need any money, or you'd have even more money kickbacks so they can afford to live in one of the most expensive areas in the nation.

I advocate for term limits. When a congressman or senator has been around for a couple decades you start having these narcissistic moments like cracking champagne for doing the very minimal requirements of your job.

It just seems to me that term limits would solve a lot of the problems swiss has with the governing bodies.

I imagine the longstanding politicians would explain that if there was a 4 or 8 year term limit you'd constantly have new officials pouring in that didn't know how to govern...yada yada yada

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R S wrote:
Donnie Brasco wrote:
Can't agree anymore with Swiss. These idiots enjoy sniffing their own farts

Things I'd change immediately :

-congress /prez / senators are paid $1
- furthermore their benefits should not be exempt from obamacare
- cannot administer raises for themselves
- drug testing



Ok, so if they were paid $1 you'd either have a Senate and Congress packed with independently wealthy men that don't need any money, or you'd have even more money kickbacks so they can afford to live in one of the most expensive areas in the nation.

I advocate for term limits. When a congressman or senator has been around for a couple decades you start having these narcissistic moments like cracking champagne for doing the very minimal requirements of your job.

It just seems to me that term limits would solve a lot of the problems swiss has with the governing bodies.

I imagine the longstanding politicians would explain that if there was a 4 or 8 year term limit you'd constantly have new officials pouring in that didn't know how to govern...yada yada yada


I'm down for term limits as well

Back to the salaries. My premise has always been: name me 1 Prez/Congressman/Senator that isn't ALREADY wealthy before they took this position.

They all come from money and they come TO DC for the added power and ego trip


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Donnie Brasco wrote:
Can't agree anymore with Swiss. These idiots enjoy sniffing their own farts

Things I'd change immediately :

-congress /prez / senators are paid $1
- furthermore their benefits should not be exempt from obamacare
- cannot administer raises for themselves
- drug testing


Standard GS pay like it use to be..
Same benefits and laws that we all follow..
Term limits..with limited retirements..
Unlawful to go within 200 yards of a lobbyist
annual in depth dives into financials, to insure your not back dooring the system / people you serve.


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Donnie Brasco wrote:
R S wrote:
Donnie Brasco wrote:
Can't agree anymore with Swiss. These idiots enjoy sniffing their own farts

Things I'd change immediately :

-congress /prez / senators are paid $1
- furthermore their benefits should not be exempt from obamacare
- cannot administer raises for themselves
- drug testing



Ok, so if they were paid $1 you'd either have a Senate and Congress packed with independently wealthy men that don't need any money, or you'd have even more money kickbacks so they can afford to live in one of the most expensive areas in the nation.

I advocate for term limits. When a congressman or senator has been around for a couple decades you start having these narcissistic moments like cracking champagne for doing the very minimal requirements of your job.

It just seems to me that term limits would solve a lot of the problems swiss has with the governing bodies.

I imagine the longstanding politicians would explain that if there was a 4 or 8 year term limit you'd constantly have new officials pouring in that didn't know how to govern...yada yada yada


I'm down for term limits as well

Back to the salaries. My premise has always been: name me 1 Prez/Congressman/Senator that isn't ALREADY wealthy before they took this position.

They all come from money and they come TO DC for the added power and ego trip


Keep the salaries where they are ($175k isn't really that much in DC dollars, frankly. At least not considering the position). The real solution is stop all other OTHER, under the table, bullshit that goes on. Lobbyists, bribes, etc, etc. Put a stop to all that so they can have some semblance of the voter's interest dictating their actions instead of auctioning votes to the highest bidder.

Absolutely agree on the term limits. Limit the good ol' boy network.


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I'm down for term limits as well

Back to the salaries. My premise has always been: name me 1 Prez/Congressman/Senator that isn't ALREADY wealthy before they took this position.

They all come from money and they come TO DC for the added power and ego trip
Believe it or not, there are civil servants and elected officials that genuinely want to help governance and do positive things for society. Fame, fortune, and power isn't the only driving force to engage with government. Circumstance has a lot to do with why shit is shit, and the left and right have been artificially congealed into two entities that simply can't, or more accurately won't, mix or compromise.

