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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:18 pm 
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I know a couple people injured. They're going to be fine. The is nonsensical.

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Looks like (based on reports) this is another domestic terrorist in the making. Trained in law enforcement (security officer) turned isis sympathiser/murderer. Tragic.


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Fuck. Tragic.

Glad to hear everyone you know is physically ok. Emotionally is another story.

If you have any direct info about what happened, I'd love to hear it.

Fuck.

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From what I heard, they thought it was part of the music, until the music stopped. The guy just sprayed the crowd. 3 people I know through other people were hit.

Just tragic.

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I'm curious as to why there was a three hour delay before storming the building. I know they have to do recognizance to determine the facts on the ground, but three hours?

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I don't even know what to say anymore. I'm just so tired of all the violence and hate in the world. My son is 4 and still oblivious to all this horrible shit happening in the world and doesn't really understand the concept of death yet. Not sure how i'm going to explain it all when the day comes.

Prayers to all those affected.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayers for the victims of Pulse
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Steelafan77 wrote:
Looks like (based on reports) this is another domestic terrorist in the making. Trained in law enforcement (security officer) turned isis sympathiser/murderer. Tragic.


OMAR MIR SEDDIQUE MATEEN

Agreed, sounds Redneck, those fuckers. :roll:

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ORLANDO SHOOTER WORKED FOR SECURITY COMPANY WHICH TRANPORTS ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS DEEP lNSIDE THE US; Was Interviewed By FBI 3 Times

In a surprising discovery, the Palm Beach Post first reported that according to state records, Orlando shooter Omar Mateen - who as we reported earlier was licensed as a security guard and also holds a firearms license - was employed by the US subsidiary of G4S plc, a British multinational security services company, whose US-headquarters are located in Jupiter, Fla, and which also happens to be the world's largest security company by revenue.

Shortly thereafter, G4S confirmed that Omar Mateen has worked for the company since 2007. This is the statement released from G4S:

“We are shocked and saddened by the tragic event that occurred at the Orlando nightclub. We can confirm that Omar Mateen had been employed with G4S since September 10, 2007. We are cooperating fully with all law enforcement authorities, including the FBI, as they conduct their investigation. Our thoughts and prayers are with all of the friends, families and people affected by this unspeakable tragedy.”

In other words, Mateen who according to preliminary reports, had been on a terrorist watchlist, and who still managed to obtain weapons thanks to his various licenses and permits just last week, was employed by one of the world's largest security companies, where he may have had extensive clearances well above his pay grade, not to mention access to sophisticated military weapons and equipment.

But where it gets more disturbing is that as Judicial Watch reported several days ago, in a post titled, "DHS Quietly Moving, Releasing Vanloads Of Illegal Aliens Away From Border", border patrol sources said that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) was quietly transporting illegal immigrants from the Mexican border to Phoenix and releasing them without proper processing or issuing court appearance documents. As a reminder, the government classifies them as Other Than Mexican (OTM) and this week around 35 were transferred 116 miles north from Tucson to a Phoenix bus station where they went their separate way. Judicial Watch was present when one of the white vans carrying a group of OTMs arrived at the Phoenix Greyhound station on Buckeye Road.

And this is where the Mateen-G4S link emerges: as JW reported previously, a security company contracted by the U.S. government is driving the OTMs from the Border Patrol’s Tucson Sector where they were in custody to Phoenix, sources said. The firm is the abovementioned G4S, the world’s leading security solutions group with operations in more than 100 countries and 610,000 employees. G4S has more than 50,000 employees in the U.S. and its domestic headquarters is in Jupiter, Florida.

Judicial Watch noted that it had filed a number of public records requests to get more information involving the arrangement between G4S and the government, specifically the transport of illegal immigrants from the Mexican border to other parts of the country. The photo below shows the uniformed G4S guard that transported the OTMs this week from Tucson to Phoenix.

Outraged Border Patrol agents and supervisors on the front lines say illegal immigrants are being released in droves because there’s no room to keep them in detention. “They’re telling us to put them on a bus and let them go,” said one law enforcement official in Arizona. “Just move those bodies across the country.” Officially, DHS denies this is occurring and in fact earlier this year U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner R. Gil Kerlikowske blasted Border Patrol union officials for denouncing this dangerous catch-and-release policy. Kerlikowske’s scolding came in response to the congressional testimony of Bandon Judd, chief of the National Border Patrol Council, the labor union that represents line agents. Judd told lawmakers on the House Judiciary Committee that illegal immigrants without serious criminal convictions can be released immediately and disappear into the shadows. Kerlikowske shot back, telling a separate congressional committee: “I would not stand by if the Border Patrol was — releasing people without going through all of the formalities.

