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You think I'm stupid?
Absolutely not. I have no interest in alienating you.

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Sorry ten I get a little over passionate about it. My apologies. I have 5 children trying to make their way in this state and so far 3 have different sets of pitfalls to overcome. My oldest is trying to raise his family on meager allowances. He and his wife both work their asses off and barely get by. That's combined wages. My second oldest is living quite the enviable lifestyle. She went to culinary school and is a full time chef making a lot of good money. Yet she and her boyfriend still have to watch closely their spending and aren't able to buy a house because it's so darn expensive here. My 3rd is just in college. He has been working at a nationally known retailer and makes a meager wage. Has to room mate with a friend to get by. My point? My point is it's not going to get any better for them. Still have 2 in school. 1 in high school and 1 in Jr. High school. It's just heartbreaking how difficult it's going to become for them. Again ten I'm sorry if I came off as hostile. Not what I intended.

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No need to apologize. I came off a bit crass to you. I wish you and your family as much good fortune as possible.

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I know people who started off in Los Angeles who have since moved to AZ, so my next question, which has kind of been answered, is if CA is so oppressive, why not move to AZ or NV? I get that there might be personal reasons for needing to stay in CA, but if the answer is "because I wouldn't make as much money in AZ or NV as I'm making in CA even with the taxes", then that's what I mean by CA having more opportunities.

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Fair question gyst. I'll start by saying easier said than done, especially in the midst of tenured careers where it's not wise to leave your established job security. God knows that's hard to come by in today's society. Also those medical benefits that will help my wife and I see ourselves through those 'golden years' without being raped by medical costs. Sacrifices made now I suppose that pays off later is our plan. Individual retirement accounts are wise. Not only what the employer offers. On top of what the employer offers. I have several myself. Make contributions every month deferred. More or less starve now cause if it ain't on the check to begin with you won't miss it, to eat later when I won't want to continue working. California makes it especially challenging to accomplish this. For example I know folks that worked at a well known employer here for 20+ years. Everyone has heard these horror stories. Raising a family and then all the sudden in their middle ages they no longer have their career or income. Starting over in their 40's is tough. They're discriminated against. Very hard to prove too. They're replaced by a younger cheaper workforce that will settle with less benefits. Cause who needs good medical insurance now? Right? You're in your 20's-30's and healthy. Big Corporations thrive on this mentality. As far as small businesses go. Good luck here. Hope you have inexhaustible financial resources to maintain that business and actually turn a profit. Yeah this state may be wealthy but only the wealthy enjoy it. You all know that old saying, Those with all the gold make all the rules.

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Those entitlement mentality videos you posted 77 are real scary when you realize how many people live their lives with that frame of mind.

I liked the woman with 15 kids demanding that “somebody needs to pay for all this” like her situation is some sort of injustice she has been stuck with as a result of the actions of others.

Birth control is free lady. Other people’s tax payer dollars ensure that for you.

Everyone knows damn well why she had so many kids.


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Hey 77, do you have issues with corporate welfare as well? As much as you do with $1,300 a month for the woman in your interview? Corporate welfare is in the trillions. Individual welfare in CA and NY is in the $1-3 B range.

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Arnold was governor, a republican, when the deficit was worst. Brown was elected, and he fixed the problem, yes? I can see because of mismanagement and some accounting errors the deficit is rearing it's ugly head, but California isn't even in the top five of number of welfare recipients per capita.

States with the most people on food stamps:
Louisiana. • Number of food stamp recipients: 868,192. ...
Tennessee. • Number of food stamp recipients: Just over 1.28 million. ...
Oregon. • Number of food stamp recipients: 791,222. ...
West Virginia. • Number of food stamp recipients: 369,249. ...
New Mexico. ...
Mississippi. ...
District of Columbia.

And I question the authenticity of the other vid. They looked like they were paid off, but even if they weren't, it pales in comparison to corporate welfare. Get angry at them as well. They are the ones robbing you blind, not the lazy fuck that doesn't want to work. No doubt they exist, but it seems to me people are being told they are the biggest problem. They aren't. And does it surprise you that the tax cuts corporations are getting are permanent, and the individual tax check is peanuts, and will expire.

