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 Post subject: Goodell Announces New Domestic Violence Policy in Letter...
PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:43 pm 
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...to owners.

Waiting to find full text of letter, but highlights I can pick up through Twitter:

- Says he did not get it right with Ray Rice
- New policy is 6 games for first offense, lifetime ban for second

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 Post subject: OT - Ray Rice Rule
PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:53 pm 
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So the Ray Rice Fallout continues with a new domestic violence policy. Six games for 1st offense, lifetime ban for 2nd.


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Key phrase in new domestic violence policy sent to NFL owners: "These disciplinary consequences apply to all NFL personnel." ALL personnel.


So apparently knocking your fiancee unconscious and dragging her out of a casino elevator counts as 1/3 of a domestic violence offense.


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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:56 pm 
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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 23m
So the Ray Rice Fallout continues with a new domestic violence policy. Six games for 1st offense, lifetime ban for 2nd.


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Key phrase in new domestic violence policy sent to NFL owners: "These disciplinary consequences apply to all NFL personnel." ALL personnel.


So apparently knocking your fiancee unconscious and dragging her out of a casino elevator counts as 1/3 of a domestic violence offense.


Not to name posters here, but one in particular does not believe Rice assaulted his gf. No proof.

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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
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Wouldn't it be funny if Art 2 smacked Mrs. Art 2 on camera.


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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
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viewtopic.php?f=9&t=457

Posted pic of the relevant portion of the letter in that thread.

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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
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I personally think this is all nonsense, there should be no "conduct policy", it should be like any other sports league, I don't see the NBA, NHL or MLB suspending players for DUI or domestic violence. I see them suspending guys for PEDS, or IN GAME fights or violence (Except the NHL which encourages violence in games), but not for crimes committed outside of game or work time.


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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
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Nick79 wrote:
I personally think this is all nonsense, there should be no "conduct policy", it should be like any other sports league, I don't see the NBA, NHL or MLB suspending players for DUI or domestic violence. I see them suspending guys for PEDS, or IN GAME fights or violence (Except the NHL which encourages violence in games), but not for crimes committed outside of game or work time.


1. NFL is bigger and gets more publicity
2. NFL reaches a broader base
3. NFL needs to/wants expand; hockey, basketball, and baseball are already worldwide.
4. Just because others aren't doing it, doesn't mean the NFL is wrong

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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
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NFL domestic violence ban isn't really "lifetime." It's indefinite, players able to apply for reinstatement after 1 year. Like Josh Gordon.


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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
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SteelKnife wrote:
http://steelerfury.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=457

Posted pic of the relevant portion of the letter in that thread.


Oops, sorry, didn't see that before I posted. Oh well.


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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
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The Pierogi wrote:
SteelKnife wrote:
http://steelerfury.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=457

Posted pic of the relevant portion of the letter in that thread.


Oops, sorry, didn't see that before I posted. Oh well.


No problem. The subforum is brand new so I imagine not many noticed it yet. My not-so-subtle-way of pointing out its existence.

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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
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SteelKnife wrote:
Nick79 wrote:
I personally think this is all nonsense, there should be no "conduct policy", it should be like any other sports league, I don't see the NBA, NHL or MLB suspending players for DUI or domestic violence. I see them suspending guys for PEDS, or IN GAME fights or violence (Except the NHL which encourages violence in games), but not for crimes committed outside of game or work time.


1. NFL is bigger and gets more publicity
2. NFL reaches a broader base
3. NFL needs to/wants expand; hockey, basketball, and baseball are already worldwide.
4. Just because others aren't doing it, doesn't mean the NFL is wrong


IMO it's wrong! It's wrong because they get more publicity, It backfires on them. It puts misconduct front and center. They get bad publicity and instead of making it go away, they make it the centerpiece of their existance. It makes it appear that NFL players commit more crimes than other sports players or the rest of society in general, It creates an appearance that they have worse people then anybody else, in reality it isn't true, it hurts more than helps their own image to take the worst things that happen and make sure they get it out there so that everyody sees it and talks about it.

Expand? American Football will never get big worldwide, just the equipment you need to field a team would keep that from happenning. And people can't stand the constant stoppages and they increase those more every year on purpose, dumb asses that they are! It's an oddity, that's why Europeans look at it, a sideshow, it will never overcome soccer, or even basketball and hockey outside of the USA and maybe Canada.

Besides, do you know anyone that REALLY will quit watching or really has quit watching the NFL over "player conduct"?


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 Post subject: Re: Goodell Announces New Domestic Violence Policy in Letter
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If only there was some way Goodell could alter the length of Ray Rice's suspension (the one he just unilaterally levied as two games and the one that's been universally mocked for its absurd leniency) instead of just saying "We screwed up and Ray Rice got off way too easy. Oh well. We'll get it right next time one of our players beats a woman."


