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 Post subject: Re: GET OUT OF MY SPORTS!!!!
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:22 pm 
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Still Lit wrote:
Ok, let's consider my position pretty much refuted.

Observe your comment that you cannot have good education outcomes where there is crime and no economic hope. But we know that good education is the primary correlate to economic status. So you are possibly pointing out a catch-22. Unless the education outcomes improve, there will be no economic improvement and this contributes to crime and lack of economic hope which makes improving outcomes impossible which reinforces no economic hope and crime and so on.

We are in complete agreement that family factors are are absolutely paramount.


Lit you are being very nice and cordial, but this issue is pretty black and white. Guys like Franco (their are millions in the USA) are greedy. They want theirs and as long as they get theirs they dont give a fuck about anyone else. They know they need a certain percentage of the populace to be uneducated and only have the ability to earn the exorbitant salary of $7.75 per hr.. They need those people so they can have someone to pick up their towel at their club, cut their grass cheaply so they can go to their club, shine their $400 loafers, make them their clubhouse sandwich at the club earning $7.75 per hour so the sandwich only costs $8.00 and they keep more for themselves. They are the only ones who studied, worked hard and earned this lavish lifestyle. THEY are special.

Understanding investment in things like public education will only serve to educate their "$7.75 slave" and perhaps cause them to revolt which will drive up the cost of getting their grass cut and clubhouse sandwich are unacceptable. We must have the haves (me) and the have nots (them). So they pay inner city teachers $35,000 a year, they make their parents work for $7.75 per hour, and the vicious cycle of poverty and crime, and drug abuse propagates itself over and over and over, and Franco gets to keep his.

Living in a socialist country I see first hand every day why paying more into social programs benefits ALL of society even for greedy fucks like the Franco's of the world. We dont have any south beaches, or Palm Springs, or Rodeo drives or Mara Lago's to speak of but our society as a whole is much healthier and its because we treat ALL of the sick, we educate ALL of the people, we fix ALL of the roads, we protect ALL of the people equally etc etc etc. As a result our society is much healthier for ALL of the people. There are countless studies conducted annually on happiest countries and the USA always ranks low. Considering it is the richest country in the world should it not also be one of the happiest??. See below. Count down begins for next greedy fucker to tell us why this is not important and erroneous and that pesky things like statistics that threaten their wealth and standard of living (Global warming statistics??) are useless. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

After ranking fourth for the last two years, Norway jumped three spots and displaced three-time winner Denmark to take the title of "world's happiest country" for the first time in 2016.
Denmark dropped to second place this year, followed by Iceland, Switzerland, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand and Australia and Sweden (which tied for ninth place), according to the latest World Happiness Report, released Monday by the Sustainable Development Solutions Network for the United Nations.
Denmark has won the title three of the four times the report has been issued, while Switzerland has won the title just once.
The United States came in 14th place, dropping one place from last yea


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 Post subject: Re: GET OUT OF MY SPORTS!!!!
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:53 pm 
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franco32 wrote:
What a second. I'm supposed to believe that 22 million non-citizens in this country all follow the honor system? Cmon who are we trying to fool here. These elections are razor tight in some cases....especially the electoral college. And, we are to believe there are only 14 people out there voting as non-citizens?

There are very powerful interests out there attacking any sort of study on election integrity. Trump's commission has been trying to get voter info from all the states to further study the issue. Seems harmless right? I mean if there is nothing to hide, why not cooperate? Trump will just look like a fool in the end, right?

Instead, we have States doing everything they can to block information. We have former Obama administration alumni suing the election integrity commission under the little known Paperwork Reduction Act to try to tie them up in court for years. I wonder why?

It doesn't take much to connect the dots here.


This...

Poltargyst, studies can be done to prove anything. And if nobody is checking ID or proving citizenship then your fancy studies are nothing but a waste if time and money. There is only one stat to measure this. Citizen vs non-citizen. ID check. If you can't prove it you can't disprove it either.

What freaking stats are they using if nobody is checking shit at the door? I don't care what their conclusions are because I don't accept their input data to be sufficient.

And if these studies are so great, why not trust them? Why strongly block any efforts to really look into this? You have these studies that say it isn't happening but in an insignificant number. Prove it then. Allow the investigation. You have your studies so what's there to worry about? Or how about just supporting ID laws. What has happened has happened. Make sure it doesn't again. But they won't even do that. And no, it is not for that one bleeding heart out there that just wants to vote so bad but just can't manage to get that elusive ID. For THAT tiny wee bitty segment of people they need to get themselves squared away before they have a say in someone else's life. Getting an ID has never been an issue in this country. That's a myth. You aren't getting on no social assistance without some form of ID. So there isn't even a segment of people. Illegals don't have ID. Oh wait, except for the ones who got them from DMV. Oh and guess what, automatically registered to vote. It happens. Especially in CA.