But I know that means nothing to conservatives and the meme that ALL government officials are scamming the system in the "swamp" and that government is inherently bad. I'm guessing conservatives would do away with government altogether and just install a "leader" with more control than the other branches of government. Dick Cheney wanted to give the prez more power, overriding the constitution, because he felt Nixon was shafted. Add Rog Stone to that list.

If you had an effective manager that keeps the company running efficiently, why would you want to fire them?Corruption and complacency happens everywhere, not just government. But I agree there should be some kind of metric that can be used in terminating someones term and remove the fame fortune and power motivator from the equation. Term limits on the surface sound good, but it would effectively put the handbrake on government when inexperienced managers take their entire term just to figure out what the fuck is going on. Nothing would get done, and if it did, it would be without pause or prudence.

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Donnie Brasco wrote:
R S wrote:
Donnie Brasco wrote:
Can't agree anymore with Swiss. These idiots enjoy sniffing their own farts

Things I'd change immediately :

-congress /prez / senators are paid $1
- furthermore their benefits should not be exempt from obamacare
- cannot administer raises for themselves
- drug testing



Ok, so if they were paid $1 you'd either have a Senate and Congress packed with independently wealthy men that don't need any money, or you'd have even more money kickbacks so they can afford to live in one of the most expensive areas in the nation.

I advocate for term limits. When a congressman or senator has been around for a couple decades you start having these narcissistic moments like cracking champagne for doing the very minimal requirements of your job.

It just seems to me that term limits would solve a lot of the problems swiss has with the governing bodies.

I imagine the longstanding politicians would explain that if there was a 4 or 8 year term limit you'd constantly have new officials pouring in that didn't know how to govern...yada yada yada


I'm down for term limits as well

Back to the salaries. My premise has always been: name me 1 Prez/Congressman/Senator that isn't ALREADY wealthy before they took this position.

They all come from money and they come TO DC for the added power and ego trip


I don't have the time or energy to look up the backgrounds of officials but i would wager that a majority of Senators and congressman would not have been able to work for free when they started out.

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COR-TEN wrote:
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I'm down for term limits as well

Back to the salaries. My premise has always been: name me 1 Prez/Congressman/Senator that isn't ALREADY wealthy before they took this position.

They all come from money and they come TO DC for the added power and ego trip
Believe it or not, there are civil servants and elected officials that genuinely want to help governance and do positive things for society. Fame, fortune, and power isn't the only driving force to engage with government. Circumstance has a lot to do with why shit is shit, and the left and right have been artificially congealed into two entities that simply can't, or more accurately won't, mix or compromise.

But I know that means nothing to conservatives and the meme that ALL government officials are scamming the system in the "swamp" and that government is inherently bad. I'm guessing conservatives would do away with government altogether and just install a "leader" with more control than the other branches of government. Dick Cheney wanted to give the prez more power, overriding the constitution, because he felt Nixon was shafted. Add Rog Stone to that list.

If you had an effective manager that keeps the company running efficiently, why would you want to fire them?Corruption and complacency happens everywhere, not just government. But I agree there should be some kind of metric that can be used in terminating someones term and remove the fame fortune and power motivator from the equation. Term limits on the surface sound good, but it would effectively put the handbrake on government when inexperienced managers take their entire term just to figure out what the fuck is going on. Nothing would get done, and if it did, it would be without pause or prudence.


If the term limits are sensible that would't be an issue. I agree 4 or 8 years is too short. But having people in Congress for 20+ is a problem. And honestly, I'm not sure if the number of years is the problem as much as the re-elections themselves. These congressmen make decisions not necessarily on what is in the best interest of all their constituents as much as what they can do to fire up their base for purpose of reelection. Two terms in the senate is 12 years. That is plenty long enough. And the way Senate seats are staggered in elections the turnover from term limits would not be so high as to have too much inexperience in office. For the House, lengthening terms to 4 years with a 2 term limit seems ok to me. But if you want to make it 3x4 for 12 years like the senate I would be ok with that too.

