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 Post subject: GaGa killed it at halftime
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:42 am 
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Best SB show I've seen in a long time.

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 Post subject: Re: GaGa killed it at halftime
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I hate the halftime shows. Usually just passively watch them, never entertained. Not a Gaga fan either. That said, her performance was great. She actually sang her songs, played her biggest hits, tons of action and some cool stunts. Probably the best I've seen. Good for her. Now I'll go back to not giving a shit about musicians interrupting my football game.


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I hate the halftime shows. Usually just passively watch them, never entertained. Not a Gaga fan either. That said, her performance was great. She actually sang her songs, played her biggest hits, tons of action and some cool stunts. Probably the best I've seen. Good for her. Now I'll go back to not giving a shit about musicians interrupting my football game.
She's a performer. I question her musicianship. But I guess that's a matter of opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: GaGa killed it at halftime
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1OdWOLWeCM

I question Cor-Ten's judgment of talent. She is very skilled, and Billy Joel has gone out of his way to point her out as an example of new artists who can bring it. She also has a good understanding of musical history including jazz and standards. I'd say Amy Winehouse was the only one in her league and she's gone.

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1OdWOLWeCM

I question Cor-Ten's judgment of talent. She is very skilled, and Billy Joel has gone out of his way to point her out as an example of new artists who can bring it. She also has a good understanding of musical history including jazz and standards. I'd say Amy Winehouse was the only one in her league and she's gone.


I mentioned it in the superbowl game thread but she has said that working with Tony Bennett really changed her as a person and her outlook on life and music. I believe she was thinking about retiring or being done with music and after working with him on the duets album it made her re-assess a whole lot of what she was doing. Where she was heading. Also anyone that doubts her talent should just find some youtube clips of her from college before she was all about shock value she can play and sing.

Also she nailed the National Anthem last year which may have played a part in her getting the halftime gig this year.



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Was a good show.


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 Post subject: Re: GaGa killed it at halftime
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As an old fart, I had heard of her but didn't know much of anything about her. Her performance had me tapping me foot and nodding my head in rhythm. She has a very melodic and powerful voice. She seems to be extremely talented. I really liked the show.

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1OdWOLWeCM

I question Cor-Ten's judgment of talent. She is very skilled, and Billy Joel has gone out of his way to point her out as an example of new artists who can bring it. She also has a good understanding of musical history including jazz and standards. I'd say Amy Winehouse was the only one in her league and she's gone.


Only pop star in her league, Dan.

I don't think Winehouse was in Gaga's league. Frankly, Winehouse got more attention than she deserved, mostly because she was white doing soul revival shit. Sharon Jones, Winehouse was not, not even when she used Sharon Jones' band. And before you respond, my claim is that Jones was a much better soul singer.

And let's not pretend like Gaga is Diana Krall because she did a duet LP with Tony.

That said, come on COR. Gaga can sing her ass off.

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 Post subject: Re: GaGa killed it at halftime
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Still Lit wrote:
Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1OdWOLWeCM

I question Cor-Ten's judgment of talent. She is very skilled, and Billy Joel has gone out of his way to point her out as an example of new artists who can bring it. She also has a good understanding of musical history including jazz and standards. I'd say Amy Winehouse was the only one in her league and she's gone.


Only pop star in her league, Dan.

I don't think Winehouse was in Gaga's league. Frankly, Winehouse got more attention than she deserved, mostly because she was white doing soul revival shit. Sharon Jones, Winehouse was not, not even when she used Sharon Jones' band. And before you respond, my claim is that Jones was a much better soul singer.

And let's not pretend like Gaga is Diana Krall because she did a duet LP with Tony.

That said, come on COR. Gaga can sing her ass off.
Reading comprehension, fellas. I never said she couldn't sing. I simply don't see her as a "musician." According to Wiki, she dropped out of "music" school midway through her second year, and has TEN years studying "method acting." She auditioned for New York Musical Theater productions and failed to make the cut. She apparently, while living on 11th street dorm, "composed essays and analytical papers on art, religion, social issues, and politics, including a thesis on pop artists Spencer Tunick and Damien Hirst.[27][28]" OOOoooooWWeeeee. I'm impressed. I guess that makes me an expert on politics, social issues, and urban planning also, since I wrote "essays and analytical papers" as well.

She's a pop performer who can sing. No way in hell she has the chops, musical training and/ or repertoire to hang with real "musicians." But like I said, it could be debatable depending on how you define "musician."

And I should add that Tony Bennet is a genuine, charming, gracious, stand up guy. What you see is exactly who he is. True story : Met him once at a fundraiser and spent 5 minutes or so talking. He almost invited me to sing a duet with him.

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Talented performance, but I thought it was boring.

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 Post subject: Re: GaGa killed it at halftime
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I don't disagree with any of the recent comments. But she does what she does very well. I'm not aware that Tony Bennett plays an instrument FWIW.

She's not Diana Krall, she's not even Elvis Costello. However, I'm not sure how well either of those would do at a SB halftime show. The one "complete" musician who probably could pull it off is Harry Connick, but the hip hop audience (ironically the most closed minded) would still be alienated.

Julliard level credentialism isn't really what it takes to make it in the pop world. And singer/performers can't be judged by the same metrics as instrumentalists.

She certainly did a better job than Thunder Thighs and the better half of Gwennyth's conscious uncoupling.

