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Without Hester Bears doesn't get near the Sb they lost to Colts. Returners don't need to be run one back all the time; field position matters and a great returner gives teams a massive edge in that department. How many times did Jacoby Jones give Rats tremendous field position in 2012?


Hester has 41 career fumbles. He blew the NE game for BAL this year.

He's extremely overrated.


The last time Bears made the Sb he most certainly wasn't. Even though he had a very good game for SeaHags he isn't near the player he was. Yet without that hold call yesterday his big punt return makes that a very close game.


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I think Bill O is in a great position. He's got a real D, his comments after pulling Osweiler for Savage late season indicates he knows Osw doesn't have it and he doesn't care how much his idiot front office paid him. He will be the firewall, he'll protect the team and his job from that $37 million dollar mistake. He needs a rookie QB and rookie offensive enhancements, some help on D. He's definitely got something to build on. Osw reaction after throwing yet another pic and squandering another scoring opportunity was to shift blame to his receiver. Understood Fuller and Fiedor both dropped TD's. That's the impression I got. Brady gets away with that classless behavior, not acceptable from a QB who, when he completes a pass it feels like an accident. That behavior won't sit with Bill O.


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 Post subject: Re: Houston @ The Evil Empire
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I think Bill O is in a great position. He's got a real D, his comments after pulling Osweiler for Savage late season indicates he knows Osw doesn't have it and he doesn't care how much his idiot front office paid him. He will be the firewall, he'll protect the team and his job from that $37 million dollar mistake. He needs a rookie QB and rookie offensive enhancements, some help on D. He's definitely got something to build on. Osw reaction after throwing yet another pic and squandering another scoring opportunity was to shift blame to his receiver. Understood Fuller and Fiedor both dropped TD's. That's the impression I got. Brady gets away with that classless behavior, not acceptable from a QB who, when he completes a pass it feels like an accident. That behavior won't sit with Bill O.


Romo is probably the answer. Obrien is already on rockyground with Texans ownership, or at least isn't particularly happy with things there. He probably wants to win right away. Romo with that defense makes them a threat in the AFC next year, granted Romo can actually stay healthy.


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 Post subject: Re: Houston @ The Evil Empire
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So now they have a choice...go after an expensive FA like Romo (which Denver or the NYJ will probably get) or move up in the draft to get Kizer or Mahomes or the kid from North Carolina. Or roll with Savage I guess but I think that only gets you so far. The Colts will presumably be healthier next year and Titans are getting better.

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 Post subject: Re: Houston @ The Evil Empire
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You do everything to get Romo.

You have about three years of peak Watt left.


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 Post subject: Re: Houston @ The Evil Empire
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Yet without that hold call yesterday his big punt return makes that a very close game.


This is dumb. Without the hold/shove in the back, Hester is slowed and gets corralled or he's just straight tattooed onto queer street.


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tunch wrote:
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Yet without that hold call yesterday his big punt return makes that a very close game.


This is dumb. Without the hold/shove in the back, Hester is slowed and gets corralled or he's just straight tattooed onto queer street.
That's the penalty I thought they were going to call, not the one at the LOS. The defender was re-directed by a hold on the back.

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 Post subject: Re: Houston @ The Evil Empire
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Damn, this Houston offense is hot garbage. Boy am I jealous of their defense though. Great stuff from them tonight.

Our defense is better. There, I said it.

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Chad Kelly is the best QB prospect in this years draft. He is a complete douche, but also has the full toolbox.....


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holy shit Brady looks bad tonight throwing all these flat footed lobs downfield....looking like old man Manning

I mentioned earlier in the year when watching Brady-- his downfield arm strength is a fraction off, compared to his peak-- age is definitely starting to show.

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Chad Kelly is the best QB prospect in this years draft. He is a complete douche, but also has the full toolbox.....


Why would anyone want a QB whose best case career is Jeff George?


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 Post subject: Re: Houston @ The Evil Empire
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holy shit Brady looks bad tonight throwing all these flat footed lobs downfield....looking like old man Manning

I mentioned earlier in the year when watching Brady-- his downfield arm strength is a fraction off, compared to his peak-- age is definitely starting to show.


Those "flat-footed lobs" were by design.

Jesus...

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 Post subject: Re: Houston @ The Evil Empire
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Hill can do what Hester did for the Bears and then some. In cold weather were kick off returns and punt returns become much, much more important his presence is huge. It makes KC a SB threat.


sorry, i don't agree that a return man has ever made a team a SB threat

way too much attention paid to this guy

i'm not worrying about something that happens once in every twenty returns, even in the all-time greatest seasons

Hill is half their offense, not just a return guy.