I also suggest that the reason there was a deficit during Arnie's tenure was because corporations were given loopholes and skirted trillions of dollars of tax revenue, which would have cleaned up the deficit in no time.

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I also suggest that the reason there was a deficit during Arnie's tenure was because corporations were given loopholes and skirted trillions of dollars of tax revenue, which would have cleaned up the deficit in no time.


LMFAO.....Corporations account for approximately 10% of federal revenues, or about $330B a year. Corporations did not "skirt trillions of dollars" in CA where annual budgets run @ $170B, that's just dumb.

And taking less of someone's money is never welfare. Corporate taxes should be 0....Z-E-R-O (and it is for the vast majorirty of companies). It's already taxed when shareholders get their dividends.

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I also suggest that the reason there was a deficit during Arnie's tenure was because corporations were given loopholes and skirted trillions of dollars of tax revenue, which would have cleaned up the deficit in no time.


LMFAO.....Corporations account for approximately 10% of federal revenues, or about $330B a year. Corporations did not "skirt trillions of dollars" in CA where annual budgets run @ $170B, that's just dumb.

And taking less of someone's money is never welfare. Corporate taxes should be 0....Z-E-R-O (and it is for the vast majorirty of companies). It's already taxed when shareholders get their dividends.


Why zero?

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Fair question gyst. I'll start by saying easier said than done, especially in the midst of tenured careers where it's not wise to leave your established job security. God knows that's hard to come by in today's society. Also those medical benefits that will help my wife and I see ourselves through those 'golden years' without being raped by medical costs. Sacrifices made now I suppose that pays off later is our plan. Individual retirement accounts are wise. Not only what the employer offers. On top of what the employer offers. I have several myself. Make contributions every month deferred. More or less starve now cause if it ain't on the check to begin with you won't miss it, to eat later when I won't want to continue working. California makes it especially challenging to accomplish this. For example I know folks that worked at a well known employer here for 20+ years. Everyone has heard these horror stories. Raising a family and then all the sudden in their middle ages they no longer have their career or income. Starting over in their 40's is tough. They're discriminated against. Very hard to prove too. They're replaced by a younger cheaper workforce that will settle with less benefits. Cause who needs good medical insurance now? Right? You're in your 20's-30's and healthy. Big Corporations thrive on this mentality. As far as small businesses go. Good luck here. Hope you have inexhaustible financial resources to maintain that business and actually turn a profit. Yeah this state may be wealthy but only the wealthy enjoy it. You all know that old saying, Those with all the gold make all the rules.

Fair enough. Just asking, thanks.

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Ok folks I'm done trying to explain the crisis that is california. Come live here for a year. Try and make it work on $20 per hour. Then come talk to me.

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Try and make it work on $20 per hour.


Point taken. However, that’s not going to get it done in most states. So CA isn’t alone there.

One of the biggest hurdles CA residents have is real estate cost.

Live where the pay is good and expect to pay among the highest in the nation real estate cost. If not the highest in some areas.

Live out of those areas and then be prepared to spend a good portion of your live in a car commuting.

That’s the reality for a lot of people.

Exceptions to those who are fortunate enough or took the steps so they have the type of careers that enables them to earn a much higher than average income all while living out of those highest dollar locations in CA.

Quality of life for many does not grow at a pace equal to their increased earnings. The more ya make the more they take.

You really have to get into higher 6 figure incomes before it starts to make a difference.


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This is the biggest hurdle IMO.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/stat ... ?a=viewall

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I once moved from Pittsburgh to northern VA, DC area, because I was offered a job that paid what would be a comfortable salary in Pittsburgh only to learn the hard way that it was tough to make ends meet in NOVA on what would be comfortable in Pittsburgh. So I got a taste of what you're talking about.

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I say it’s time to cut some spending....


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I agree with everything 95 has posted.

