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Pretty sure he has a house here. Plus Mike was staying with his brother.

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Timmons and Mike Pouncey were displaced by the hurricane and came to Pittsburgh to wait it out.

Both attended Steelers practice on Friday. Timmons didn't return i guess.


Glad to hear that. I was hoping it wasn't anything bad. He epitomized Steelers football for a decade.

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As much as we bitch about the Steelers. The players seem to love it in Pittsburgh. Timmons may have gotten a shell shock into how other organizations operate/function or dysfunction.

Yup.
He could have flown to NYC. Washington, Boston, or any other east coast city.
But landed in Pittsburgh.

As Tomlins first ever pick.....
I can see him back in Pittsburgh down the road as a vet. min. depth role player.
See Larry Foote. Gay, Plax, etc..


I'd be fine with that

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Timmons and Mike Pouncey were displaced by the hurricane and came to Pittsburgh to wait it out.

Both attended Steelers practice on Friday. Timmons didn't return i guess.


Glad to hear that. I was hoping it wasn't anything bad. He epitomized Steelers football for a decade.


Sorry to confuse the situation. I guess the visit to practice was last Friday after their game was postponed.

Sure seems like he misses the Steelers.

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 Post subject: Re: Slightly OT: Timmons
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It seems Timmons was in LA with the Dolfins all week. Went AWOL on Saturday, but if I'm reading this right, they eventually found out where he is/was.
It doesn't appear that he is in trouble or danger...just POed or concerned about something.

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Rumored he could be cut this afternoon...We shall see

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 Post subject: Re: Slightly OT: Timmons
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And ESPN article said he was getting checked by a doctor.

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After dealing with what one source described as "a personal matter" this weekend, Miami Dolphins linebacker Lawrence Timmons is scheduled to meet Monday with doctors to try to figure out what is wrong, per sources.

Miami Dolphins linebacker Lawrence Timmons was ruled inactive after going AWOL from the team on Saturday, which also ended Timmons' streak of 101 consecutive starts.

One source said Timmons is "doing much better [Monday] and wants to resume playing immediately" with the hope that he will practice this week. But first come the doctor visits.

The Dolphins are unsure what the issue is with Timmons, but one league source said he does not believe it is the early onset of CTE. "No one has ever seen anything like it," one source said.

The 31-year-old Timmons, entering his 11th NFL season, was dealing with his personal matter Saturday and returned to the team early Sunday morning before the Dolphins decided he wasn't in a good place to play against the Los Angeles Chargers. His streak of 101 consecutive starts was snapped.

Following the Dolphins' 19-17 victory over the Chargers, coach Adam Gase would only say that Timmons didn't play Sunday due to a coach's decision.

"I need to figure some things out before I talk about this," he said.

Miami signed Timmons to a two-year, $10 million contract in March. He was the team's starting outside linebacker all throughout training camp and leading into the regular season.

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Phins called the FBI looking for him as a missing person last weekend. Savran reporting that they think he may have CTE issues.


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TMZ Sports reports the Dolphins filed a missing persons report for SLB Lawrence Timmons on Saturday.

Timmons was reportedly not in his room at curfew, and the team could not find him despite calling family and close friends. Timmons was eventually found at the airport early Sunday morning in the boarding area for a flight headed to Pennsylvania, which is where his child lives. Timmons returned to the team on Monday, but his future with the team remains muddled.

Source: TMZ Sep 18 - 12:39 PM


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If this is what it sounds like, I hope he just retires.


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 Post subject: Re: Slightly OT: Timmons
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I had the good fortune to work with many players suffering from post-concussion issues (almost certainly some level of CTE). If what is going on is in fact mental health/cte related, I hope he has a strong support system and can find the help he needs to manage. Most players, unfortunately, do not. Once the money and prestige dries up, so does their entourage. And help is not easily asked for nor readily available.

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If this is the onset of CTE at 31, I'd say it's time to find a soccer team to root for.


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 Post subject: Re: Slightly OT: Timmons
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it's still yggy wrote:
If this is the onset of CTE at 31, I'd say it's time to find a soccer team to root for.


Seriously. If this is what is happening how in the hell can we root for these guys to bang into each other if it means dementia at 31?


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Orangesteel wrote:
it's still yggy wrote:
If this is the onset of CTE at 31, I'd say it's time to find a soccer team to root for.


Seriously. If this is what is happening how in the hell can we root for these guys to bang into each other if it means dementia at 31?


That's where I am at this point. Many here would call me a pussy for it, or for refusing to let my kids play football.


