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 Post subject: Dobbs
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:08 am 
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Full disclosure: I am a Dobbs homer. I'm a long-time Vol fan, and Dobbs is one of my two or three favorite TN QB's ever.

NFL.Com, if you go to the videos for last nights game, has a compilation of every Dobbs run or pass.

Here's my take:

I saw nothing last night that wasn't entirely consistent with how he played in college.

The good:

1. As I said in a post last night, the best thing about Dobbs is that he never gets tilted. After a disastrous first quarter and a half, he played much, much better afterwards. The guy has an A+ mentality. He was money in clutch situations, and consistently would turn around horrible starts.
2. He is big and fast and you could see it in some of the plays he made with his legs. As I said in some of the pre-draft threads, he is not Vick/RG3 level at scrambling, but he was the best between the tackles running QB I've ever seen.
3. Throws great vertical passes.

The bad:

1. The two interceptions. The second is one you hope that now that he's seen a zone blitz like that, he won't make that mistake again (Dobbs is literally a rocket scientist). The first, I was hoping I would see evidence that his arm got hit, but it definitely did not look like there was any contact. Not clear what the hell happened there, but it was ugly.

2. Short touch passes. He's never been good at them. Dobbs is more accurate throwing 30 yards than throwing three yards. 75% of Dobbs' screen or short passes last night sucked.A lot of that is footwork and his windup throwing motion. He's really got to shorten everything up to play well in the NFL. But if you remember, Big Ben was awful at those throws early in his career, and now he runs some of the best screen passes in the business.

Altogether, I think he did perfectly well for a fourth round pick starting the very first game of the preseason in his rookie season. You could see the flashes of a playmaker. If he can simply avoid the awful interceptions, then he is already a better player than Landry Jones or old Michael Vick. Dobbs made three or four plays last night that Jones couldn't dream of making.


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:42 am 
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I only saw the first half but dobbs made kordell Stewart look like johnny Unitas out there.

I'll have to check the nfl.com cut up to see what I missed.


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:04 am 
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I saw a career back up. Heck, even Landry has had a perfect game against a tough Arizona team. This guy did somewhat decent against backups and vanilla defense. He stunk it up when faced with starters and some wrinkles were presented. He has a slow release. He has no touch on short passes. The training camp reports all say that his lack of accuracy is the problem. The long passes are low percentage anyway and you will get killed if you depend on them. Rothlisberger has always been accurate. He was 15-1 in his rookie season. His problem was reading defense and taking off. Dobbs problem is reading defense and lack of accuracy. He has never excelled anywhere, and he is unlikely to at NFL level. I would take EJ Manual over him....if you are so enamored with a running qb. He is not replacement qb for Ben. He will not even approach Charlie Batch. I would take Landry over him anyday as a back up.

Ben is going to be missed for a long time after he leaves....just like Terry Bradshaw was.


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:20 am 
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I would have rather taken Peterman than Dobbs if they had to go QB at that pick. It's really simple. If you can't read defenses and go through progressions and if you don't have good short accuracy...you won't do much in the NFL. A couple spectacular plays with immense talent won't make up for the little mistakes that kill drives.

He's a Steeler now and I hope he's the next Peyton Manning, but I can't lie to myself right now when I watch him. As I said after the draft, being a rocket scientist does not mean your brain is good at scanning a field, processing routes in split seconds, and making accurate throws.


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:32 am 
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Dobbs will never be an NFL QB worth having. His ceiling is so far below Landry Jones floor that you can't even compare the two as rookies.


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
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I find it hilarious that people are calling Dobbs career after his FIRST NFL game.

Watt and Mike Hilton are going to the hall of fame.

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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:56 am 
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T.W. wrote:
I find it hilarious that people are calling Dobbs career after his FIRST NFL game.

Watt and Mike Hilton are going to the hall of fame.


This.

I saw a kid playing in his first ever NFL action. Nothing more or less.

Make a few nice throws and some really bad ones.


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:00 am 
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Like many athletic QB's, Dobbs is far more comfortable throwing long than short.

That isn't good.

Just gotta hope he can improve his underneath accuracy BY A LOT, or he'll go the way of the Tee Martin's and Omar Jacobs' of this world.

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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:35 am 
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KC wrote:
Like many athletic QB's, Dobbs is far more comfortable throwing long than short.

That isn't good.