Actually governor Brown just increased a statewide tax in an attempt to generate Billions for infrastructure improvement, levee reconstruction/strengthening and expanding mass transit. A bullet train that Schwarzenegger tried to get the ball rolling on will be included. So he has increased gas tax, car registration and dipped into the tobacco tax. Don't even want to talk about property taxes. Already one of the highest taxing states in the nation fuel costs come at a negative to most California's because they've not received any wage increases. Sometimes raises aren't seen for more than 10 years. But taxes continue to rise as does the cost of living here. As far as tobacco goes expect to pay $8 to $10 a pack because of the high taxes. So with all the controversy about california being a sanctuary state Trump isn't just going to hand out federal money. So it falls primarily on californians. Yay! http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol- ... story.html - http://www.latimes.com/politics/essenti ... story.html
But let's focus on guns since it's a safe topic for debate.
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I just addressed Poltargyst's comment about opportunity. Not about errors in governance or mismanagement. That happens in EVERY state. Not just Cali. There is plenty of opportunity. If you don't have the intestinal fortitude to take advantage, pass it by. It's a free country. Those that live in CA are free to move elsewhere. That's what makes america great, right? You have a choice. Or supposedly have a choice. It's up to those to decide if they have balls to get in on it, or just whine and complain that they aren't getting their fair share. Or being taxed too much. Move to Kansas or Texas, where growth is stagnant. But hey, you pay less taxes.


This a similar argument I hear when someone says "not my president" "this country is full of idiots and is doomed" "resist" . Then they are aghast when someone offers advice that they should simply move to a country that is more in line with what they think is correct.

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Exactly what it is RS. Thank you for your comment.

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This a similar argument I hear when someone says "not my president" "this country is full of idiots and is doomed" "resist" . Then they are aghast when someone offers advice that they should simply move to a country that is more in line with what they think is correct.


To which a plausible, possibly sensible response is: if you think I can just up and move to a different country and stay there legally so that I can enjoy those rights that I applaud, you are ill informed.

It's pretty easy to move from CA to WY. It's hard as fuck to move from CA to Deutschland. I would love to live in Berlin. Not happening. Unless you are a war refugee. :shock:

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But not so hard to move from Mexico to CA.

There will even be goods, services, money, and automatic voter enrollment when you arrive.


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Still Lit wrote:
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This a similar argument I hear when someone says "not my president" "this country is full of idiots and is doomed" "resist" . Then they are aghast when someone offers advice that they should simply move to a country that is more in line with what they think is correct.


To which a plausible, possibly sensible response is: if you think I can just up and move to a different country and stay there legally so that I can enjoy those rights that I applaud, you are ill informed.

It's pretty easy to move from CA to WY. It's hard as fuck to move from CA to Deutschland. I would love to live in Berlin. Not happening. Unless you are a war refugee. :shock:



You made that way to easy for 95. Open borders is the progressive way, dear Lit. Embrace it. I imagine a professor of philosophy could get a job teaching in another country quite easily.

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I think you missed the part where I talked about doing it legally.

Point remains: up and moving someplace and legally becoming a citizen is not easy. The why don't you leave the country response is silly.

Not a chance in Germany, RS. Not a chance. Zee German philosophers are coming HERE for work.

But to get legal status working in a bicycle shop in Germany is not happening either.

I don't actually want to leave.

But I do truly love zee Germans. Cologne is faveorite city of mine.

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From 2011. . .

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1. Exxon Mobil made19 billion in profits in 2009. Exxon not only paid no federal income taxes, it actually received a $156 million rebate from the IRS, according to its SEC filings.

2. Bank of America received a $1.9 billion tax refund from the IRS last year, although it made $4.4 billion in profits and received a bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department of nearly $1 trillion.

3. Over the past five years, while General Electric made $26 billion in profits in the United States, it received a $4.1 billion refund from the IRS.

4. Chevron received a $19 million refund from the IRS last year after it made $10 billion in profits in 2009.

5. Boeing, which received a $30 billion contract from the Pentagon to build 179 airborne tankers, got a $124 million refund from the IRS last year.

6. Valero Energy, the 25th largest company in America with $68 billion in sales last year received a $157 million tax refund check from the IRS and, over the past three years, it received a $134 million tax break from the oil and gas manufacturing tax deduction.