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 Post subject: Re: Slightly OT: Timmons
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Holy shit. Talk about jumping the gun. Everyone screams CTE at the first sign of something unusual.

I read the posts here.

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.......does not thing it is CTE relate.

.....was headed to Pennsylvania where his child lives.


hell, the one article insinuates that Miami knew he was dealing with a personal issue.

There could be a thousand reason he took off.

I don't think after 10 years of playing for the Steelers, he goes to a new team and CTE just kicks in.

Seems he is more likely dealing with some family stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: Slightly OT: Timmons
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R S wrote:

I read the posts here.




Perhaps, but apparently you did not comprehend them.

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If what is going on is in fact mental health/cte related


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 Post subject: Re: Slightly OT: Timmons
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Dolphins coach Adam Gase is unsure if SLB Lawrence Timmons will remain with the team going forward.

Timmons is dealing with a personal situation. He was back with the team on Monday. Expect clarity to emerge some time in the next 48 hours.

Source: Barry Jackson on Twitter Sep 18 - 3:13 PM

Hope everything works out for him, whatever it is. Way underrated during his time here. Watched him play in the preseason and he could still play for us and upgrade our overall ILB room, imo.


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 Post subject: Re: Slightly OT: Timmons
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I think the reason we are concerned is because he was the consummate pro while he was here and this doesn't seem normal at all. Not really sure what is going on, but if it is a health issue I know the steelers organization will do what's right.


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 Post subject: Re: Slightly OT: Timmons
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Orangesteel wrote:
it's still yggy wrote:
If this is the onset of CTE at 31, I'd say it's time to find a soccer team to root for.


Seriously. If this is what is happening how in the hell can we root for these guys to bang into each other if it means dementia at 31?


My issue is if they know the risks or not. The NFL not actively trying to cover it up anymore is an important step.
The guys all the way up through the last decade, they had little to no idea. We used to love NFL films blooper reels of them getting clocked and stumbling around.

A player now has a better idea what is coming and how full of shit the NFL's studies and surveys on long-term player mental health and are at least in a better position to assess the risks objectively. The league is also taking better care of them now when concussions happen (although, that system is still getting gamed and there is still a lot to fix).
Some guys are still of the mentality they don't care about what happens later, they want to take care of them and theirs right now, and if it means sacrificing their mind and body, so be it. If those guys know the risks and still want to play, I will still enjoy watching them excel at what very few people on planet earth can do.

All said, I would be very sad if we find Timmons was dealing with mental health issues. That guy ran through brick walls for the Black and Gold every Sunday for decades, never bitched, never complained. He played at a pro-bowl level (even if he didn't get the actual accolades) on some very good defenses. I loved Timmons as a player, and I just hope he's OK and this is a bunch of nothing.

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 Post subject: Re: Slightly OT: Timmons
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DrMalba wrote:

My issue is if they know the risks or not. The NFL not actively trying to cover it up anymore is an important step.
The guys all the way up through the last decade, they had little to no idea. We used to love NFL films blooper reels of them getting clocked and stumbling around.

A player now has a better idea what is coming and how full of shit the NFL's studies and surveys on long-term player mental health and are at least in a better position to assess the risks objectively. The league is also taking better care of them now when concussions happen (although, that system is still getting gamed and there is still a lot to fix).
Some guys are still of the mentality they don't care about what happens later, they want to take care of them and theirs right now, and if it means sacrificing their mind and body, so be it. If those guys know the risks and still want to play, I will still enjoy watching them excel at what very few people on planet earth can do.

All said, I would be very sad if we find Timmons was dealing with mental health issues. That guy ran through brick walls for the Black and Gold every Sunday for decades, never bitched, never complained. He played at a pro-bowl level (even if he didn't get the actual accolades) on some very good defenses. I loved Timmons as a player, and I just hope he's OK and this is a bunch of nothing.



I generally agree with you re awareness of risk is the most important factor (although, we can get into a whole other debate about whether they really had another choice), but the NFL is still actively seeking to minimize the links between football and CTE. It was carved out of the concussion settlement. Every time a study shows a link, they refute it, or cautiously say "more research is needed." They're still being deceptive.

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 Post subject: Re: Slightly OT: Timmons
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SteelKnife wrote:
DrMalba wrote:

My issue is if they know the risks or not. The NFL not actively trying to cover it up anymore is an important step.
The guys all the way up through the last decade, they had little to no idea. We used to love NFL films blooper reels of them getting clocked and stumbling around.