Just gotta hope he can improve his underneath accuracy BY A LOT, or he'll go the way of the Tee Martin's and Omar Jacobs' of this world.



Yup. Wows with his running ability. Throws darts downfield. Cant hit the broad side of a barn from within 10 yards.

I've seen this script before. Lets hope he shakes it off with more experience.


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
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T.W. wrote:
I find it hilarious that people are calling Dobbs career after his FIRST NFL game.

Watt and Mike Hilton are going to the hall of fame.


Wasn't even his first NFL game. First preseason game with scruffs around him.

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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:38 am 
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What I saw from Dobbs last night was flashes of brilliance, and a glaring weakness. I believe that the weakness will be corrected. First game action in the NFL - looking forward to seeing more of him in the preseason.

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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:00 pm 
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Laundry Jones first preseason was in 2013. For the entire preseason he was 30 of 66, 45.5% completion rate, and threw 2 TDs with 3 INTs for a passer rating of 53.1. Ouch!

Dobbs in his first preseason game was 8 of 15 for 100 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. He completed 53% of his passes and had a passer rating of 56.9. That Xavier Grimble TD pass, that was nullified by penalty, where he was running to his left and throwing across his body is something that Laundry Jones can't do.

And don't tell me that the Giants didn't have anybody out there early on, that was Pro Bowler Landon Collins at safety, that was Damon Harrison at NT, that was Olivier Vernon at DE. That O-line we had out there was really bad minus Decastro and Gilbert. Jerald Hawkins, WTF? How many were saying here not to give Big Al a contract because we had Hawkins in the pipeline? Are you serious? So many were talking this offseason that if he had come out this season instead of last season he would have been a 2nd round pick. Really? He looked like an UDFA last night.

Anyway, people see what they want to see, I think Dobbs will easily be better than Laundry Jones this year, all he needs is reps. Every day that Jones spend out with a tummy ache gives Dobbs more reps and practice to take his job.

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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
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The biggest concern for me was the first drive. He had DHB on a quick in on 3rd and seven. DHB was NFL open and Dobbs (a) had a passing lane and (b) was looking at DHB. But he didn't make the quick snap decision to make the pass. Making those quick, snap decisions is what NFL QBing is all about. Hopefully, Dobbs grows into this -- I see the tools. Worth a gamble IMO.


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
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Lynch wrote:
Dobbs will never be an NFL QB worth having. His ceiling is so far below Landry Jones floor that you can't even compare the two as rookies.


To be honest, I think he looks as good as Landry already, started out shaky, but he showed good arm strength and accuracy on the 44 yarder and TD to Hamilton and the TD to Grimble called back. Did you see Joe Flacco's 1st preseason game as a rookie? Way worse than Dobbs 1st quarter last night.


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:55 pm 
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Scunge wrote:
Laundry Jones first preseason was in 2013. For the entire preseason he was 30 of 66, 45.5% completion rate, and threw 2 TDs with 3 INTs for a passer rating of 53.1. Ouch!

Dobbs in his first preseason game was 8 of 15 for 100 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. He completed 53% of his passes and had a passer rating of 56.9. That Xavier Grimble TD pass, that was nullified by penalty, where he was running to his left and throwing across his body is something that Laundry Jones can't do.

And don't tell me that the Giants didn't have anybody out there early on, that was Pro Bowler Landon Collins at safety, that was Damon Harrison at NT, that was Olivier Vernon at DE. That O-line we had out there was really bad minus Decastro and Gilbert. Jerald Hawkins, WTF? How many were saying here not to give Big Al a contract because we had Hawkins in the pipeline? Are you serious? So many were talking this offseason that if he had come out this season instead of last season he would have been a 2nd round pick. Really? He looked like an UDFA last night.

Anyway, people see what they want to see, I think Dobbs will easily be better than Laundry Jones this year, all he needs is reps. Every day that Jones spend out with a tummy ache gives Dobbs more reps and practice to take his job.


Steelers are fortunate that they signed Big Al to a deal before the start of the season. Otherwise, when Big Al's agent saw Hawkins play last night, he would be demanding 15 mill per year and the Steelers would have to give him more than he got. The move to sign him before camp literally saved the Steelers millions!


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
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Didn't Landry Jones fumble or almost fumble his first ever preseason snap?

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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
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I said it last night in the game thread. Dobbs is going to make mistakes. Hell, Ben still makes mistakes and we live with them. Dobbs is in the infancy of his career he deserves a chance to learn, develop and play.