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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:27 pm 
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Not to name posters here, but one in particular does not believe Rice assaulted his gf. No proof.


That would be me. I have a hard time of thinking of an incident that requires no medical attention at all as an assault that left someone unconscious. His wife apologized for her role in the incident. The courts didn't think much of it either considering he was placed in a pretrial intervention program that will leave him with no record at all when completed.

I think the new rule is ridiculous...though I haven't read it in full. I can't see how it won't soon be applied to sexual assault...and every disappointed star fucker can get payback :lol:

Over 40% of viewers are now female. Over 70% of merchandising is female driven. The NFL is a dying whore....

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 Post subject: Re: Goodell Announces New Domestic Violence Policy in Letter
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NFL could just suspend Ray Rice (or whomever) for six games if it wants. Why does it need a specific policy, other than for PR?


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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:38 pm 
What's an "incident"?

Does that require a conviction? Charged filed?

I mean, technically, Ray Rice may not even fall under this rule, even though it was clearly created as a response to his actions.


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Crosby4Life wrote:
...it was clearly created as a response to his actions.


Everytime they put more stuff out there, they are marketing to the world, constantly all the bad things that they have done. They are making the average casual fan out on the street think that the NFL players are worse than the bloods and the crips, while other leagues that are ignoring these things, nobody notices their guys when they do bad things.


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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:44 pm 
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...it was clearly created as a response to his actions.


Everytime they put more stuff out there, they are marketing to the world, constantly all the bad things that they have done. They are making the average casual fan out on the street think that the NFL players are worse than the bloods and the crips, while other leagues that are ignoring these things, nobody notices their guys when they do bad things.



We're aware of your position on the matter.


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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
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Crosby4Life wrote:
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...it was clearly created as a response to his actions.


Everytime they put more stuff out there, they are marketing to the world, constantly all the bad things that they have done. They are making the average casual fan out on the street think that the NFL players are worse than the bloods and the crips, while other leagues that are ignoring these things, nobody notices their guys when they do bad things.



We're aware of your position on the matter.

Just pointing out that by creating new policies and sanctions, they are making themselves look worse, not better. You don't think any baseball players have punched their wives? I think the answer is yes, but you don't hear a lot about it because their own league and teams don't market the incidents like the NFL does.


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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
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Have to agree with Zivco & Nicky 79 on this one.

This is a business and the product is entertainment.

It is NOT nor should be the damn judicial system.

If some player beats his wife let the legal system that already exist handle if.

IF there is a pattern of bad behavior then have something in place to address it.

In most states, an accusation is enough to get the ball rolling in terms of domestic violence.

League just opened the door to all kinds of bogus & frivolous shit.

Catch your NFL boyfriend texting other women on his cell phone... Slap yourself and call 911. You just fucked up his world.

NFL is turning into a bad reality show.


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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
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On one hand, it's hard to argue with their position. On the other, DV is one of the murkiest & subjective areas to get involved in, especially if there's no charge or conviction. On the latter, a conviction (or 2nd one) would effectively take care of any "suspension" on its own.

The problem is - and keep in mind rape could/should fall under this purview - DV/rape allegations have a high degree of bullshit, especially DV. If the NFL is going to act outside the courts, as it did with a certain #7, then this is a pretty scary thing for a league full of young, single guys.

Understand I'm not making excuses or diminishing the seriousness of DV, but you are kind of putting a guy's career in the hands of a vindictive/scourned girlfriend. Young and dumb guys don't know or don't care to avoid the crazies.

This is the sort of thing only PIT foresaw when they declined (at least initially) to sign the CBA. The NFLPA has little to no ability to reign the faux morality whafting out of NY. NEVER should have signed-off on Roger's unilateral authority to issue discipline without a conviction, much less an arrest.

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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
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Domestic violence is a special sort of problem in sports and other places where the manperson starts making oodles of money,

And its worth millions to mrs. Punching bag for him to not be punished.


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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
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Crosby4Life wrote:
What's an "incident"?


Three times as bad as what Ray Rice did, apparently.


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 Post subject: Re: OT - Ray Rice Rule
PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:08 pm 
mick wrote:
Domestic violence is a special sort of problem in sports and other places where the manperson starts making oodles of money,

And its worth millions to mrs. Punching bag for him to not be punished.



And that's the gray area, here. Do you only punish those who are convicted? If so, you incidents like Ray Rice where something obviously happened, but you can't punish them, which sends a bad message.

On the other hand, you're going to have incidents similar to Ben's where you have accusations (I know his wasn't assault, but still), but not enough proof that actually happened.

Where do you make the line?


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mick wrote:
And its worth millions to mrs. Punching bag for him to not be punished.


That's only true when dealing with a "Mrs." and not an "ex-". In the latter case, it's worth millions to be paid to go away.

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