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If the term limits are sensible that would't be an issue. I agree 4 or 8 years is too short. But having people in Congress for 20+ is a problem. And honestly, I'm not sure if the number of years is the problem as much as the re-elections themselves. These congressmen make decisions not necessarily on what is in the best interest of all their constituents as much as what they can do to fire up their base for purpose of reelection. Two terms in the senate is 12 years. That is plenty long enough. And the way Senate seats are staggered in elections the turnover from term limits would not be so high as to have too much inexperience in office. For the House, lengthening terms to 4 years with a 2 term limit seems ok to me. But if you want to make it 3x4 for 12 years like the senate I would be ok with that too.


Speaking of elections, if you want to give the little guy a chance of actually winning one, the whole election process needs streamlined to help nullify the enormous advantages the already wealthy candidates have.

Eliminate candidate advertising, put them on televised, publicly sponsored debates, make a website where all the candidates public office records are easily available and compatible, complete with criminal backgrounds, tax returns (mandated), etc, etc. Basically, make as much information as publicly available, for free, give them an opportunity to showcare their debating skills, then leave it up to the voters.

The spending on campaigns has gotten completely out of control and eliminates the non-rich from contention right off the bat (or, worse, forces them to take the corporate hand outs to fund their campaign).

The added benefit is that a first term president then doesn't have to spend 6 months of his presidency campaigning for his second term. He/she can show up to the couple of pre-scheduled debates and the process takes care of the rest.


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If the term limits are sensible that would't be an issue. I agree 4 or 8 years is too short. But having people in Congress for 20+ is a problem. And honestly, I'm not sure if the number of years is the problem as much as the re-elections themselves. These congressmen make decisions not necessarily on what is in the best interest of all their constituents as much as what they can do to fire up their base for purpose of reelection. Two terms in the senate is 12 years. That is plenty long enough. And the way Senate seats are staggered in elections the turnover from term limits would not be so high as to have too much inexperience in office. For the House, lengthening terms to 4 years with a 2 term limit seems ok to me. But if you want to make it 3x4 for 12 years like the senate I would be ok with that too.


Speaking of elections, if you want to give the little guy a chance of actually winning one, the whole election process needs streamlined to help nullify the enormous advantages the already wealthy candidates have.

Eliminate candidate advertising, put them on televised, publicly sponsored debates, make a website where all the candidates public office records are easily available and compatible, complete with criminal backgrounds, tax returns (mandated), etc, etc. Basically, make as much information as publicly available, for free, give them an opportunity to showcare their debating skills, then leave it up to the voters.

The spending on campaigns has gotten completely out of control and eliminates the non-rich from contention right off the bat (or, worse, forces them to take the corporate hand outs to fund their campaign).

The added benefit is that a first term president then doesn't have to spend 6 months of his presidency campaigning for his second term. He/she can show up to the couple of pre-scheduled debates and the process takes care of the rest.


I don't disagree. The deck shouldn't be so stacked against 3rd party and independents either. The majority of the voters in country are actually in the middle/moderates. I believe independents even out number affiliated Democrats and Republicans. Yet the polar ends of two major parties are what steers the party's platforms and thus nearly all of Congress. And thus the reason we have so much partisanship and little ability or even desire by those in Congress to compromise on anything.

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SteelPro wrote:
Louis Lipps Service wrote:
SteelPro wrote:
If the term limits are sensible that would't be an issue. I agree 4 or 8 years is too short. But having people in Congress for 20+ is a problem. And honestly, I'm not sure if the number of years is the problem as much as the re-elections themselves. These congressmen make decisions not necessarily on what is in the best interest of all their constituents as much as what they can do to fire up their base for purpose of reelection. Two terms in the senate is 12 years. That is plenty long enough. And the way Senate seats are staggered in elections the turnover from term limits would not be so high as to have too much inexperience in office. For the House, lengthening terms to 4 years with a 2 term limit seems ok to me. But if you want to make it 3x4 for 12 years like the senate I would be ok with that too.


Speaking of elections, if you want to give the little guy a chance of actually winning one, the whole election process needs streamlined to help nullify the enormous advantages the already wealthy candidates have.

