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 Post subject: Ohio St. should be out of the playoff
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:13 pm 
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This year the committee will face one of the most difficult and telling decisions yet - What do you do with an Ohio St. team that is ranked #2 in the country, yet didn't win it's own division, yet alone league.

There are 2 schools of thought

1) Playoff is intended for the 4 "best" teams
2) Playoff is intended for the 4 "most deserving" teams.

I'm squarely in the #2 camp. Most deserving is the right way to look at it, as it puts more value to objective factors and less on subjective ones (such as eye test and rankings). I value conference championships very highly.

My final four assuming everyone wins out

1) Alabama
2) Clemson
3) UW
4) Big 10 title game winner

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5) Oklahoma (If they win)
6) Ohio St.

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I agree with you on this one, Lifelong!!

And....in the spirit of transparency, I'm a Lifelong (no pun intended) Nittany Lion fan (though not in the same orbit as my Steeler fandom).


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I don't know how a #2 beats a #3, falls to #5 and misses a four team playoff.

Ohio St. got stabbed in the back enough today, let's not pile on.

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
I don't know how a #2 beats a #3, falls to #5 and misses a four team playoff.

Ohio St. got stabbed in the back enough today, let's not pile on.


Simple...by not winning the conference championship, and losing to the team that did. Decide on the field, not via a vote.


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There is no way Washington is better than OSU. Or Michigan and two other Big Ten teams.

By that logic, Western Michigan is in the Final Four.

BTW WMU vs. Michigan would be kind of cool.

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 Post subject: Re: Ohio St. should be out of the playoff
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negative ......OSU is in by any approach. And actually in an advantageous position. Not having to play the extra game could be big. Last year in the second half of Natty both Bama and Clemson were GASSED.

OSU in. Bama in. Clemson needs to win ACC.

Wash wins and in. Wisconsin wins and I think in if Wash loses. PSU I think actually gets hosed if wins and Wash loses. Committee will talk themselves into putting Michigan in with head to head drubbing of PSU......


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Actually, the committee is going by objective rankings and not just the eye test. Here's what they're looking at (assuming Penn State wins)

Ohio State (11-1):

3-1 vs. Top 10 (W at No. 7 Oklahoma, W at No. 6 Wisconsin, L at No. 8 Penn State, W vs. No. 5 Michigan)
4-1 vs. Top 25 (W vs. No. 23 Nebraska)
8-1 vs. .500 or better.

Penn State (11-2):

2-1 vs. Top 10 (L at No. 5 Michigan, W vs. No. 2 Ohio State, W vs. No. 6 Wisconsin)
3-2 vs. Top 25 (L at No. 24 Pitt, W vs. No. 22 Iowa)
7-2 vs. .500 or better

More quality wins objectively, as well as one less overall loss despite playing a better non-conference schedule. If Penn State had beat Pitt, you'd have a much better argument. It would be slightly better schedule vs conference champion. But that extra loss kills Penn State.


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 Post subject: Re: Ohio St. should be out of the playoff
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superk wrote:
negative ......OSU is in by any approach. And actually in an advantageous position. Not having to play the extra game could be big. Last year in the second half of Natty both Bama and Clemson were GASSED.

OSU in. Bama in. Clemson needs to win ACC.

Wash wins and in. Wisconsin wins and I think in if Wash loses. PSU I think actually gets hosed if wins and Wash loses. Committee will talk themselves into putting Michigan in with head to head drubbing of PSU......


Oh, I think they will get in. Because this is probably going to be a popularity contest not an earned athletic competition. Power 5 conference winners earn their spot by winning their conference. No reason to make it more complicated than that.

Otherwise why even have a conference?

FWIW this is how Ohio St. jumped Baylor/TCU a couple years ago, so . . .

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Most deserving? How about Western Michigan?

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 Post subject: Re: Ohio St. should be out of the playoff
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This is about the most homeriffic thread on here this fall.

I will smile with quiet satisfaction if the Pitt loss keeps PSU out of the dance, of course, but hey, PSU fans, look at the bright side, if you're left out, you get to spend all off season with that "coulda been a contender" swag. In at #4, you get to lick wounds from a 45 point drubbing by Saban and the boys.

Maybe you're better off. Good season, though, PA silver medalists.

Also, by the way, you're overlooking a pretty damn good Wisconsin team.


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 Post subject: Re: Ohio St. should be out of the playoff
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Ice wrote:
This is about the most homeriffic thread on here this fall.

