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It's a good thing Kodiak and 955876 will be dead when the federal law mandating a universal income is passed after the robots have replaced most human labor within the next 100 years.

Some of you think the Wealth of Nations and the Communist Manifesto are the polar documents of modernity. You're wrong. The real document of modernity is Descartes' Discourse. The goal of modernity is not to make money. The goal of modernity is to master and control nature for human benefit and, as Descartes puts it, free us up to do as we wish. If we think dishwashers and agricultural technology afforded us more leisure, we ain't seen nothing yet.

Capitalism vs Socialism is moot.

Automation is rapidly expanding. AI is coming. There will not be enough jobs to go around. Universal income is coming. Even the financial analyst will go by wayside when the algorithms and AI advance far enough.

Work has defined who we are in the West since the collapse of feudalism. That era is on the verge of ending.


I don't doubt this. But I also think it would lead to the downfall of human kind. What would 95% of the population do all day without any type of work? Look at the inner cities now. It would turn to chaos. I see why Musk is so afraid of AI. It won't be some Terminator like scenario on AI killing humans, it will be bored, unmotivated humans with no drive in life to better themselves either killing one another or eating and drinking themselves to death.


Stock up on guns & ammo now.


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BethlehemSteel wrote:
Lit wants chaos :P


As they say..."those who can, do....those who can't,teach"

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Kodiak wrote:
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Lit wants chaos :P


As they say..."those who can, do....those who can't,teach"


As Aristotle says, those who suppose that thinking is not an activity least of all understand what it means to be engaged in activity. See his Politics, book seven, chapter iii. That's cute that you think that all university faculty do is teach.

Please let me know what you "do" for a living so I can belittle it. It will not be difficult.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mothership is Afire
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:41 am 
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Stock up on guns & ammo now.


So tell me something....

When you are attempting to traverse the Ayn Rand hellscape youve created how far are guns and ammo going to get you ?


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Kodiak wrote:
:o :o :o
You must have reading comprehension issues. I never said they were "doing fine." I readily admitted at the time I did not even know since I've not looked into the financials. Your attempt to prove something is cute, disingenuous, and inaccurate. Nice try.

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SteelerChef wrote:
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Stock up on guns & ammo now.


So tell me something....

When you are attempting to traverse the Ayn Rand hellscape youve created how far are guns and ammo going to get you ?


Better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mothership is Afire
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:34 pm 
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Stock up on guns & ammo now.


So tell me something....

When you are attempting to traverse the Ayn Rand hellscape youve created how far are guns and ammo going to get you ?


Better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.


Thats not my question.

Your the one who referenced impending doom. How exactly are guns and ammo going to help that ?


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Depends on the type of doom.

And was I the one that referenced it? Don’t think so. Just made a comment to another post.

In any event, this is hardly worthy of debate.

I have my safe stocked with various items that could provide useful at some unknown point in time.

And if there is never a need all the better. Plus, these things don’t really depreciate so not a horrible allocation of some resources.


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You must have reading comprehension issues. I never said they were "doing fine." I readily admitted at the time I did not even know since I've not looked into the financials. Your attempt to prove something is cute, disingenuous, and inaccurate. Nice try.


Nice duck and dodge. What you basically said was "show me the proof they aren't doing well", while admitting you never looked into it yourself. It's a passive aggressive way of arguing what you want to believe while trying to cover or excuse the fact you have no idea what you're talking about. So just lazy, Intellectually dishonest or intentionally ignorant....or did you hit the trifecta?

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:o :o :o
You must have reading comprehension issues. I never said they were "doing fine." I readily admitted at the time I did not even know since I've not looked into the financials. Your attempt to prove something is cute, disingenuous, and inaccurate. Nice try.


Nice duck and dodge. What you basically said was "show me the proof they aren't doing well", while admitting you never looked into it yourself. It's a passive aggressive way of arguing what you want to believe while trying to cover or excuse the fact you have no idea what you're talking about. So just lazy, Intellectually dishonest or intentionally ignorant....or did you hit the trifecta?
Yeah, uh huh. What I basically said? :lol: :lol:

Keep up the alternate reality. It's quite entertaining. Please don't stop. Keep digging yourself into a hole.

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Speaking of ducks and dodges, I never did catch what you do for a living, Kodiak.

Do you mean to tell me that even with the anonymity of the internet you're such a giant pussy that you won't tell?

Say it ain't so.

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It's getting quite bitchy in here. reeks of pussy

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 Post subject: Re: The Mothership is Afire
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Still Lit wrote:
Speaking of ducks and dodges, I never did catch what you do for a living, Kodiak.

Do you mean to tell me that even with the anonymity of the internet you're such a giant pussy that you won't tell?

Say it ain't so.


I work in PE....not a pussy, just not an ignorant academic hiding behind my books.