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Meanwhile, the Hill reported that Mateen's employment, and gun licenses, were untouched even though the FBI confirmed it had interviewed the 29-year-old three times before the shooting took place early Sunday morning. An official said that the FBI first became aware of the suspect, Omar Mateen, 29, in 2013 when he made "inflammatory comments to coworkers alleging possible terrorist ties."

In the course of that investigation, Mateen was interviewed twice, but the FBI was unable to verify the substance of his comments.

Then, one year later, in 2014 the FBI conducted an investigation into possible ties between Mateen and an American suicide bomber. The FBI conducted another investigation, which included an interview with Mateen, but determined that the contact did not constitute a threat at that time. Which may be an overstatement: the FBI's 2014 probe allegedly found that the Orlando shooter had "minimal" contact with Florida al-Nusra fighter Moner Abusalha who blew himself up in Syria.

In 2015, after Moner Abusalha became the first American suicide bomber in Syria, the FBI investigated Omar Mateen’s connection to Abu-Salha. Abu-Salha went to the Middle East, trained, and returned to the Treasure Coast, specifically Vero and fort Pierce, to recruit. The FBI says he didn’t recruit anyone, but it’s possible he did have contact with Mateen.

The FBI said it is looking into any and all connections, both domestic and international to the shooting. It appears to have found nothing despite it all being laid out in front of its face.

The agent at Sunday afternoon’s press briefing also confirmed reports that the shooter called 911 before the massacre, and said his remarks had general connections to the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) terror group. The content of those calls is now federal evidence.

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It gets even more bizarre: despite his chequered history and his numerous FBI encounters, the Orlando Police just reported that he had managed to purchase firearms in just this past week.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayers for the victims of Pulse
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This is a real paradox for the left. For us this would be like choosing sides in a Ravens-Bengals game. Gays challenge the heteronormative paradigm, yet there is no greater threat to the America and Israel and the West than radical Islam so they are the top of the approved list.

Obama has already weighed in by denying that the latter exists and that its our collective historical fault.

And is thereby complicit.

I know what the left will do. Be quiet about it and lie. Much like feminists in Europe who ignore rapes by Islamists.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayers for the victims of Pulse
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Pulse is a largely LGBT friendly club. Although i've never been there i'm told it's not like The Parliament House, which is pretty much strictly tailored for the LGBT community. Orlando is very diverse. So in my way of thinking, if it was strictly Gay bigotry, there are more populated, less diverse spots to choose. If it's a case of hitting the Western culture, Orlando doesn't make sense.

Imo this is a psycho with hate in his heart that simply wanted to kill people. A witness reported the only noise this fuck made was laughter. That screams sick to me.

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https://twitter.com/Nero/status/7420590 ... wsrc%5Etfw

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... muslim-law

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 Post subject: Re: Prayers for the victims of Pulse
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VanWilder wrote:
Imo this is a psycho with hate in his heart that simply wanted to kill people.


I agree. The homegrown terrorists aren't really different from pyschopaths, serial killers and mass murderers of the past. Radical Islam is just the latest rationale du-jour they've adopted to justify their hate.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayers for the victims of Pulse
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Kodiak wrote:
VanWilder wrote:
Imo this is a psycho with hate in his heart that simply wanted to kill people.


I agree. The homegrown terrorists aren't really different from pyschopaths, serial killers and mass murderers of the past. Radical Islam is just the latest rationale du-jour they've adopted to justify their hate.


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 Post subject: Re: Prayers for the victims of Pulse
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NOTHING NOTHING to do with Islam:

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/06 ... ram-video/

The Left is all about feeling good about themselves and announcing themselves as morally superior and not actually solving problems and denying its own mess of contradictions.

BTW, it's not just an anti-left argument, the same is true about the modern Catholic church.

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
NOTHING NOTHING to do with Islam:

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/06 ... ram-video/

The Left is all about feeling good about themselves and announcing themselves as morally superior and not actually solving problems and denying its own mess of contradictions.

BTW, it's not just an anti-left argument, the same is true about the modern Catholic church.


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"well behaved" a much better descriptor than "psycho"......


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K,

Lit just explained how the left will resolve an impossible logical contradiction. Smugness and unfunny dick jokes.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayers for the victims of Pulse
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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
K,

Lit just explained how the left will resolve an impossible logical contradiction. Smugness and unfunny dick jokes.


Mostly commenting on your addiction to politicizing and political attacks. You'll be posting about this for weeks. You can't help yourself.

I rather doubt I speak for the left, but it is completely unsurprising and predictable that you this is how you conceive of my joke. I mean, you could have called me unserious, commented that my post was irrelevant to your post. But no. You take it as an expression of "The Left."

Good lord, Dan. It's not an expression of the left. It's my opinion of your online persona.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayers for the victims of Pulse
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How dare Dan consider discussing this for weeks? Obviously Dan can't take the advise of the wise Imam cautioning against sensationilizing this event!