A player now has a better idea what is coming and how full of shit the NFL's studies and surveys on long-term player mental health and are at least in a better position to assess the risks objectively. The league is also taking better care of them now when concussions happen (although, that system is still getting gamed and there is still a lot to fix).
Some guys are still of the mentality they don't care about what happens later, they want to take care of them and theirs right now, and if it means sacrificing their mind and body, so be it. If those guys know the risks and still want to play, I will still enjoy watching them excel at what very few people on planet earth can do.

All said, I would be very sad if we find Timmons was dealing with mental health issues. That guy ran through brick walls for the Black and Gold every Sunday for decades, never bitched, never complained. He played at a pro-bowl level (even if he didn't get the actual accolades) on some very good defenses. I loved Timmons as a player, and I just hope he's OK and this is a bunch of nothing.



I generally agree with you, but the NFL is still actively seeking to minimize the links between football and CTE. It was carved out of the concussion settlement. Every time a study shows a link, they refute it, or cautiously say "more research is needed." They're still being deceptive.

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 Post subject: Re: Slightly OT: Timmons
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Laying the Wood wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:
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If this is the onset of CTE at 31, I'd say it's time to find a soccer team to root for.


Seriously. If this is what is happening how in the hell can we root for these guys to bang into each other if it means dementia at 31?


That's where I am at this point. Many here would call me a pussy for it, or for refusing to let my kids play football.

Why is it spiking now? Is it that much worse than 10 years ago? 20?

Practice was padded and rough
receivers and WRs got hit with impunity
few player protection rules
no concussion protocol
primitive helmet technology

Why wasn't nearly every retired player suffering from significant symptoms? If anything, the incidence should be decreasing, not accelerating.

Of course, awareness is a huge factor-- but stories about older generation players' issues centered around their knees and fingers-- not their punch-drunkeness.

Furthermore, like race car drivers and boxers, et al, they get paid 3000 times more than teachers because of the risks. We watch because of the risks and the dangers and the pain and those who overcome those obstacles to do incredible things.

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We watch because of the risks and the dangers and the pain and those who overcome those obstacles to do incredible things.
Not disputing what you are saying, but incredible things is subject to interpretation. Guys chasing each other on a grassy field is entertainment for those that watch, but its actual contribution to society is not much more than gladiators fighting lions or each other. They've just incorporated technology and scientific advancements coupled with capitalism to fuel a portion of the economy. It positively affects a very small proportion of the demographic. i.e. Owners/ corporate sponsorship and the media; lifting a few people out of poverty. If football went away tomorrow, I'm not sure society would be at a great loss. Instead of developing rehab/ surgical and performance enhancing techniques for players, society would hopefully be giving that attention to the handicapped, the poor, etc. And soccer. :o ;)

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I'm not even arguing that it's good for society-- just that they'd have been much better off never downplaying the risks. You knew when you signed up that you could get hurt... or worse. It's part of why you get $110M.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
I'm not even arguing that it's good for society-- just that they'd have been much better off never downplaying the risks. You knew when you signed up that you could get hurt... or worse. It's part of why you get $110M.


A couple thoughts...

I don't necessarily think it's more prevalent now, just more visible. The NFL has, rather notoriously, cast many of its retired players aside and failed to provide them basic medical care and pensions until they were forced to. Many of them died before CTE became widely known and accepted -- often times, in their 50s and 60s. I also think the public at large just flat out didn't care about player safety. Hell, many posters on this board today don't give a shit and refuse to acknowledge that CTE is a legitimate condition.

We all just thought Earnie Holmes was nuts for shooting a police helicopter, or that Justin Stzrelczyk snapped out of no where. Or that Mike Webster was merely mentally ill, and it was unrelated to sustaining car-crash-like collisions for almost 20 years.

As for the guys making $110 million... for every one of them, there are countless others who fizzled out of the league in under three years, banking a few hundred thousand dollars and sustaining lifelong injuries in the process.

The biggest distinction I can make is that these guys knew that they were risking knee, shoulder, and back injuries. They signed up for that and the money/glory was worth the risk. I don't think the same can be said of traumatic brain injuries. The NFL knew about concussions and CTE and deliberately misled players on the risks and dangers inherent to playing football. Not only did league officials deny any link between football, concussions, and CTE -- team doctors actively advised players to play through concussions when the risk of more traumatic injury was heightened.

Now, I think the NFL has no choice but to warn players as to the risk of CTE. Why didn't they do it sooner? Because their player base -- peewee, high school, and college players -- would dry up as more and more parents discouraged or disallowed their children from participating. Further, they knew the American public would develop a distaste for watching grown men destroy each other's brains for our amusement.


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