I will smile with quiet satisfaction if the Pitt loss keeps PSU out of the dance, of course, but hey, PSU fans, look at the bright side, if you're left out, you get to spend all off season with that "coulda been a contender" swag. In at #4, you get to lick wounds from a 45 point drubbing by Saban and the boys.

Maybe you're better off. Good season, though, PA silver medalists.

Also, by the way, you're overlooking a pretty damn good Wisconsin team.

Boom.

No joke: I would much rather watch Western Michigan and Zack Terrell play the game of their lives for three quarters + vs Alabama than see 2-loss Penn State get demolished by Alabama.

This discussion is all moot when Penn State loses in the Big 10 championship game. It is truly satisfying, though, to know it might be the humbling at Heinz that keeps those Paterno-worshippers from sniffing a playoff berth.

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 Post subject: Re: Ohio St. should be out of the playoff
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Ice wrote:
This is about the most homeriffic thread on here this fall.

I will smile with quiet satisfaction if the Pitt loss keeps PSU out of the dance, of course, but hey, PSU fans, look at the bright side, if you're left out, you get to spend all off season with that "coulda been a contender" swag. In at #4, you get to lick wounds from a 45 point drubbing by Saban and the boys.

Maybe you're better off. Good season, though, PA silver medalists.

Also, by the way, you're overlooking a pretty damn good Wisconsin team.


I live in CA. don't give a single fuck about penn st. (in fact, i stand to win some money if ohio st. wins the national championship)

I'm sharing an opinion that a trip to the final four should be earned on the field, and the first step to earning it on the field is to win a power 5 conf champ.

I don't even know how to get my arms around Western Michigan. A b2b directional school in the playoff?

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 Post subject: Re: Ohio St. should be out of the playoff
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Ice wrote:
This is about the most homeriffic thread on here this fall.

I will smile with quiet satisfaction if the Pitt loss keeps PSU out of the dance, of course, but hey, PSU fans, look at the bright side, if you're left out, you get to spend all off season with that "coulda been a contender" swag. In at #4, you get to lick wounds from a 45 point drubbing by Saban and the boys.

Maybe you're better off. Good season, though, PA silver medalists.

Also, by the way, you're overlooking a pretty damn good Wisconsin team.

Boom.

No joke: I would much rather watch Western Michigan and Zack Terrell play the game of their lives for three quarters + vs Alabama than see 2-loss Penn State get demolished by Alabama.

This discussion is all moot when Penn State loses in the Big 10 championship game. It is truly satisfying, though, to know it might be the humbling at Heinz that keeps those Paterno-worshippers from sniffing a playoff berth.


This thread is hilarious. A lot of flawed logic.

Speaking of Western, How did Corey Davis not make the final 5 for the Biletnikoff award? He is hands down the best WR in the country. Whoever drafts him gets an absolute stud. This kid will make an impact day 1 in the NFL.


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Charles Demarr wrote:

This thread is hilarious. A lot of flawed logic.

Speaking of Western, How did Corey Davis not make the final 5 for the Biletnikoff award? He is hands down the best WR in the country. Whoever drafts him gets an absolute stud. This kid will make an impact day 1 in the NFL.


Any chance you'll share your non flawed logic?

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Lifelongsteel wrote:
Charles Demarr wrote:

This thread is hilarious. A lot of flawed logic.

Speaking of Western, How did Corey Davis not make the final 5 for the Biletnikoff award? He is hands down the best WR in the country. Whoever drafts him gets an absolute stud. This kid will make an impact day 1 in the NFL.


Any chance you'll share your non flawed logic?


The whole "have to win the conference championship" in order to get in crowd from Penn St. is pretty flawed. OSU #2 in the nation, #2 strength of schedule, wins vs. 3 top 10's.

Won't matter anyway, Wisconsin beats Penn St. this weekend.


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 Post subject: Re: Ohio St. should be out of the playoff
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Charles Demarr wrote:
Lifelongsteel wrote:
Charles Demarr wrote:

This thread is hilarious. A lot of flawed logic.

Speaking of Western, How did Corey Davis not make the final 5 for the Biletnikoff award? He is hands down the best WR in the country. Whoever drafts him gets an absolute stud. This kid will make an impact day 1 in the NFL.


Any chance you'll share your non flawed logic?


The whole "have to win the conference championship" in order to get in crowd from Penn St. is pretty flawed. OSU #2 in the nation, #2 strength of schedule, wins vs. 3 top 10's.

Won't matter anyway, Wisconsin beats Penn St. this weekend.


Right. Then Wisconsin should be ahead of Ohio St.