I mean, what's so sensational about a Muslim walking into a night club, happening to have largely LBGT client base, with multiple weapons including an AR-15 that he used to mow down 49 people and maim many others. Stopped by law enforcement after smashing though a wall and saving petrified hostages. How could anyone sensationilize such a mundane event?

Let's get back to discussing some real issues like horrible Indy music, alcohol, and blazers......m


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Or like the left would like to do write 5000 stories about the Stanford rapist, and claim that 20 percent of women on campus are raped (which is obviously not true or you'd be nuts to send your daughter there), but ignore mass rapes in Germany and Britain, because the perps are a special protected group who hates the West, the common enemy of the left.

Coddling one class of people like violent retarded special needs kids instead of demanding that they jump from the 7th century to the 21st is the ultimate form of racism and Islamophobia.

Your enemy of your enemy is not your friend, he is a bigger enemy.

But the left is a religion, and not logic based.

BTW hate is not an explanation for violence. I hate the Bengals but they have nothing to worry about. Lack of civilization is the explanation. We are all potentially violent but civilization is the brake. When your religion tells you that you should drive without using the brake, you are a hazard.

Enough negativity. Where do I buy my Penguins championship swag?

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BTW I'll bet anything this perp has had homosexual experiences (possibly not voluntary) and that he has a porn obsession. The interview with the exwife was revelatory.

His Dad is also a gem. Check out his videos then tell me this has nothing to do with Islam.

What I do not want to see:

"We Stand with Orlando"
"Orlando Strong"
"If we react the terrorists win"
candlelight vigils by people who didn't know the victims
teddybears
Islamophobia lectures by the usual apologists
"if we kill ISIS we are not better than they are"

This is all a diversion to avoid what needs to be done...

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
Or like the left would like to do write 5000 stories about the Stanford rapist, and claim that 20 percent of women on campus are raped (which is obviously not true or you'd be nuts to send your daughter there), but ignore mass rapes in Germany and Britain, because the perps are a special protected group who hates the West, the common enemy of the left.

Coddling one class of people like violent retarded special needs kids instead of demanding that they jump from the 7th century to the 21st is the ultimate form of racism and Islamophobia.

Your enemy of your enemy is not your friend, he is a bigger enemy.

But the left is a religion, and not logic based.

BTW hate is not an explanation for violence. I hate the Bengals but they have nothing to worry about. Lack of civilization is the explanation. We are all potentially violent but civilization is the brake. When your religion tells you that you should drive without using the brake, you are a hazard.

Enough negativity. Where do I buy my Penguins championship swag?


Look. I think you know my beef with what I will refer to as you approach. *Mostly you demonize and belittle.*
The next time you make a constructive post that seeks to unify rather than demonize and divide,
the next time you make a post that concentrates on what should be done rather than what should not (identifying what should not be done with “the other side” of course),
the next time you make post that is not written from the point of view a political operative meant to score points against and belittle the other side…
it will be the first time I have read it.

Yeah, I made a dick joke at your expense. This is a terrible event and your first instinct *SEEMED* to be to complain about liberals?

It seems to me that your response to my critique that all you do is demonize is to say that the left does the same thing. Fine. Often the left does. Why does that make your demonizing something good?

And if I criticize your demonizing, I must be part of the left that defends a culture of terror?

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This is going to hurt Disneyland's business:

http://www.people.com/article/omar-mate ... ed-attacks

Of course, if their kids were blown up on the Small World ride by ISIS, the left would blame the deaths of their loved ones on Disney for imperial capitalist hegemony and cultural appropriation.

I was more offended that your dick joke wasn't funny than you made a dick joke.

When is the last time you insulted a Muslim with a dick joke?

Milo is ripping the Left a new one:

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/06/1 ... d-orlando/

If you're gay, Jewish, a woman or believe in personal freedom, you're an ignoramus if you support the Democrats.

I don't want to hear about some hypothetical redneck in Kentucky...he's not the primary threat. He may complain about "fags" or not go to his son's gay wedding, but he's not the threat to LGBT that he was in 1950.

But of course the real tragedy in the eyes of the Left is that people are saying mean things about Islam on the Internet. 50 dead homosexuals are just eggs that broke on the way to utopia.

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Who fucking called this earlier in the day?

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/ ... wsrc%5Etfw

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Radical Islam is just the latest rationale du-jour they've adopted to justify their hate.


Are you implying this had nothing to do with radical Islam? That this was just a hate filled individual who would have done this regardless?


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Somehow in 1939 we were able to focus on the dangers of German sleeper cells and no one worried if we were krautophobic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_wn9GLgbWU

And we were perfectly willing to trust a German named Eisenhower (Eisenhauer=iron miner) defeat the Germans.

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