I've never hidden my education nor what I do for a living, but I don't wear it on my sleeve because appeals to authority are the purview of lazy intellectuals.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mothership is Afire
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Kodiak wrote:
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Speaking of ducks and dodges, I never did catch what you do for a living, Kodiak.

Do you mean to tell me that even with the anonymity of the internet you're such a giant pussy that you won't tell?

Say it ain't so.


I work in PE....not a pussy, just not an ignorant academic hiding behind my books.

I've never hidden my education nor what I do for a living, but I don't wear it on my sleeve because appeals to authority are the purview of lazy intellectuals.


Uh, there was a thread a long time ago asking what Fury readers do for a living. I said I taught liberal arts. Now people routinely bring it up. The idea that I wear what I do on my sleeve as some sort of authority marker is absurd. I tell my students that I am not some kind of infallible authority nor some kind of fount indespensible truth. I'll tell you now the same thing. Hell yes I'm ignorant. Which is why...

I like reading great books in the Western canon. I like thinking and writing about great books in the Western canon. For some strange reason, circumstances exist that I actually get paid to do what I would be doing in my free time. Even stranger circumstances have made it such that I get paid to read and reflect on these questions unencumbered from the end of May until the end of August every year. Can you imagine if you had nearly four months off a year with pay to do precisely what you love? And if you did, would you be spending that time doing PE? Which also shows you what you think of the value of the activity of PE for your own personal happiness.

For some strange reason, you think it is a sign of inability that someone would choose to spend their lives reading and thinking about people like Newton, Shakespeare, or Hegel as opposed to...

PE? Fine. In some capacity you exercise a skill that contributes to investment for profit, possibly involving research and analysis of targets for investment. (Work in PE is rather vague, of course.). You spend your waking, working life organized around the accumulation of capital via investment strategy.

And you think this a more worthy endeavor for yorself than spending your time reading and thinking about great books?

I never had any intention of making fun of what you do. That's a petty thing that a petty person does.

But I will say this. If I had to choose between spending my time thinking about Plato or Nozick or which companies to target for buyout or investment, I'm going to reach for the books every time. And for this you want to belittle me? That's weird.

p.s. If your firm is retained by a university for enriching its endowments, possibly even mine, I thank you for being an instrument of my happiness.

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I always thought PE was Phys. Ed....shows how much I know.

We do a couple things on this esteemed website:
-Talk Steeler football
-Gove each other shit

For all of the angst & bellyaching that goes on here about not wanting this place to turn into Stillers.com, it was Stillers.com that started this fine tradition of, for the most part, saying the fuck what we want, with the exception of when a particularly pacified colleague or two turn to the site's gendarmes, some of whom operate under cover (that would be YOU, B2B)....to admonish someone who called them a name ("sticks and stones"). It was on Stillers.com during the glorious off-season of 2006, with PEIS (Post-Euphoric Immersion Syndrome), that a number of What and Where Do You Asshats...threads were populated:
-What do you Asshats do for Work?
-What do you Asshats look like?
-Where do you Asshats live?
-How Old are you Asshats?
So...let's not be too quick to denigrate the old site, which is still up and running, not so popular, still headed by Mill, who once sent me a pic where I mistakenly took Hines Ward to be a member of his family.

Having said all that....good to see Lit is still unsurpassed with the level of Mumbo-Jumbo. Carry on, Professor.


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By the way Swiss, you should hit Hesske (sic) up about whether you should read Paul Fussel's Class: A Guide Through the American Status System so you can see where you fit.

Iirc Hesske teaches literature so he will likely smile upon reading the words 'Paul' and 'Fussell'.

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Still Lit wrote:
By the way Swiss, you should hit Hesske (sic) up about whether you should read Paul Fussel's Class: A Guide Through the American Status System so you can see where you fit.

Iirc Hesske teaches literature so he will likely smile upon reading the words 'Paul' and 'Fussell'.


I'm in touch with Hesske almost daily, Lit...more often on both college and pro game days. He's free of mumbo-jumbo, so must not be a pre-requisite to teach on a college level.

I'm sure he'll see your post and email me about it. Meanwhile, I'll check it out.

Gotta say, Lit, I've had one experience as an adjunct at the local community college....caused me tremendous stress.


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By the way Swiss, you should hit Hesske (sic) up about whether you should read Paul Fussel's Class: A Guide Through the American Status System so you can see where you fit.

Iirc Hesske teaches literature so he will likely smile upon reading the words 'Paul' and 'Fussell'.


I'm in touch with Hesske almost daily, Lit...more often on both college and pro game days. He's free of mumbo-jumbo, so must not be a pre-requisite to teach on a college level.

I'm sure he'll see your post and email me about it. Meanwhile, I'll check it out.

Gotta say, Lit, I've had one experience as an adjunct at the local community college....caused me tremendous stress.


Lol.