In the NFL you don't make the playoff due to your power ranking, or strength of schedule, or top 10 wins. Why should college be different?

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We'll agree to disagree. Go check out Corey Davis and Zach Terrell from WMU. They are going to beat someone up on New Year's day. They are legit.

Great running game too. PJ Fleck is going to get paid after bowl season.


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 Post subject: Re: Ohio St. should be out of the playoff
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Charles Demarr wrote:
Won't matter anyway, Wisconsin beats Penn St. this weekend.


Not so certain if Alex Hornibrook isn't ready to go.

Even if he is, I think the teams are evenly matched. This isn't the same Penn State team that lost to Pitt and got blown out by Michigan. I think some people are a little blinded to how good Penn State really is.

That said, count me in as one of those who'd rather see Penn State left out of the playoff and have a chance to win the Rose Bowl (although beating Colorado would be a daunting task) than get rolled as the #4 by Alabama.

I'm thinking the FBS people would rather that not happen either. They can talk about qualifications until they're blue in the face...they don't want the games to be boring blowouts either if they can help it.

And to be honest- judging from some of the reactions of posters here...it's probably "too soon" in the eyes of many FBS officials for Penn State to be in such a national spotlight again.

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 Post subject: Re: Ohio St. should be out of the playoff
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tOSU vs PSU at The Shoe next year should be a HUGE game. Already looking forward.


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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Ice wrote:
This is about the most homeriffic thread on here this fall.

I will smile with quiet satisfaction if the Pitt loss keeps PSU out of the dance, of course, but hey, PSU fans, look at the bright side, if you're left out, you get to spend all off season with that "coulda been a contender" swag. In at #4, you get to lick wounds from a 45 point drubbing by Saban and the boys.

Maybe you're better off. Good season, though, PA silver medalists.

Also, by the way, you're overlooking a pretty damn good Wisconsin team.

Boom.

No joke: I would much rather watch Western Michigan and Zack Terrell play the game of their lives for three quarters + vs Alabama than see 2-loss Penn State get demolished by Alabama.

This discussion is all moot when Penn State loses in the Big 10 championship game. It is truly satisfying, though, to know it might be the humbling at Heinz that keeps those Paterno-worshippers from sniffing a playoff berth.


I'm reminded of.....Penn State-48 #1Pitt-14. Remember that??
And B2B....why dub all Penn State fans Paterno-Worshippers?


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Pretty sure I was a one year old when that happened, Swiss. Doesn't bother me none.


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Jeemie wrote:
Charles Demarr wrote:
Won't matter anyway, Wisconsin beats Penn St. this weekend.


Not so certain if Alex Hornibrook isn't ready to go.

Even if he is, I think the teams are evenly matched. This isn't the same Penn State team that lost to Pitt and got blown out by Michigan. I think some people are a little blinded to how good Penn State really is.

That said, count me in as one of those who'd rather see Penn State left out of the playoff and have a chance to win the Rose Bowl (although beating Colorado would be a daunting task) than get rolled as the #4 by Alabama.

I'm thinking the FBS people would rather that not happen either. They can talk about qualifications until they're blue in the face...they don't want the games to be boring blowouts either if they can help it.


And to be honest- judging from some of the reactions of posters here...it's probably "too soon" in the eyes of many FBS officials for Penn State to be in such a national spotlight again.


Earlier Jeems, I posted the respective stats of J.T. Burnett and Trace McSorley last weekend, point being, Penn State can pass the freakin' ball.....point being, the Buckeyes, down to 'Bama, can't mount a challenge, Penn State can keep slingin' it.


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Ice wrote:
Pretty sure I was a one year old when that happened, Swiss. Doesn't bother me none.


Sure as fuck bothered your Pitt elders.....cost 'em (and Dan Marino) a national championship that year.


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Pretty sure I was a one year old when that happened, Swiss. Doesn't bother me none.


Sure as fuck bothered your Pitt elders.....cost 'em (and Dan Marino) a national championship that year.


Well, looking like for all of you Paternity Brothers who were around back then, turnaround may indeed be fair play. Pitt loss mentioned by just about everyone analyzing the latest rankings a few minutes ago as a major thorn in PSU's side going into the final weekend.


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Pretty sure I was a one year old when that happened, Swiss. Doesn't bother me none.


Sure as fuck bothered your Pitt elders.....cost 'em (and Dan Marino) a national championship that year.


One of my favorite all-time Penn State victories.

I remember my brother flipped the fuck out, though, tried to blame Pitt's loss on poor officiating.

I was like "Dude...it was a 34 point win".

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