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 Post subject: Jamie Collins for a compensatory third-round pick...WTF?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:19 pm 
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WTF....are you kidding me? I know he will be expensive over the next few years, but he's worth it imo. I'm sure the Pats don't want to help make us better, but why can't we ever do something like this?

Browns acquired LB Jamie Collins from the Patriots for a compensatory third-round pick.

The Pats seemed to solve their contract logjam by sending Chandler Jones to the Cardinals over the offseason, but they have now offloaded perhaps their best defensive player for a late third-round pick, a compensatory pick they likely would have gotten anyway if they just let Collins leave via free agency in the spring. It is a stunning move which certainly carries much more backstory than we know about right now. Collins should play inside linebacker for the Browns and is a massive upgrade over Demario Davis and Chris Kirksey. As long as the Browns are able to get him under contract, this should end up being a great trade for Cleveland. At the very least, Cleveland should tag Collins to keep him around one more year. New England now has to lock up Dont'a Hightower to a long-term deal.

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Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter Oct 31 - 12:32 PM

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 Post subject: Re: Jamie Collins for a compensatory third-round pick...WTF?
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Heard he wasn't "playing the defense called", and that's why they shipped him out.

Do we really want players who do this sort of thing?

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 Post subject: Re: Jamie Collins for a compensatory third-round pick...WTF?
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Heard he wasn't "playing the defense called", and that's why they shipped him out.

Do we really want players who do this sort of thing?


The way our defense plays, not sure our guys are playing the defense called, so why the hell not?


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 Post subject: Re: Jamie Collins for a compensatory third-round pick...WTF?
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Oh and I'll add there is ZERO chance Bill B. would have shipped Collins to a contender, let alone the steelers who were preseason favorites to be there with the pats in the AFCCG


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Donnie Brasco wrote:
Heard he wasn't "playing the defense called", and that's why they shipped him out.

Do we really want players who do this sort of thing?




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Collins on the second play of the game does whatever he wants and Bills gain 28 yards. Been happening all year. It was not going to continue


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 Post subject: Re: Jamie Collins for a compensatory third-round pick...WTF?
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Blockbuster deal: Patriots traded LB Jamie Collins to Cleveland for a compensatory third-round pick, sources tell ESPN.


wow so basically a 4th rnd pick.


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 Post subject: Re: Jamie Collins for a compensatory third-round pick...WTF?
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lol one must wonder how stoked Collins is going to the mistake by the lake. It's akin to a detective being put on traffic duty or an FBI agent ending up in Alaska by week's end.


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 Post subject: Re: Jamie Collins for a compensatory third-round pick...WTF?
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But Pats fans said he was the Defensive MVP.

This move will bite them long term.

here is the utter stomach drops

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-pat ... s.1134792/

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 Post subject: Re: Jamie Collins for a compensatory third-round pick...WTF?
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I have a perfect solution for Jamie Collins: bring him in to be a 3-4 OLB in this defense and let him rush the passer about 80% of the time, in coverage the rest. Fewer responsibilities, fewer chances to freelance.

I'm just sick in my stomach that we didn't offer enough to make that deal happen.

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b2b DO YOU REALLY THINK that they would have traded him to us?
maybe if we gave them a first rounder?


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I say no chance that would have happened. Would have been nice tho


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Not only do I think Belichick would have said no fucking way to the Steelers, he sent Collins to a team completely out of it and that plays the Steelers twice.

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Not only would he not trade Collns to the Steelers, or any other contender, trading him to the Browns is the ultimate punishment. Also sends the message to the rest of his team...my way or the highway.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
I have a perfect solution for Jamie Collins: bring him in to be a 3-4 OLB in this defense and let him rush the passer about 80% of the time, in coverage the rest. Fewer responsibilities, fewer chances to freelance.

I'm just sick in my stomach that we didn't offer enough to make that deal happen.


b2b, this is EXACTLY what I was thinking. Even with all of his "freelancing" he still managed eight solo tackles against us. :lol: He's one of a handful of OLBs I would want the PS to trade for.

I'm sure Belicheat would've quadrupled the price for us though. As I said in the other trade thread....go get Aldon Smith for a 3rd right now! He's that good and we're that disparate!

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b2b DO YOU REALLY THINK that they would have traded him to us?
maybe if we gave them a first rounder?

Worth it for an All-Pro talent. Worth it simply because he'll dedicate himself to defeating Bill for the rest of his life.

Best case, he fits as an edge backer here-- becomes a superstar. Worst-case, he is our best ILB or best OB backer when we play 4-3 looks.

The chances of us selecting a better player in rd 1 next year are slim and none.

Put it this way: if they haven't already offered our 2017 1st to Cleveland today, I am severely disappointed in them. Cleveland won't do shit with that pick, lessening the risk.

