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 Post subject: Hollywood is creatively bankrupt
PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:18 pm 
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https://www.yahoo.com/movies/heres-your ... 40434.html

A reboot of a remake of a not very good 1961 movie. (Sorry, Frank, even Jilly agrees.)

Guess they didn't learn anything from Ghostbusters? Who the hell greenlighted that?

Everything is recycled and what is not is comic book level crap.

With the exception of certain creative projects like La La Land which was good, not great, and certainly not West Side Story or Singin in the Rain or even Les Miz.

I think the occasional great TV series like Breaking Bad or Black Mirror or Silicon Valley are killing movies.

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Haha, here's what's next.

-The Odd Couple starring Rosie O'Donnell and Kate Winslet

-Smokey and the Bandit starring Queen Latifah as the Bandit and Melissa McCarthy as Sheriff Justice

-Terminator starring Ronda Rousey as the Terminator

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:06 pm 
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R S wrote:
Haha, here's what's next.

-The Odd Couple starring Rosie O'Donnell and Kate Winslet

-Smokey and the Bandit starring Queen Latifah as the Bandit and Melissa McCarthy as Sheriff Justice

-Terminator starring Ronda Rousey as the Terminator


I would not be surprised at any of the above suggestions.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood is creatively bankrupt
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:21 pm 
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Reservoir Dogs with Melissa McCarthy as Ms. Pink and Tina Fey as Ms. White.

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood is creatively bankrupt
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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/heres-your-first-official-look-at-the-oceans-8-crew-including-sandra-bullock-cate-blanchett-and-rihanna-125840434.html

A reboot of a remake of a not very good 1961 movie. (Sorry, Frank, even Jilly agrees.)

Guess they didn't learn anything from Ghostbusters? Who the hell greenlighted that?

Everything is recycled and what is not is comic book level crap.

With the exception of certain creative projects like La La Land which was good, not great, and certainly not West Side Story or Singin in the Rain or even Les Miz.

I think the occasional great TV series like Breaking Bad or Black Mirror or Silicon Valley are killing movies.


I couldn't agree more.. It seems like every movie now is a reboot or borrows so heavily from previous films. The only time I now go to the actual theater to see a movie is with my kids to see those Disney movies.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood is creatively bankrupt
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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
Reservoir Dogs with Melissa McCarthy as Ms. Pink and Tina Fey as Ms. White.


Of course, outside of Four Rooms, Tarantino has been quite open about the fact that everything he has done has been a rip-off and homage. That does not prevent his films from being highly enjoyable, however.

Hollywood is no different from main stream music labels: it puts out overproduced banal bullshit meant to appeal to as many people as possible in order to make money.

By the way Dan, check this out. The influence is obvious, but it's a real burner!

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy ... MSrbLGRgRj

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Tarantino takes lower grade genres of film like Blaxploitation, Martial Arts and even Grindhouse and elevates them to a whole new level through superior dialogue and writing. Even though partially derivative, it is creative. Y Tu Mambien is similar, it starts at as a horny teen flick and then turns into something that transcends the original genre.

Frankly I'd rather see a bad original grindhouse film or watch Coffy than most of the new stuff. Of course this might just about Pam Grier's tits.

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Yeah, Tarantino aside (who IS brilliant)....there is no creativity.

We are partly to blame with our own little private movie theaters....But when you produce something genuinely good, you make money. Hollywood has just gotten too risk averse.

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
Tarantino takes lower grade genres of film like Blaxploitation, Martial Arts and even Grindhouse and elevates them to a whole new level through superior dialogue and writing. Even though partially derivative, it is creative.


This is debatable. I'll grant you that the grindhouse inspired flicks are elevated, but the Blaxploitation, Martial Arts, Spaghetti Westerns? I don't know. There are some effing gems in those genera. Tarantino ain't topping Sergio Leone.

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood is creatively bankrupt
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Yeah, Tarantino aside (who IS brilliant)....there is no creativity.

We are partly to blame with our own little private movie theaters....But when you produce something genuinely good, you make money. Hollywood has just gotten too risk averse.
I don't think so. I think it's a conscious decision. Appealing to the lowest common denominator is fundamentally part of how free markets are applied to the arts. If you want to increase revenue, why make art house movies that appeal to 10% of the demographic? Making money has replaced making a quality product. Same old story lines revamped with new technology and derivative plots with average writing is enough to please the small part of the public that has half a brain left. Enter : Netflix.

I saw an interview of a hollywood exec once, and he explained it like this : We make big blockbuster movies to place in 5-800 theaters, with overseas releases and associated merchandise to make money so that we can make those interesting independent art house movies.

The problem is, nobody is going to see them. The public is dumb. They have been dumbed down in a vicious circle of profiteering, It's quite simple. As Marx said : Religion is the opium of the people." Stalin replaced religion with vodka and obsessing over hardship and death. Today, it's vapid consumerism. Appealing to the intelligentsia removes the power over the controlled masses.

And it's going to get much worse.

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood is creatively bankrupt
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For once I agree with Cor-Ten. Also, the average us moviegoer is a 14-15 year old male so material is geared to that mind set. I think in the future the Manchester by the Seas are going straight to TV.

I have no disagreement with Lit about Spaghetti Westerns, but these were always critically held in higher regard than Blaxploitation or Grindhouse. I think Tarantino would be the first to admit Once Upon the Time in the West is a top five film of ALL TIME. He very consciously paid homage to it in the finale of Kill Bill 1.

I would like to see a Tarantino take on the menacing outlaw biker gang films of the sixties. This would be right up his alley.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaw_biker_film

And I love The Wild Angels.

Also, I think he'd do a great take on the Death Wish revenge films of Bronson. Tarantino is a master of revenge film, as he proved in Bastards and Django.

