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 Post subject: AFCN round up
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:28 am 
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I'll try to do this every week. Last night I sat through the painful Bengals v Ravens.

Ravens D is for real though they did benefit from Dalton playing as poor a game as I've seen from him in a while.

Suggs, Brandon Williams and Moseley had great games. Williams and Suggs trashed the Bengals oline repeatedly. That LT Bengals drafted a few years back is putrid. Despite that Bengals moved the ball at times and if not for the woeful Dalton could've won this game. He missed AJ Green wide open deep at least twice and missed multiple other opportunities to other receivers. Yes Ravens D was good but much like Steelers yesterday they were somewhat flattered by an opposing QB that did his best to help them out. 2 of his Ints came from throws with zero pressure into triple coverage, one when Bengals were only trailing 3-0 inside red zone (inside ten yard line). Other 2 came from deflected passes that fell right into Ravens DBs laps. This was a tough game to truly evaluate well. I'm betting Ravens D will get all sorts of praise but Dalton sure helped them.

On Offense the Ravens were decent in run game. Better than I expected. In passing game they flat out stunk. Flacco's TD came from a ten yard slant to Maclin were Bengals players ran into each other and paved way for easy sprint to end zone. Ravens OTs struggled. Especially Stanley who didn't look healthy at all. Lawson when he was given snaps (not enough) made him look bad. Bengals D handled Ravens fairly easily for most part outside of big play to Maclin and 2nd TD was set up by deflected Int from Dalton that put Rats at 2 yard line. Outside of that Ravens didn't do much to suggest their Offense will be very good. Perriman was a milk carton and Wallace wasn't much better. Stop the run on Ravens and force Flacco to do something looks to be a very good approach.

Rookies:

Rats:

Humphrey looked ok but again struggled when asked to turn and run with someone. If he doesn't get that fixed teams will attack him and they should.

Bowser looked poor. He was swallowed by OTs which is a bit glaring as every other Raven seemed to be abusing them. He will improve but expected a bit more from what I saw in pre season. He only played 25 or so snaps but he may be needed sooner rather than later as Z.Smith got hurt.

Wormley was active but didn't play.

Tim Williams was but didn't play.

Bengals:

John Ross has injury issues. I suspect he will his entire career.

William Jackson: counting a rookie because he missed entire rook year. Jackson didn't impress in coverage. Looked lost at times and a work in progress.

Joe Mixon: he flashed a little bit but missed some holes and wasn't near as impressive as other rookie RBs. I was disappointed.

Jordan Willis: one of few Bengals to do poorly in pass rush. He was ok in run D but looked super stiff and reliant on power for pass rush.

Carl Lawson: stand out rookie. He gave Stanley fits and for folks that want to rail on our coaches here is a prime example of why Tomlin is better than Lewis. Lawson should've seen a ton more snaps than he did. He only had 20 or so but every time he rushed he looked like he was going to cause havoc.

Take aways from game:

Ravens D is good but still super reliant on Suggs. That will be ok for a while but as season goes on he will wear down as he did previous 2 seasons. Williams and Pierce maybe best interior run D dlineman around. I will withhold judgment until they face a better oline.

Ravens offense was a bit better in run game but their passing attack looks woeful. Could be due to Flacco first game in a while a good game v Browns might be tonic needed. Oline was ok run blocking and poor in pass pro.

Bengals D: overall solid and unfortunate to be put in some untenable positions by Dalton. Keystone Kopped Maclin's TD. Lawson will be starter soon he should've been to open game.

Bengals O: oline is a mess. Not one of them had a decent game. Interior was horrifically bad with exception of Center who was ok at best. OTs ugly. Really ugly. Then of course Dalton. Missed wide open receivers, throw horrendous picks and looked like a rookie with happy feet. Yes his oline didn't help but none of the turnovers happened under duress and even when he had time couldn't hit broadside of a barn. I predict we see McCarron start soon.


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 Post subject: Re: AFCN round up
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:00 am 
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A big knock on Dalton has always been that he sucks when pressured. His entire career has been spent behind an elite o-line, and now he has that pile of crap in front of him. He's screwed.

Raven's O wasn't really tested thanks to 5 Bungle turnovers.

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 Post subject: Re: AFCN round up
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What are the odds we try and turn the week five matchup at Baltimore into an attrition battle where we try to "limit mistakes"?