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 Post subject: Re: Houston @ The Evil Empire
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tunch wrote:
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Yet without that hold call yesterday his big punt return makes that a very close game.


This is dumb. Without the hold/shove in the back, Hester is slowed and gets corralled or he's just straight tattooed onto queer street.


If player isn't held and gets off LOS it is a guarantee he slows down Hester? Sure it is. So I'm not allowed to assume and you are. Copy.


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 Post subject: Re: Houston @ The Evil Empire
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sorry, i don't agree that a return man has ever made a team a SB threat

way too much attention paid to this guy

i'm not worrying about something that happens once in every twenty returns, even in the all-time greatest seasons[/quote]
Hill is half their offense, not just a return guy.[/quote]

Exactly he presents a threat all over the field.


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 Post subject: Re: Houston @ The Evil Empire
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if we're being honest....we're going to lose tomorrow and then debate about whether it's the fault of coaching (and many, regardless of his numbers, will blame Ben)


Already presuming a loss and gearing up to blame Tomlin/Haley even if bad Ben showed up.

Shocked you of all poasters would post such words.

51 pages?

Pats are not in peoples' heads at all.


Well why not?

Tonight is just a play-in game, after all.

PS Of course the Pats are in our heads. We've never beaten them when it counted.

How many times have they beaten us when it really counted? Once with Ben? I think you make too much of this supposed dominance.

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 Post subject: Re: Houston @ The Evil Empire
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Jeemie wrote:
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holy shit Brady looks bad tonight throwing all these flat footed lobs downfield....looking like old man Manning

I mentioned earlier in the year when watching Brady-- his downfield arm strength is a fraction off, compared to his peak-- age is definitely starting to show.


Those "flat-footed lobs" were by design.

Jesus...

Not talking about the lobs done for lobs sake-- Brady does not have the giddyup in his arm he used to have. Watch when he tries to drive the ball in the intermediate range and also when he tries to give a little extra to the deep ball. He's still very accurate, but driving the ball is much harder for him than it used to be.

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 Post subject: Re: Houston @ The Evil Empire
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How many times have they beaten us when it really counted? Once with Ben? I think you make too much of this supposed dominance.


No...their dominance is real. We've only beaten them twice in the Ben/Brady era when both played.

The "when it counts" didn't really matter...I shouldn't have added it. But we're obsessed because we know this time if we are to get to the Super Bowl, we'll have to go through them (provided we get by Kansas City). And if anyone here says they're confident we can beat them, they're expressing unwarranted bravado.

Hence the mixture of emotions yesterday...we wanted Houston to pull off the upset because we know that would make the path to the Super Bowl a little easier. But at the same time, I'm betting some of us don't want a fourth trip there where we didn't have to face the Pats to get there.

This isn't just projection...other posters have said similar things.

At any rate, it is clear the Pats are in many Steeler fans' heads. Best to just admit it and move on.

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Not talking about the lobs done for lobs sake-- Brady does not have the giddyup in his arm he used to have. Watch when he tries to drive the ball in the intermediate range and also when he tries to give a little extra to the deep ball. He's still very accurate, but driving the ball is much harder for him than it used to be.


Not enough to matter.

And Kodak WAS talking about those lobs.

His comment came right after one of them.

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Jeemie wrote:
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Not talking about the lobs done for lobs sake-- Brady does not have the giddyup in his arm he used to have. Watch when he tries to drive the ball in the intermediate range and also when he tries to give a little extra to the deep ball. He's still very accurate, but driving the ball is much harder for him than it used to be.


Not enough to matter.

And Kodak WAS talking about those lobs.

His comment came right after one of them.

I am not and i think it does matter.

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 Post subject: Re: Houston @ The Evil Empire
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Those "flat-footed lobs" were by design.

Jesus...[/quote]
Not talking about the lobs done for lobs sake-- Brady does not have the giddyup in his arm he used to have. Watch when he tries to drive the ball in the intermediate range and also when he tries to give a little extra to the deep ball. He's still very accurate, but driving the ball is much harder for him than it used to be.[/quote]

His passes sure seem to have more of a Chad Pennington float to them. If Texans DBs made any attempt to track the ball they could've had a field day. It especially got under my skin because in just about all of those situations the CBs had help over the top.


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 Post subject: Re: Houston @ The Evil Empire
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How many times have they beaten us when it really counted? Once with Ben? I think you make too much of this supposed dominance.