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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood is creatively bankrupt
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Dan, have you ever watched the original Django (there are like 40 of them)?

How do you top a guy who drags a gatling gun around in a coffin? :lol:



The Django title song is fucking boss, too.


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 Post subject: Re: Hollywood is creatively bankrupt
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Tarantino showed some talent for non CGI car chases in Deathproof. Like to also see him take a stab at a Bullit (see my sig) type movie before stuntman (or woman, Zoe Bell shoutout) car chases are completely eliminated in Hollywood. The chase in Ronin and Terminator 2 were exemplary. The car chase in the comedy What's Up Doc is a masterwork and beats any CGI crap today.

Speaking of bad CGI, that Great Wall of China movie with Matt Damon looks like a flaming turd on arrival.

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
Tarantino showed some talent for non CGI car chases in Deathproof. Like to also see him take a stab at a Bullit (see my sig) movie before stuntman (or woman, Zoe Bell shoutout) car chases are completely eliminated in Hollywood. The chase in Ronin and Terminator 2 were exemplary. The car chase in the comedy What's Up Doc is a masterwork and beats any CGI crap today.

Speaking of bad CGI, that Great Wall of China movie with Matt Damon looks like a flaming turd on arrival.


WTF. You bitch about Ghostbusters but you want a Bullit remake?

No no no no.

That's a stone cold McQueen Classic. Any attempt to remake it will fail, IMO.

EDIT: saw my reading comprehension fail; you meant a Bullit type of film not a remake. Sorry!

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No definitely not remake. But a movie in that genre. I agree Bullit is untouchable. The Tao of Steve cannot be fucked with.

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
No definitely not remake. But a movie in that genre. I agree Bullit is untouchable. The Tao of Steve cannot be fucked with.


Much of my wardrobe is modeled after McQueen's look in Bullitt and elsewhere. I'm not joking. Unfortunately, I drive a Honda Fit, which somewhat detracts from the full aura. :lol:

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
No definitely not remake. But a movie in that genre. I agree Bullit is untouchable. The Tao of Steve cannot be fucked with.


Much of my wardrobe is modeled after McQueen's look in Bullitt and elsewhere. I'm not joking. Unfortunately, I drive a Honda Fit, which somewhat detracts from the full aura. :lol:

Great talk fellers. So much to say on these rich topics. Steve's #1 in my book.

Have you guys seen Fincher's film Zodiac? (also very good, IMO) At one point, Robert Downey's character addresses the detective played by Mark Ruffalo by saying, "Hey, Bullitt," alluding to the fact that Steve McQueen had met with the actual SFPD detective back in '68 while preparing for his role as Det. Frank Bullitt. McQ even incorporated the real detective's penchant for the turtleneck/sportscoat look w/shoulder holster into his own ultra-style domination.

[Small aside, Lit, on your "aura-deficit" of Honda vs. Mustang: nearly as deep as my Pirates/Steelers love, I'm a classic (1960 - 1971) Dodge & Plymouth guy. I've read interviews with the Bullitt production crew on how difficult it was to work with McQueen's choice of car, the admittedly bitchen-looking Mustang GT, which needed major chassis, engine and brake overhauling and modifications in order to beef it up enough to handle the abuse of "the chase". The Charger R/T, on the other hand, had to be purchased cash by chase coordinator Max Balchowski because the Fords provided to Warner Brothers "wouldn't stand a chance of surviving" the chase filming. They actually had to "handicap" the Charger with skinnier tires and minimal engine and chassis enhancement, yet still had trouble keeping the 440-powered Dodge from running away from the Mustang, as McQueen and director Peter Yates insisted on realism and minimal "effects" in filming the stunts. I still laugh every time Ford issues another "commemorative Bullitt model" Mustang or, as on a recent Blue Bloods episode, everyone gushes over the incredible Mustang that "won" the famous chase, when in reality it was cinematic fiddling-about + McQueen and "the look" that were the winners.]

Also, if you've never seen the film Dan referred to -- Tao of Steve -- it was a funny nod to the coolness and overwhelming conquest of the female psyche possessed of several Steves, especially McQ.

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
Tarantino showed some talent for non CGI car chases in Deathproof. Like to also see him take a stab at a Bullit (see my sig) type movie before stuntman (or woman, Zoe Bell shoutout) car chases are completely eliminated in Hollywood. The chase in Ronin and Terminator 2 were exemplary. The car chase in the comedy What's Up Doc is a masterwork and beats any CGI crap today.

Speaking of bad CGI, that Great Wall of China movie with Matt Damon looks like a flaming turd on arrival.


Holy shit. I stumbled across the trailer for the Great Wall movie and thought it had to be a joke. Matt Damon starring as some kick ass Chinese hero with superpowers fighting enemies in a fictitious ancient China. What the hell could go wrong there? :lol:

And Damon actually likens himself as some super-intellectual.

I also see he was catching shit from the PC snowflakes for whitewashing a Chinese movie. :lol:

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You have to go back to Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffanys to find such bad Asian casting. No, actually Matt Damon is worse because he's the main character. That movie is going to win every Golden Raspberry I predict.

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Lit, are you telling us you're double packing heat underneath a courduroy jacket?

Bissett's looks were beyond ridiculously hot:

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I had special dual holsters made for two Montblancs I pack.

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Looks like a couple decent Sci-Fi movies coming out this year..

Life and God Particle, which I believe will be Cloverfield 2.


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Speaking of Luca Brasi, time for Tarantino to take a stab at an Italian mob movie.

In the book Godfather, there's a subplot about a Sicilian family that was too vicious even for the American mobs. They made their living in America as hostages during Mafia meetings. This is right up his alley.

http://godfather.wikia.com/wiki/Bocchicchio_clan

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Steve and a Porsche 917

If there is a picture cooler than that, please post it.

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