I've currently got those odds at 8 chances in ten we trot out a conservative game plan that will play right into Baltimore's strengths.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:12 pm 
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Jeemie wrote:
What are the odds we try and turn the week five matchup at Baltimore into an attrition battle where we try to "limit mistakes"?

I've currently got those odds at 8 chances in ten we trot out a conservative game plan that will play right into Baltimore's strengths.

Odds??? Oh, I don't know...what kind of odds does one put on an absolute certainty?!?

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Woodhead out for 8 weeks and looks likely IR. Flacco loses his dump off buddy. Ouch.


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 Post subject: Re: AFCN round up
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steelclan wrote:
Woodhead out for 8 weeks and looks likely IR. Flacco loses his dump off buddy. Ouch.


It's a loss for them, but whether we win or lose depends on OUR approach.

Baltimore has already proved they can beat us with scrubes.

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 Post subject: Re: AFCN round up
PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:32 pm 
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Jeemie wrote:
steelclan wrote:
Woodhead out for 8 weeks and looks likely IR. Flacco loses his dump off buddy. Ouch.


It's a loss for them, but whether we win or lose depends on OUR approach.

Baltimore has already proved they can beat us with scrubes.


True but no Pita and no Woodhead will force Flacco to hold that ball longer and that is a good thing. It also greatly reduces coverage burden on LBers.

The issue of course will be on offense. It is pretty much same D Rats had last season with 3 changes: Jefferson and Carr with Correa replacing Orr. So two upgrades (though Carr looked awful Sunday), Jefferson is very good and Correa has flat out stunk. I believe they're starting him because they have fuck all else behind him.

If Steelers play way they did in 4th quarter of game II they will give Ravens fits. Pierce/Williams are great inside in a phone booth but force them to move and they wear down and you get Williams gasping for breath on bench and Pierce in close stumbling pursuit.

If they play typical close to vest BS it will be a slug fest and likely Rats will find a way to win.


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 Post subject: Re: AFCN round up
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Jeemie wrote:
What are the odds we try and turn the week five matchup at Baltimore into an attrition battle where we try to "limit mistakes"?

I've currently got those odds at 8 chances in ten we trot out a conservative game plan that will play right into Baltimore's strengths.

You could write the prediction in a granite tablet. We've done something different twice in the 22 games since Tomlin has been the HC, and one of those was with a QB not named Ben Roethlisberger at the helm.

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 Post subject: Re: AFCN round up
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
You could write the prediction in a granite tablet. We've done something different twice in the 22 games since Tomlin has been the HC, and one of those was with a QB not named Ben Roethlisberger at the helm.



This is the problem with Tomlin. He was hired to grow into the job, and he never has. Doing the same things and playing teams the same way he was 10 years ago. He hasn't learned a damn thing, and no longer has Lebeau, Arians or all those Cowher vets to cover him up.

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 Post subject: Re: AFCN round up
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
What are the odds we try and turn the week five matchup at Baltimore into an attrition battle where we try to "limit mistakes"?

I've currently got those odds at 8 chances in ten we trot out a conservative game plan that will play right into Baltimore's strengths.

You could write the prediction in a granite tablet. We've done something different twice in the 22 games since Tomlin has been the HC, and one of those was with a QB not named Ben Roethlisberger at the helm.


I sense some frustration with Tomlin finally surfacing. The sign of the apocalypse?

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 Post subject: Re: AFCN round up
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R S wrote:
I sense some frustration with Tomlin finally surfacing. The sign of the apocalypse?


They'll win the SB this year and then everyone will have to shut-up until a few years after Ben retires. :D

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 Post subject: Re: AFCN round up
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R S wrote:
I sense some frustration with Tomlin finally surfacing. The sign of the apocalypse?


I've always held him accountable.

I think any attempts to absolve him of accountability by citing things like "It's a collective decision-making process" put Tomlin in a WORSE light than simply holding him accountable.

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 Post subject: Re: AFCN round up
PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:57 am 
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Like to see Kizer beat balt today and Thomas stone Judon Bowser. Quality city that Baltimore. Bike share program just shut down permanently, most of the bikes were stolen.


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 Post subject: Re: AFCN round up
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:39 am 
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Browns v Rats.

