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 Post subject: Re: Coup underway in Turkey
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:21 pm 
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SteelerzEdsaL7 wrote:
Latest is that its a purge, with a fake or set up coup as a cover story, very Stalin-esque. This way Erdogan can brutally eliminate all opposition. Great news for all that support Jihad. Including the possibility of eliminating the Kurds who could get the Armenian treatment. With 6 months left to hope and change he better hurry. All he has to do is round them up and put them in an isolated valley. Like a giant woodstock minus the music food and water. Just a pile of bones within a few weeks. This, cop killings, France, ISIS etc: the news cycle has become insane. Hillary wants to have a shoot down no fly zone in Syria. Putin says Hillary could mean war and Im not far from a military target. That makes me very uncomfortable. Much more uncomfortable than 911. I'm convinced, Trump can't come soon enough.


Where did you read about a purge, Steelerz? It rings true to me. Even for a mainstream news story, this whole thing has a stagey, unreal feel to it, and it certainly fits with what's known about Erdogan. (Allowing jihadists and arms through the Turkish border w/Syria, making money off ISIS oil, using refugees for blackmail of Europe, etc.)

Can't believe that the Kurds would go down that easily, though. They are anything but naive. Last time they were fooled was when Bush the First told them they would be protected if they rose up against Saddam. It was most unfortunate what happened.

And yes, NATO/US treatment of Russia is fucking insane.

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 Post subject: Re: Coup underway in Turkey
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:36 pm 
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Don't wanna get into a big political imbroglio...but gotta tell ya....I'm watching the Trump/Pence interview on 60 minutes right now. Trump repeatedly answers the questions that Pence is asked. They remind me of another pair of guys. Who it it??

GOT IT....they're Hockey Night in Canada's Don Cherry & whoever the fuck his sidekick is. A few more colorful jackets and they'd be the spitting image.


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 Post subject: Re: Coup underway in Turkey
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:38 pm 
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I'm not into conspiracy theories, but the logistics of this so called coup completely fail the smell test:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-1 ... d-did-noth

This is some serious Machiavellian shit here...seduce junior officers into the idea of a coup so you can eliminate them...yeah, really how in the hell did he just fly into Istanbul airport?

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 Post subject: Re: Coup underway in Turkey
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:45 pm 
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Very strange at how they reacted to the response in the streets....

If you were committed to this military coup, you should have known and been prepared to mow down a few hundred to a few thousand if need be, yet their tanks and soldiers were basically marched on.....

Their inability to pull those triggers will be rewarded with a beheading......


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 Post subject: Re: Coup underway in Turkey
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:14 am 
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Don't wanna get into a big political imbroglio...but gotta tell ya....I'm watching the Trump/Pence interview on 60 minutes right now. Trump repeatedly answers the questions that Pence is asked. They remind me of another pair of guys. Who it it??

GOT IT....they're Hockey Night in Canada's Don Cherry & whoever the fuck his sidekick is. A few more colorful jackets and they'd be the spitting image.


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 Post subject: Re: Coup underway in Turkey
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:59 am 
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Even the EU is calling this a staged coup as a pretense for a witch hunt...they could have shot him out of the sky but they didn't...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-1 ... rest-lists

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 Post subject: Re: Coup underway in Turkey
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:06 pm 
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Steel Drummer wrote:
And yes, NATO/US treatment of Russia is fucking insane.
Is it "insane" because the west if afraid of war with Putin? It amazes me that people think the US is treating Russia unfairly with NATO. Especially after his pronouncement that the dissolution of the USSR was a tragedy.

Everybody seems to have forgotten he's invaded Ukraine, violating agreements (with Ukraine and the west) made after the dissolution of the USSR. Putin has responded to the sanctions with massive military exercises all over the border with the west. He's kidnapped Estonian government officials and accused them of espionage. Putin blackmailed most of eastern Europe and Germany with threats of shutting off the gas supply if more sanctions are placed on Russia for his theft of Crimea, and possible EU and US arms sales to Ukraine. Putin a thug, plain and simple, and you want to placate him?

Putin only understands violence or the threat of violence. You respond to a bully with a punch in the face. People have to realize small Baltic nations cannot protect themselves against Russia, which has recently increased military spending and initiated aggressive behavior against the US, Briton, and the EU. If there is no response, Putin will continue his combative policy, and would probably invade the rest of Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, and Estonia and have majority control of the Baltic Sea. He's just as bad as Kim Jong Un, Radical Iranian clerics, and China - with their seizure of the South China Sea.

This whole "report" about a Clinton presidency would lead to war is fear mongering. He wants Trump in the white house because they both share conservative, authoritarian values. Clinton would push back, whereas Trump would probably sell the Baltic nations out as long as he got a cut. If you want the US to remain the sole global superpower, letting Putin do what he pleases will jeopardize US dominance. If you read the Russian state controlled media, thermonuclear war is often discussed by conservatives and government consultants. Russia is still living in the 20th century.

It also wouldn't surprise me one bit if he was behind the Istanbul airport attacks as a warning to Erdogan - after the Russian plane was shot down going through Turkey's airspace. Then, surprisingly, there was the announcement of Turkey's renewed friendship with Russia after the attacks. Now this "coup" has all the hallmarks of Russian totalitarian tactics to eliminate any opposition or dissent. Turkey borders much of the black sea, and is a direct rout to the Mediterranean and the Middle East. It also is a member of NATO and has a very large base there. Duh.

But then again, if you are an authoritarian conservative like Putin, Erdogan, and Trump, you want to appease Putin, not challenge him.


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 Post subject: Re: Coup underway in Turkey
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:32 pm 
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You think Hillary isn't authoritarian? Really? That's what the whole Sanders movement was about.

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 Post subject: Re: Coup underway in Turkey
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:51 pm 
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If you're going to kill the king, kill the king.

If you're going to fake a coup, make it believable.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/turkey ... rs-n611376

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 Post subject: Re: Coup underway in Turkey
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The idea that the US can...and should...maintain global hegemony is unsustainable and actually against the best interests of America.

But let's talk of the threat of Russia some more.

Let's invest a trillion dollars in upgraded nuclear weapons while people in our country can't make ends meet.

Weapons which can never be use because if they are it's the end of all of us....but worse, if we continue to build more and better of them, with dialable yields and increase precision, we INCREASE the chance they'll be used.

Russia wants to be a great power. Isolating them because of that desire is not stabilizing. It's DE-stabilizing. A combo of carrot and stick, and occasional "overlooking" of how they operate in their sphere of influence, is what is called for, not provoking for provoking's sake.

Engagement does not mean appeasement.

COR-TEN's ridiculously naive and over-simplistic stance is going to get us all killed.

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