7. Goldman Sachs in 2008 only paid 1.1 percent of its income in taxes even though it earned a profit of $2.3 billion and received an almost $800 billion from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury Department.

8. Citigroup last year made more than4 billion in profits but paid no federal income taxes. It received a $2.5 trillion bailout from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury.

9. Conoco Phillips, the fifth largest oil company in the United States, made $16 billion in profits from 2007 through 2009, but received $451 million in tax breaks through the oil and gas manufacturing deduction.

10. Over the past five years, Carnival Cruise Lines made more than $11 billion in profits, but its federal income tax rate during those years was just 1.1 percent.
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57 Fortune 500 corporations have their home headquarters in California, and they all do business in this state, yet it is unclear if any are paying their full taxes here. For instance, Apple computer avoided paying most of its state taxes to California by moving its investment wing to Nevada, and Intel has done the same by locating its finance department (Intel Capital) in the Cayman Islands. Thus, as California has led the way in the high-tech global economy, its corporations have used new technologies to simply avoid paying state and federal taxes. In fact, many of these corporations use a loophole in our tax code to declare their profits in countries that charge a low tax rate. So even if companies stay in California and use the schools, police, and roads of the Golden State, they claim that their revenue was generated in another country.
From here : https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-samu ... 46143.html

I realize the link is as toxic as breitbart or fauxnewz, but corporate welfare is real. Deal with it instead of looking to scapegoat to some fuckhead that games the system for peanuts vs one that games the system for billions, if not trillions. Corporations are individuals, after all. Right?

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I think you missed the part where I talked about doing it legally.

Point remains: up and moving someplace and legally becoming a citizen is not easy. The why don't you leave the country response is silly.

Not a chance in Germany, RS. Not a chance. Zee German philosophers are coming HERE for work.

But to get legal status working in a bicycle shop in Germany is not happening either.

I don't actually want to leave.

But I do truly love zee Germans. Cologne is faveorite city of mine.
More false equivalencies and double standards. Not you, but the argument is bullshit that you can just move to another country and "choose" to lead a different life.

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Liberal state gone insane. But who cares it's not their money they give away. Must be nice to have that much excess money laying around doing nothing that you can just hand it out no questions asked. Really?

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/califor ... 00692.html

I admit on the surface it's a great thing to do for those that can really use it. Also, charity makes you feel good as the giver. Good for you. How will this inspire folks to get out of their rut? I think folks will just rely on it as extra welfare.

I was always taught that being given something was great. Never take it for granted. To earn something was even better. Learning how to sacrifice and make your way until you reached that accomplishment means you'll not only remember the lesson you'll have a much higher respect for yourself and your existence. Earn it. Don't come to expect it. People all too often develop a sense of entitlement and come to expect it. That's what I see here. Given something for nothing eventually the mentality will become, you have it to give me; I expect it everytime now. I'm entitled to it just by breathing the same atmosphere you do. Very self destructive. Kind of contrary to what it's being implemented for, right? Starts out good natured but usually spins out of control into a destructive result.

The post above Ten is very telling of a corrupt government system. Doing favors for the wealthiest for favors in return. Hmmm.... been like that since the 1870's. When will the American People wake the fuck up?!

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Still Lit wrote:
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This a similar argument I hear when someone says "not my president" "this country is full of idiots and is doomed" "resist" . Then they are aghast when someone offers advice that they should simply move to a country that is more in line with what they think is correct.


To which a plausible, possibly sensible response is: if you think I can just up and move to a different country and stay there legally so that I can enjoy those rights that I applaud, you are ill informed.

It's pretty easy to move from CA to WY. It's hard as fuck to move from CA to Deutschland. I would love to live in Berlin. Not happening. Unless you are a war refugee. :shock:


Come on now.. I lived in Deutschland for 14 years.. then Italy for 6... It was super easy... Loved every minute I was there.. I also love every minute I am here in the USA.. Most of all In 5 years I will be back in Pennsylvania for the remainder of my life..


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