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 Post subject: Re: Jamie Collins for a compensatory third-round pick...WTF?
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Maybe we can schmooze the CLE FO and see what they want for him?? Dirty pics of their owner?

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DP39 wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:
I have a perfect solution for Jamie Collins: bring him in to be a 3-4 OLB in this defense and let him rush the passer about 80% of the time, in coverage the rest. Fewer responsibilities, fewer chances to freelance.

I'm just sick in my stomach that we didn't offer enough to make that deal happen.


b2b, this is EXACTLY what I was thinking. Even with all of his "freelancing" he still managed eight solo tackles against us. :lol: He's one of a handful of OLBs I would want the PS to trade for.

I'm sure Belicheat would've quadrupled the price for us though. As I said in the other trade thread....go get Aldon Smith for a 3rd right now! He's that good and we're that disparate!


So....we're sure that Belichick wouldn't trade a pass rusher to another AFC playoff contender. But we're going to speculate that the 6-2 Raiders will give us an all-pro pass rusher for the same price.

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I think a large part of trading Collins to the browns was to stick it to him the best way they could.


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 Post subject: Re: Jamie Collins for a compensatory third-round pick...WTF?
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But wait they sold him for a pack of gum, I thought only the Steelers did such a thing!


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Patriots and Browns essentially swaped a 2018 3rd round pick for a 2017 3rd round pick for 8 games of Collins time when you factor in what he'll bring back in compensatory picks. I think that's a fair deal on both sides. If the Pats dumped him in a season they are SB favorites, I'd venture to say there is more to the story. Collins likely is a problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Jamie Collins for a compensatory third-round pick...WTF?
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SP wrote:
Patriots and Browns essentially swaped a 2018 3rd round pick for a 2017 3rd round pick for 8 games of Collins time when you factor in what he'll bring back in compensatory picks. I think that's a fair deal on both sides. If the Pats dumped him in a season they are SB favorites, I'd venture to say there is more to the story. Collins likely is a problem.




Collins was apparently going rogue, doing whatever he wanted on the filed and mostly not playing the defense called.


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GreekSteel wrote:
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Patriots and Browns essentially swaped a 2018 3rd round pick for a 2017 3rd round pick for 8 games of Collins time when you factor in what he'll bring back in compensatory picks. I think that's a fair deal on both sides. If the Pats dumped him in a season they are SB favorites, I'd venture to say there is more to the story. Collins likely is a problem.




Collins was apparently going rogue, doing whatever he wanted on the filed and mostly not playing the defense called.


And he acted that way on a team that is probably the best in the league. What do you think will happen on a team like Cleveland?

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Donnie Brasco wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
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Patriots and Browns essentially swaped a 2018 3rd round pick for a 2017 3rd round pick for 8 games of Collins time when you factor in what he'll bring back in compensatory picks. I think that's a fair deal on both sides. If the Pats dumped him in a season they are SB favorites, I'd venture to say there is more to the story. Collins likely is a problem.




Collins was apparently going rogue, doing whatever he wanted on the filed and mostly not playing the defense called.


And he acted that way on a team that is probably the best in the league. What do you think will happen on a team like Cleveland?



You might be right but if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly, Collins since knowing he wasn't gonna get paid in NE just wanted out, to anywhere really, from what I'm reading on twitter, hes ecstatic to go there. We shall see, again you might be right DB, just offering up a devils advocate opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: Jamie Collins for a compensatory third-round pick...WTF?
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Pabst wrote:
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
I have a perfect solution for Jamie Collins: bring him in to be a 3-4 OLB in this defense and let him rush the passer about 80% of the time, in coverage the rest. Fewer responsibilities, fewer chances to freelance.

I'm just sick in my stomach that we didn't offer enough to make that deal happen.


b2b, this is EXACTLY what I was thinking. Even with all of his "freelancing" he still managed eight solo tackles against us. :lol: He's one of a handful of OLBs I would want the PS to trade for.

I'm sure Belicheat would've quadrupled the price for us though. As I said in the other trade thread....go get Aldon Smith for a 3rd right now! He's that good and we're that disparate!


So....we're sure that Belichick wouldn't trade a pass rusher to another AFC playoff contender. But we're going to speculate that the 6-2 Raiders will give us an all-pro pass rusher for the same price.

I never would've speculated that Collins would go for what is essentially a 4th, so now that that's a reality and the market has been set, I'm more than willing to dream about the PS offering a 3rd (hell, maybe a 2nd) for Aldon Smith. Will it happen on either end, slim-to-none and slim probably just left town, but even so, that hasn't stopped everyone here from speculating about whether Tomlin will ever learn from his "in-game management" blunders either has it?

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