And they aren't catching people voting illegally because THEY ARENT LOOKING. They have said they aren't looking. People know they aren't looking. So how can you get caught? By who? Men in Black?

This is elementary stuff. I said I was done. If you want to keep debating with me come back with something of substance. Otherwise, just assume Franco's or Kodiak's response if they so choose to be what I'd likely say because they seem to have a reasonable opinion on these matters.

There be no illegals voting cuz we ain't caught nones yet. Ummm are you looking?

Lastly, I live in CA. The Hispanic community here hates Donald Trump. They loathe him. They want him dead.

But they are not going to vote right? Come on. Defies any logic.

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 Post subject: Re: GET OUT OF MY SPORTS!!!!
PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:21 pm 
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Lastly, I live in CA. The Hispanic community here hates Donald Trump. They loathe him. They want him dead.


It ain't just the Hispanic community, I can assure you of that.

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 Post subject: Re: GET OUT OF MY SPORTS!!!!
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I keep seeing this question of "noncitizens want benefits! They hate Trump! Why wouldn't they vote???"

Maybe because it's ILLEGAL, and they don't want to get caught? I'll double check, but I think a conviction of voter fraud can get you five years in prison, a $10,000 fine and if you're a noncitizen, deportation.

Why wouldn't they vote??? Maybe the threat of prison and deportation stops them?


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 Post subject: Re: GET OUT OF MY SPORTS!!!!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:43 am 
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Not to get in the way of a voter fraud argument...An article showing the political leanings of sports fans for major sports. The NFL is the only one that is mostly neutral.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ho ... litically/

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The showdown between President Trump and the NFL over some players’ decision to kneel during the national anthem to protest racial injustice has raised all kinds of important issues. It’s also put the most popular major sports league in the United States in a difficult position. The NFL’s fan base is much more bipartisan than those of other major sports leagues, and it risks angering one side or the other if it mishandles the situation.

Pro football is unique in that its fandom stretches across partisan lines. Using Google Trends to measure fan interest for a given media market in the United States,1 we calculated the percentage of search traffic over the previous five years for each region related to each of the major professional sports leagues (NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL), as well as college football, college basketball and NASCAR.2 We then compared it to Trump’s vote share in last year’s presidential election in each market. (You can find that data on GitHub here.)

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 Post subject: Re: GET OUT OF MY SPORTS!!!!
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:47 am 
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Stinger8 wrote:

After ranking fourth for the last two years, Norway jumped three spots and displaced three-time winner Denmark to take the title of "world's happiest country" for the first time in 2016.
Denmark dropped to second place this year, followed by Iceland, Switzerland, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand and Australia and Sweden (which tied for ninth place), according to the latest World Happiness Report, released Monday by the Sustainable Development Solutions Network for the United Nations.
Denmark has won the title three of the four times the report has been issued, while Switzerland has won the title just once.
The United States came in 14th place, dropping one place from last year


I can't believe the USA ranks THAT HIGH? Everyone is always pissed off or offended about something.


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 Post subject: Re: GET OUT OF MY SPORTS!!!!
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:16 am 
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Still Lit wrote:
Ok, let's consider my position pretty much refuted.

Observe your comment that you cannot have good education outcomes where there is crime and no economic hope. But we know that good education is the primary correlate to economic status. So you are possibly pointing out a catch-22. Unless the education outcomes improve, there will be no economic improvement and this contributes to crime and lack of economic hope which makes improving outcomes impossible which reinforces no economic hope and crime and so on.

We are in complete agreement that family factors are are absolutely paramount.


Lit you are being very nice and cordial, but this issue is pretty black and white. Guys like Franco (their are millions in the USA) are greedy. They want theirs and as long as they get theirs they dont give a fuck about anyone else. They know they need a certain percentage of the populace to be uneducated and only have the ability to earn the exorbitant salary of $7.75 per hr.. They need those people so they can have someone to pick up their towel at their club, cut their grass cheaply so they can go to their club, shine their $400 loafers, make them their clubhouse sandwich at the club earning $7.75 per hour so the sandwich only costs $8.00 and they keep more for themselves. They are the only ones who studied, worked hard and earned this lavish lifestyle. THEY are special.

Understanding investment in things like public education will only serve to educate their "$7.75 slave" and perhaps cause them to revolt which will drive up the cost of getting their grass cut and clubhouse sandwich are unacceptable. We must have the haves (me) and the have nots (them). So they pay inner city teachers $35,000 a year, they make their parents work for $7.75 per hour, and the vicious cycle of poverty and crime, and drug abuse propagates itself over and over and over, and Franco gets to keep his.