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I didn't realize her talent until she performed live on the Stern show with only a piano. None of show and poppy bullshit.

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R S wrote:
I didn't realize her talent until she performed live on the Stern show with only a piano. None of show and poppy bullshit.


Further, contrary to what was supposed earlier in the thread, she writes or co-writes all of her material.

However, her albums are still mindless pop-glop and I can't stand most of it. I need my pop to attain Bjork level complexity and weirdness for it to become attractive. 8-)

And make no mistake: Gaga is ripping off a whole lotta Bjork.

And what the hell, why not have Bjork do a half time show? :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: GaGa killed it at halftime
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... _Lady_Gaga

On most of her songs she has multiple collaborators. Sometimes up to 4 and 5 others, but she does write (some) of her own material.

Who supposed she didn't?

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COR-TEN wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Lady_Gaga

On most of her songs she has multiple collaborators. Sometimes up to 4 and 5 others, but she does write (some) of her own material.

Who supposed she didn't?


Depends on how you define musician. A straight session player has zero creativity, but amazing technical skill. A song writer may lack some of the technical ability but possess the skill to construct good songs. Gaga writes (or has a hand in) a lot of her material.

Look, she's just a pop star, as you admit. Why are you insisting on grading her against the likes of Charles fucking Mingus for the purpose of denying her the attribute of being a real musician?

Shit, come to think of it, Johnny Hartman did not play an instrument nor did he write the majority of his material by himself either. Is he just a performer and not a musician?



Should we talk opera or choral where the singers don't write a single thing they sing? No way they can hang with orchestral or symphony musicians (who also often compose nothing themselves).

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 Post subject: Re: GaGa killed it at halftime
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Depends on how you define musician.
This is what I said a few comments ago. Thanks for repeating.

I didn't need to read your further diatribe littered with straw men. I did not grade her against Mingus to determine musicianship. You did.

You have your opinion, I have mine. I'm not interested in a debate that has been had ad nauseam.

Lets leave it at that, or would you rather keep trollin. . . err. . .defending her?

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She's much better than the acts over the past few years including Beyonce, Katy Perry, Coldplay, Springsteen, The Who (were great at one time) and the highly overrated "derivative" (stole James Brown's whole act) Bruno Mars.

I'm hoping they hire Mariah Carey next year for record ratings...everyone waiting to see the train wreck.

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COR-TEN wrote:
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Depends on how you define musician.
This is what I said a few comments ago. Thanks for repeating.

I didn't need to read your further diatribe littered with straw men. I did not grade her against Mingus to determine musicianship. You did.

You have your opinion, I have mine. I'm not interested in a debate that has been had ad nauseam.

Lets leave it at that, or would you rather keep trollin. . . err. . .defending her?


Your opinion is either ridiculous or unclear. Which one is it?

Sure, it does depend on how you define musician. You didn't bother to define a musician but made the claim that she could not hang with musicians any way. Now maybe you have a good account of what it is to be a musician and you just didn't bother to state it, in which case you were being unclear. Or you do not have a good account and so you do not know what you are talking about.

The result is that either you were (1) unclear or (2) you do not know what you are talking about. Feel free to chime in and tell us which one it is.

I beg apology for the straw man, but having no idea what you think a musician is (lack of clarity) I could only guess.

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She's much better than the acts over the past few years including Beyonce, Katy Perry, Coldplay, Springsteen, The Who (were great at one time) and the highly overrated "derivative" (stole James Brown's whole act) Bruno Mars.

I'm hoping they hire Mariah Carey next year for record ratings...everyone waiting to see the train wreck.


I vote for High on Fire. :lol:


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We should all form a hybrid band of Viking Metal, K-Pop and Trap that could unite the country during the next Super Bowl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ips2mM7Zqw

All this song needs is Metallica type guitars and everyone would be happy.

Degrees from Berklee a plus, but not required.

P.S. I'm shocked by the number of views on that vid

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
We should all form a hybrid band of Viking Metal, K-Pop and Trap that could unite the country during the next Super Bowl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ips2mM7Zqw

All this song needs is Metallica type guitars and everyone would be happy.

Degrees from Berklee a plus, but not required.

P.S. I'm shocked by the number of views on that vid


Couldn't finish the video. I got confused and then I started to get scared so I just aborted.

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Depends on how you define musician.
This is what I said a few comments ago. Thanks for repeating.

I didn't need to read your further diatribe littered with straw men. I did not grade her against Mingus to determine musicianship. You did.

You have your opinion, I have mine. I'm not interested in a debate that has been had ad nauseam.

Lets leave it at that, or would you rather keep trollin. . . err. . .defending her?
Your opinion is either ridiculous or unclear. Which one is it?
Apparently you've already decided that an opinion is ridiculous without even knowing what it is. That’s some dan territory right there.

Ok. Whatever.

I’ve already stated I’m not interested in debating the subject further, but you can carry on to your hearts content.

:roll: ;)

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Babymetal would be a great show (J-pop metal band)



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Wow, don't take this personally ST, but I think I'd rather watch Brady & Hoodie win 100 more Super Bowls than ever see or hear that again :o

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COR-TEN wrote:
Ok. Whatever.

I’ve already stated I’m not interested in debating the subject further, but you can carry on to your hearts content.

:roll: ;)


Sure thing, Dodger.

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