No...their dominance is real. We've only beaten them twice in the Ben/Brady era when both played.

The "when it counts" didn't really matter...I shouldn't have added it. But we're obsessed because we know this time if we are to get to the Super Bowl, we'll have to go through them (provided we get by Kansas City). And if anyone here says they're confident we can beat them, they're expressing unwarranted bravado.

Hence the mixture of emotions yesterday...we wanted Houston to pull off the upset because we know that would make the path to the Super Bowl a little easier. But at the same time, I'm betting some of us don't want a fourth trip there where we didn't have to face the Pats to get there.

This isn't just projection...other posters have said similar things.

At any rate, it is clear the Pats are in many Steeler fans' heads. Best to just admit it and move on.

We've always played them in early season, long before both teams were peaked. Pats were established with their core and their system and playing largely inferior Pittsburgh teams in that stretch. The AFCCG in 2004 was the only real dominance and that is a long time ago... for both teams and both QBs.

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How many times have they beaten us when it really counted? Once with Ben? I think you make too much of this supposed dominance.


No...their dominance is real. We've only beaten them twice in the Ben/Brady era when both played.

The "when it counts" didn't really matter...I shouldn't have added it. But we're obsessed because we know this time if we are to get to the Super Bowl, we'll have to go through them (provided we get by Kansas City). And if anyone here says they're confident we can beat them, they're expressing unwarranted bravado.

Hence the mixture of emotions yesterday...we wanted Houston to pull off the upset because we know that would make the path to the Super Bowl a little easier. But at the same time, I'm betting some of us don't want a fourth trip there where we didn't have to face the Pats to get there.

This isn't just projection...other posters have said similar things.

At any rate, it is clear the Pats are in many Steeler fans' heads. Best to just admit it and move on.


Count me among those that wanted the easiest path to the Super Bowl. Ideally, we would be visiting Oakland today (without Carr) and hosting Houston last week. In '08, I was confident we were getting to the Super Bowl before our first playoff game. As soon as Baltimore beat Tennessee (remember, we had lost AT Tennessee in the season finale), I saw the clear path to the Super Bowl.

While beating New England in Foxboro for the AFC Championship is ultimate football erotica, I would have much preferred that the Pats lost last night.


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Jeemie wrote:
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How many times have they beaten us when it really counted? Once with Ben? I think you make too much of this supposed dominance.


No...their dominance is real. We've only beaten them twice in the Ben/Brady era when both played.

The "when it counts" didn't really matter...I shouldn't have added it. But we're obsessed because we know this time if we are to get to the Super Bowl, we'll have to go through them (provided we get by Kansas City). And if anyone here says they're confident we can beat them, they're expressing unwarranted bravado.

Hence the mixture of emotions yesterday...we wanted Houston to pull off the upset because we know that would make the path to the Super Bowl a little easier. But at the same time, I'm betting some of us don't want a fourth trip there where we didn't have to face the Pats to get there.

This isn't just projection...other posters have said similar things.

At any rate, it is clear the Pats are in many Steeler fans' heads. Best to just admit it and move on.


hard to disagree, but historically I guess that would make us the Houston Oilers? I personally think that This team has a legacy of it's own, at the very least it is a young team with an opportunity to create it's own legacy and either way they need to take care of business today and next week. The opponent doesn't really matter because regardless if they want to win they have to play solid football. I think that if the Pittsburgh Steelers play solid, consistent football, they can beat any of the remaining teams.


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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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How many times have they beaten us when it really counted? Once with Ben? I think you make too much of this supposed dominance.


No...their dominance is real. We've only beaten them twice in the Ben/Brady era when both played.

The "when it counts" didn't really matter...I shouldn't have added it. But we're obsessed because we know this time if we are to get to the Super Bowl, we'll have to go through them (provided we get by Kansas City). And if anyone here says they're confident we can beat them, they're expressing unwarranted bravado.

Hence the mixture of emotions yesterday...we wanted Houston to pull off the upset because we know that would make the path to the Super Bowl a little easier. But at the same time, I'm betting some of us don't want a fourth trip there where we didn't have to face the Pats to get there.

This isn't just projection...other posters have said similar things.

At any rate, it is clear the Pats are in many Steeler fans' heads. Best to just admit it and move on.

We've always played them in early season, long before both teams were peaked. Pats were established with their core and their system and playing largely inferior Pittsburgh teams in that stretch. The AFCCG in 2004 was the only real dominance and that is a long time ago... for both teams and both QBs.


2007 was week 14.

2010 was week 10.

2013 was week 9.

What's your definition of "early in the season"?

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