Check out Richard Russo's Straight Man. Not only will you laugh your ass off reading it, but it will bring back fond memories of teaching at a community college.

Were you stressed by the teaching or the being abused with terrible pay?

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Still Lit wrote:
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By the way Swiss, you should hit Hesske (sic) up about whether you should read Paul Fussel's Class: A Guide Through the American Status System so you can see where you fit.

Iirc Hesske teaches literature so he will likely smile upon reading the words 'Paul' and 'Fussell'.


I'm in touch with Hesske almost daily, Lit...more often on both college and pro game days. He's free of mumbo-jumbo, so must not be a pre-requisite to teach on a college level.

I'm sure he'll see your post and email me about it. Meanwhile, I'll check it out.

Gotta say, Lit, I've had one experience as an adjunct at the local community college....caused me tremendous stress.


Lol.

Check out Richard Russo's Straight Man. Not only will you laugh your ass off reading it, but it will bring back fond memories of teaching at a community college.

Were you stressed by the teaching or the being abused with terrible pay?


Pay was okay...anything would've been okay. I think it was $1900 for the semester....two hour class on Tuesdays, one hour on Thursday. Course was Non-Profit Management. My problem was not knowing how to make my students responsible for anything. So typically, I'd be at work on Tuesday morning, saying to myself....."What the FUCK am I going to talk about for two hours???"

I was big on guest speakers....had about four of those for the two hour block over the course of the semester.

Very popular with my students, which I leaned on far more than I should have was, "Dave's Week," where I would just talk about what I had done all week. They told me that they liked, compared to their other instructors, that I was still working in the field that I was teaching.

Best part, one of my students came to work for me....stuck around for five years....he was an EXCELLENT staff member.


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Swiss, if only you had had a reservoir of mumbo jumbo at your service, you would not have wanted for discussion material.

I am quite sure that you were great fun in the classroom.

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That was a bunch of hot air Cor-Ten. You have been running around bashing capitalism like it stole your one and only girlfriend or something since you began frequenting this site.

You go out of your way to ad an anti-capitalist rant even when it’s not the topic of discussion. That’s the irritating part. I don’t get “triggered”. What I get is an opportunity to call you on things.

And while there are various & different types of economic subsets, the main two economic types are capitalism & socialism.

So if you hate one, it leads to one assuming you prefer the other.

The topic here is the declining quality of BSPN’s product and like clockwork here you are using as yet another excuse to get a dig at capitalism.

Capiatalism isn’t perfect. No system is. Nor do I “hold it dear”. But show me a successful socialist that isn’t part of the government mechanism.



I am a Canadian hence I live in a socialist leaning country. I am very happy living in said environment. In Canada (like the vast majority of socialist countries I.E. Scandinavia, Germany, Japan, Australia, Belgium, Austria, etc) according to metrics we have a better health care system for everyone than the USA, we have a better public education system than the USA, we have lower infant mortality rates than the USA, lower levels of poverty than the USA,significantly lower crime rates than the USA, lower levels of drug abuse than the USA, SIGNIFICANTLY lower levels of racism than the USA, cleaner air and water than the USA etc. What we do not have is as many rich people per capita than the USA. I would rather sacrifice some of my wealth for the good of the overall populace and live in a relatively safe, clean, happy and healthy environment.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:23 pm 
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That was a bunch of hot air Cor-Ten. You have been running around bashing capitalism like it stole your one and only girlfriend or something since you began frequenting this site.

You go out of your way to ad an anti-capitalist rant even when it’s not the topic of discussion. That’s the irritating part. I don’t get “triggered”. What I get is an opportunity to call you on things.

And while there are various & different types of economic subsets, the main two economic types are capitalism & socialism.

So if you hate one, it leads to one assuming you prefer the other.

The topic here is the declining quality of BSPN’s product and like clockwork here you are using as yet another excuse to get a dig at capitalism.

Capiatalism isn’t perfect. No system is. Nor do I “hold it dear”. But show me a successful socialist that isn’t part of the government mechanism.



I am a Canadian hence I live in a socialist leaning country. I am very happy living in said environment. In Canada (like the vast majority of socialist countries I.E. Scandinavia, Germany, Japan, Australia, Belgium, Austria, etc) according to metrics we have a better health care system for everyone than the USA, we have a better public education system than the USA, we have lower infant mortality rates than the USA, lower levels of poverty than the USA,significantly lower crime rates than the USA, lower levels of drug abuse than the USA, SIGNIFICANTuLY lower levels of racism than the USA, cleaner air and water than the USA etc. What we do not have is as many rich people per capita than the USA. I would rather sacrifice some of my wealth for the good of the overall populace and live in a relatively safe, clean, happy and healthy environment.



We got more guns and more money. So there puckhead.