Man this was frustrating watch. Browns moved ball all over the field but bad pens and some mind boggling turnovers handed Rats an easy win.

Turnovers for Browns: 5.

4 Ints and 1 fumble.

The first was a fumble. Kizer held the ball way the fuck to long he could've dumped it off to RB, ran or thrown it away. He kept holding it and Suggs after 6 sec or so stripped him and Rats recovered and had short drive for 1st TD.

The second was a frustrating Int. Browns driving had 3rd and 5 at Balt 24 yard line. Kizer had Duke Johnson open in the flat with only a slightly out of position Weddle between him and 1st down. Kizer made a horrible throw Johnson lunged at and deflected for Weddle to make a good play on diving Int. This highlights why I believe Kizer is fool's gold he can look good for a few series then gift other team a turnover on a simple throw.

The third...Rats missed long FG set up Browns nicely down 7 at midfield. Browns began moving the ball then of course the stupid began to roll: false start followed by Hogan (in for Kizer) on the run with numerous options to throw to...fires on right into triple coverage gifting Ravens another Int. Rats promptly scored right before half.

The fourth and the game clincher. Browns drive inside Rats 5 yard line then try as daft a Qb draw as I've see since Arians circa Jags 07 playoffs: 4 yard loss. Then on 2nd down Britt beats Webb on drag route in end zone all Kizer has to do is lead him and it is an easy 6. He throws ball so far behind WR he almost threw it directly to Webb. Yet another gift turnover. Anyone sensing a theme here?

The fifth with an outside shot of getting back into it Browns begin driving again. Kizer rolls out of pocket with time and open receiver right in front of him for easy first: Britt who'd beaten Jimmy Smith but oh no Kizer decides to go down field into double coverage...no prizes for guessing what happened next.

Ok rookies:

Browns:
Kizer was absolutely atrocious, missed open receivers all over the field and as noted above his turnover spree was almost 100% of his own doing.
Peppers had a decent ball game.
Njoku was ok but had a bad drop

Ravens:
Hump: played 3 snaps in coverage one of which his man stood and did nothing, other pass rush took care of things and 3rd Kizer made a poor throw on open receiver underneath which he had to reach back for and Hump made tackle for short gain
Bowser: he had a sack...he can thank Suggs for. Bowser was blocked well up the arc by RT and Suggs rush forced Hogan to step up in pocket and right into Bowser. On Int he was beneficiary of Hogan drilling ball into triple coverage. Outside of those 2 plays the RT dominated him, he didn't get close once and often TEs handled him fairly easily. This is why I constantly tell folks you need to watch all the snaps and not make judgments on a few plays. Bowser frankly looked ugh.
Williams: had some really good rushes especially at the end of game when it looked like Thomas was exhausted but fair is fair Williams ended game with a great edge rush that beat Thomas easily.

Judon not a rookie but saw someone was interested: he looked every bit as poor if not worse than Bowser. He put on weight in off season and explosive step he had as a rookie off the edge has all but disappeared.


Injuries:
Yanda walked off the field so I was surprised when news came back of him having fracture. As I watched a ton of AFCN football I have seen Yanda a fair bit. He is the best OG in football and has been for some time. His pass pro is just unreal and his run blocking isn't far behind. No way Ravens can replace him or come close. This is a massive loss. That line will get a huge test next week when it has to deal with Malik Jackson if he is in the mood.

Brandon Williams also got hurt not sure how serious it is.

Overall: have to say despite big time pressure and having fuck all outside of Maclin and ancient Ben Watson to throw to Flacco had a very good game.

The best player for Rats though was Suggs. He really makes that D go.

Other notes:
Weddle has lost a step. He got beat badly a few times in coverage, he was never the fastest but now he looks slower.
20 for Browns is really good young CB. Shut Wallace and Perriman the fuck down. They barely registered.
Perriman looks more clueless than Sammy Coates. Dropped a pass and then did a milk carton for rest of game.
Jefferson can bring the lumber but he isn't great in coverage.
Moseley is having a great start to season. Doesn't have Shazier's explosion but makes all the little plays and rarely misses a tackle.
Ogbah had a really nice game.
Ronnie Stanley has been poor back to back weeks. He missed a bunch of pre/camp so maybe rusty but 44 beat him badly 3-4 times round the edge.
Hogan looked better than Kizer surprised Browns didn't stick with him.


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