Eliminate candidate advertising, put them on televised, publicly sponsored debates, make a website where all the candidates public office records are easily available and compatible, complete with criminal backgrounds, tax returns (mandated), etc, etc. Basically, make as much information as publicly available, for free, give them an opportunity to showcare their debating skills, then leave it up to the voters.

The spending on campaigns has gotten completely out of control and eliminates the non-rich from contention right off the bat (or, worse, forces them to take the corporate hand outs to fund their campaign).

The added benefit is that a first term president then doesn't have to spend 6 months of his presidency campaigning for his second term. He/she can show up to the couple of pre-scheduled debates and the process takes care of the rest.


I don't disagree. The deck shouldn't be so stacked against 3rd party and independents either. The majority of the voters in country are actually in the middle/moderates. I believe independents even out number affiliated Democrats and Republicans. Yet the polar ends of two major parties are what steers the party's platforms and thus nearly all of Congress. And thus the reason we have so much partisanship and little ability or even desire by those in Congress to compromise on anything.


Absolutely agree on that, as well.

My skin honestly crawls when people identify themselves by their party affiliation (example, my cousin loves to preface his views with "Listen, I'm a bleeding heart liberal..."). That's usually a pretty good indication he/she doesn't like thinking outside their party lines and is going to be way too biased in their views to ever consider an idea brought up by someone from across the aisle, or read an article from a source with differing views.

I personally love reading articles from sources I disagree with. I think perspective is a fantastic thing, and in the current media climate, I think the best way to attempt to discern the truth from a situation is to read material from all ends of the spectrum and formulate your own opinion. You also learn to better pick out what's bullshit and what's more likely to be true.

But too many people go to Fox News or CNN in the morning and get spoon fed articles that are almost guaranteed to align with their views and gain nothing.


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I'm down for term limits as well

Back to the salaries. My premise has always been: name me 1 Prez/Congressman/Senator that isn't ALREADY wealthy before they took this position.

They all come from money and they come TO DC for the added power and ego trip
Believe it or not, there are civil servants and elected officials that genuinely want to help governance and do positive things for society. Fame, fortune, and power isn't the only driving force to engage with government. Circumstance has a lot to do with why shit is shit, and the left and right have been artificially congealed into two entities that simply can't, or more accurately won't, mix or compromise.

But I know that means nothing to conservatives and the meme that ALL government officials are scamming the system in the "swamp" and that government is inherently bad. I'm guessing conservatives would do away with government altogether and just install a "leader" with more control than the other branches of government. Dick Cheney wanted to give the prez more power, overriding the constitution, because he felt Nixon was shafted. Add Rog Stone to that list.

If you had an effective manager that keeps the company running efficiently, why would you want to fire them?Corruption and complacency happens everywhere, not just government. But I agree there should be some kind of metric that can be used in terminating someones term and remove the fame fortune and power motivator from the equation. Term limits on the surface sound good, but it would effectively put the handbrake on government when inexperienced managers take their entire term just to figure out what the fuck is going on. Nothing would get done, and if it did, it would be without pause or prudence.


If the term limits are sensible that would't be an issue. I agree 4 or 8 years is too short. But having people in Congress for 20+ is a problem. And honestly, I'm not sure if the number of years is the problem as much as the re-elections themselves. These congressmen make decisions not necessarily on what is in the best interest of all their constituents as much as what they can do to fire up their base for purpose of reelection. Two terms in the senate is 12 years. That is plenty long enough. And the way Senate seats are staggered in elections the turnover from term limits would not be so high as to have too much inexperience in office. For the House, lengthening terms to 4 years with a 2 term limit seems ok to me. But if you want to make it 3x4 for 12 years like the senate I would be ok with that too.
I agree. But add gerrymandering to the list of corrections that need to be made.

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Anyone else disgusted by the unseemly video of the douchebags, both sides of the aisle, in Congress...toasting themselves for voting to open the government again?


I was way more annoyed with Tomlin's post-Jags-loss presser, where he toasted himself on great coaching and play calling.

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