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Stinger8 wrote:
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That was a bunch of hot air Cor-Ten. You have been running around bashing capitalism like it stole your one and only girlfriend or something since you began frequenting this site.

You go out of your way to ad an anti-capitalist rant even when it’s not the topic of discussion. That’s the irritating part. I don’t get “triggered”. What I get is an opportunity to call you on things.

And while there are various & different types of economic subsets, the main two economic types are capitalism & socialism.

So if you hate one, it leads to one assuming you prefer the other.

The topic here is the declining quality of BSPN’s product and like clockwork here you are using as yet another excuse to get a dig at capitalism.

Capiatalism isn’t perfect. No system is. Nor do I “hold it dear”. But show me a successful socialist that isn’t part of the government mechanism.



I am a Canadian hence I live in a socialist leaning country. I am very happy living in said environment. In Canada (like the vast majority of socialist countries I.E. Scandinavia, Germany, Japan, Australia, Belgium, Austria, etc) according to metrics we have a better health care system for everyone than the USA, we have a better public education system than the USA, we have lower infant mortality rates than the USA, lower levels of poverty than the USA,significantly lower crime rates than the USA, lower levels of drug abuse than the USA, SIGNIFICANTLY lower levels of racism than the USA, cleaner air and water than the USA etc. What we do not have is as many rich people per capita than the USA. I would rather sacrifice some of my wealth for the good of the overall populace and live in a relatively safe, clean, happy and healthy environment.


Trouble is, we aren’t Canada. And taking more money from those who do and giving it to those who do not is not going to transform this country into some sort of socialist utopia.

There are multiples of reasons why things are different here vs there and it isn’t just socialism vs capitalism.

A couple things you ignore, and this is big, is that Canada ranks dead last compared to its global peers in terms of foreign aid. That’s A LOT of money Canada can spend on itself rather than other countries. Think some of the billions and billions and billions of dollars the US sends overseas could do some good here if it were instead applied to our own citizens? I guarantee however if Trump announced drastic cuts to foreign aid spending he would be roundly criticized for having a “nationalists” or “protectionist” agenda. Funny I don’t hear anyone criticizing Canada for taking care of their own while telling the poor around the world to F off.

Also check how much Canada spends on defense spending vs the U.S. Also ranking extremely low vs their peers. Do you think Canada would have the luxury of spending so little on defense if big brother didn’t live right next door?

You see, it isn’t so simple as hey raise our taxes a bit and society as a whole will be better. People in the US are tired of tax increases much because of where our politicians spend OUR MONEY.

If my tax dollars went directly to my local communities to make them stronger & safer it would be better for all. But that is not the case like it is up north for you where Canada looks out only for Canada. Something I’ve seen you criticize US taxpayers of. All the while, your country is even more guilty if it.

So stop spouting the “greater good” when as a nation, Canada is only in it for Canada.

I’d be way more on board for some of the things you mention IF that’s where my tax dollars went instead of some of the places it really goes.

It’s not an apples to apples comparison. Crank up the amount of foreign aid Canada ships around the world rather than spending that money at home and see what happens to your perfect bubble.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:03 pm 
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955876 wrote:
That was a bunch of hot air Cor-Ten. You have been running around bashing capitalism like it stole your one and only girlfriend or something since you began frequenting this site.

You go out of your way to ad an anti-capitalist rant even when it’s not the topic of discussion. That’s the irritating part. I don’t get “triggered”. What I get is an opportunity to call you on things.

And while there are various & different types of economic subsets, the main two economic types are capitalism & socialism.

So if you hate one, it leads to one assuming you prefer the other.

The topic here is the declining quality of BSPN’s product and like clockwork here you are using as yet another excuse to get a dig at capitalism.

Capiatalism isn’t perfect. No system is. Nor do I “hold it dear”. But show me a successful socialist that isn’t part of the government mechanism.



I am a Canadian hence I live in a socialist leaning country. I am very happy living in said environment. In Canada (like the vast majority of socialist countries I.E. Scandinavia, Germany, Japan, Australia, Belgium, Austria, etc) according to metrics we have a better health care system for everyone than the USA, we have a better public education system than the USA, we have lower infant mortality rates than the USA, lower levels of poverty than the USA,significantly lower crime rates than the USA, lower levels of drug abuse than the USA, SIGNIFICANTLY lower levels of racism than the USA, cleaner air and water than the USA etc. What we do not have is as many rich people per capita than the USA. I would rather sacrifice some of my wealth for the good of the overall populace and live in a relatively safe, clean, happy and healthy environment.


Trouble is, we aren’t Canada. And taking more money from those who do and giving it to those who do not is not going to transform this country into some sort of socialist utopia.



Yes it will. It has in every other developed country in the world.


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Funny you disregard the meat & potatoes of the rest of my post.

I get it though, you are looking for a “raise”. Please find it elsewhere as I already pay my fair share.


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