Living in a socialist country I see first hand every day why paying more into social programs benefits ALL of society even for greedy fucks like the Franco's of the world. We dont have any south beaches, or Palm Springs, or Rodeo drives or Mara Lago's to speak of but our society as a whole is much healthier and its because we treat ALL of the sick, we educate ALL of the people, we fix ALL of the roads, we protect ALL of the people equally etc etc etc. As a result our society is much healthier for ALL of the people. There are countless studies conducted annually on happiest countries and the USA always ranks low. Considering it is the richest country in the world should it not also be one of the happiest??. See below. Count down begins for next greedy fucker to tell us why this is not important and erroneous and that pesky things like statistics that threaten their wealth and standard of living (Global warming statistics??) are useless. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

After ranking fourth for the last two years, Norway jumped three spots and displaced three-time winner Denmark to take the title of "world's happiest country" for the first time in 2016.
Denmark dropped to second place this year, followed by Iceland, Switzerland, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand and Australia and Sweden (which tied for ninth place), according to the latest World Happiness Report, released Monday by the Sustainable Development Solutions Network for the United Nations.
Denmark has won the title three of the four times the report has been issued, while Switzerland has won the title just once.
The United States came in 14th place, dropping one place from last yea


Norway has roughly the population of Colorado with a VERY homogenous population and a massive amount of natural resources per capita. Which I'm sure you know if you live there. Apples to Oranges would be an understatement.

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 Post subject: Re: GET OUT OF MY SPORTS!!!!
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:36 am 
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Stinger8 wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
Ok, let's consider my position pretty much refuted.

Observe your comment that you cannot have good education outcomes where there is crime and no economic hope. But we know that good education is the primary correlate to economic status. So you are possibly pointing out a catch-22. Unless the education outcomes improve, there will be no economic improvement and this contributes to crime and lack of economic hope which makes improving outcomes impossible which reinforces no economic hope and crime and so on.

We are in complete agreement that family factors are are absolutely paramount.


Lit you are being very nice and cordial, but this issue is pretty black and white. Guys like Franco (their are millions in the USA) are greedy. They want theirs and as long as they get theirs they dont give a fuck about anyone else. They know they need a certain percentage of the populace to be uneducated and only have the ability to earn the exorbitant salary of $7.75 per hr.. They need those people so they can have someone to pick up their towel at their club, cut their grass cheaply so they can go to their club, shine their $400 loafers, make them their clubhouse sandwich at the club earning $7.75 per hour so the sandwich only costs $8.00 and they keep more for themselves. They are the only ones who studied, worked hard and earned this lavish lifestyle. THEY are special.

Understanding investment in things like public education will only serve to educate their "$7.75 slave" and perhaps cause them to revolt which will drive up the cost of getting their grass cut and clubhouse sandwich are unacceptable. We must have the haves (me) and the have nots (them). So they pay inner city teachers $35,000 a year, they make their parents work for $7.75 per hour, and the vicious cycle of poverty and crime, and drug abuse propagates itself over and over and over, and Franco gets to keep his.

Living in a socialist country I see first hand every day why paying more into social programs benefits ALL of society even for greedy fucks like the Franco's of the world. We dont have any south beaches, or Palm Springs, or Rodeo drives or Mara Lago's to speak of but our society as a whole is much healthier and its because we treat ALL of the sick, we educate ALL of the people, we fix ALL of the roads, we protect ALL of the people equally etc etc etc. As a result our society is much healthier for ALL of the people. There are countless studies conducted annually on happiest countries and the USA always ranks low. Considering it is the richest country in the world should it not also be one of the happiest??. See below. Count down begins for next greedy fucker to tell us why this is not important and erroneous and that pesky things like statistics that threaten their wealth and standard of living (Global warming statistics??) are useless. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

After ranking fourth for the last two years, Norway jumped three spots and displaced three-time winner Denmark to take the title of "world's happiest country" for the first time in 2016.
Denmark dropped to second place this year, followed by Iceland, Switzerland, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand and Australia and Sweden (which tied for ninth place), according to the latest World Happiness Report, released Monday by the Sustainable Development Solutions Network for the United Nations.
Denmark has won the title three of the four times the report has been issued, while Switzerland has won the title just once.
The United States came in 14th place, dropping one place from last yea


Norway has roughly the population of Colorado with a VERY homogenous population and a massive amount of natural resources per capita. Which I'm sure you know if you live there. Apples to Oranges would be an understatement.


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 Post subject: Re: GET OUT OF MY SPORTS!!!!
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2096 ... -flag-play

What will he do if the players call his bluff?

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I want to know who decides what is political and what is not.

The mention of pence bailing on a game as a political stunt is verboten.

But mentions of Castro or Venezuela to prove a political point are OK? It's a fine line, and someone has to be the ombudsman. Unfortunately, there is nobody qualified to be that person.

There has to be a better way.

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