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
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I get why everyone is so canted to both extremes on his evaluation...

Look, Dobbs was never drafted to be the starter of this team. If we were going after someone like that, I think we would've had to trade up to #2 and get Trubisky or Watson. Last year, Dak Prescott was recently the one I had my eye on to have any potential being drafted in the later rounds; And we passed on him. Even then, he got drafted to a great offensive team with many weapons surrounding him while drafting Zeke in the same draft. Dobbs was drafted as a 'chance' and to most likely compete with Landry for the #2 spot. If Dobbs comes around in the next 2 years, then good for him and great for us. Like I've always said for the last decade now, if Big Ben goes down with a substantial injury, the Steelers are done anyway.

Let's not forget, it's the guys' first ever NFL action. Yes, he's probably played football his whole life, but now he is playing with the best prospects in the world. With that being said, a lot of those top prospects weren't even playing on his side; AB, Bell, Bryant, Pouncey. Would this make a different? Time will tell...

However, if his NFL career is going to be based off this one and only game, he flat out sucked. Didn't look like he's ever read a defense in his career to this point. He looked scared that whole first quarter. Showed no progressions what so ever. As some already mentioned, his short range throw accuracy was absolutely horrid. He did throw 2 decent rockets, both to Cobi. That TD throw was money and the other was a long shot vertically where I think Cobi made a spectacular catch.

That's the only positive I see out of these preseason games. It gives the younger guys meaningful reps in meaningless games. Throw an INT, forget about it, go out there and try it again. I'm ready for Week 2 to get here!


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
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One thing I liked about Dobbs last night (disclaimer... I didn't get to see all his snaps due to the NFL Network switching back and forth with another game... fuck you NFL)

But what I did see, was a guy who, when using his legs kept his eyes downfield looking to get the football to a receiver.

On the play he took off and ran for a 1st down, he first went thru his progressions.


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
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I hope I'm wrong. But, I don't think so. It's not just the shitty interceptions. It's things like the terribly high throw on a 5 yard out to the TE, or bouncing the ball 2 feet in front of his receiver on an out because his mechanics continually break down. How about the short crosser in the second half that Eli Rogers had to make a crazy catch just to haul it in (with two defenders behind him ready to pick it off)?

That's disappointing even for a rookie. Most of us want to improve on Landry and this seems like an odd way to do it. Again, I'm pulling for the kid. I'm not one of these posters that prays someone fails just to support my argument.


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
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Guys... Seriously now, Dobbs is NEVER going to be able to make the throws that Jones can. He's way too wildly erratic at this point in his development to ever be anything more than a wildcat type QB. He makes Tebow look like Marino.


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
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Lynch wrote:
Guys... Seriously now, Dobbs is NEVER going to be able to make the throws that Jones can. He's way too wildly erratic at this point in his development to ever be anything more than a wildcat type QB. He makes Tebow look like Marino.


Jones is awful.

I know you're a troll, but please don't be ridiculous. He's got an arm weaker than most college QB's, let alone pro's.


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
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Scunge wrote:
Laundry Jones first preseason was in 2013. For the entire preseason he was 30 of 66, 45.5% completion rate, and threw 2 TDs with 3 INTs for a passer rating of 53.1. Ouch!

Dobbs in his first preseason game was 8 of 15 for 100 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. He completed 53% of his passes and had a passer rating of 56.9. That Xavier Grimble TD pass, that was nullified by penalty, where he was running to his left and throwing across his body is something that Laundry Jones can't do.

And don't tell me that the Giants didn't have anybody out there early on, that was Pro Bowler Landon Collins at safety, that was Damon Harrison at NT, that was Olivier Vernon at DE. That O-line we had out there was really bad minus Decastro and Gilbert. Jerald Hawkins, WTF? How many were saying here not to give Big Al a contract because we had Hawkins in the pipeline? Are you serious? So many were talking this offseason that if he had come out this season instead of last season he would have been a 2nd round pick. Really? He looked like an UDFA last night.

Anyway, people see what they want to see, I think Dobbs will easily be better than Laundry Jones this year, all he needs is reps. Every day that Jones spend out with a tummy ache gives Dobbs more reps and practice to take his job.


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
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While Jones' arm strength may be closer to Tom Brady's, than it is to Dan Fouts, he certainly has enough arm to make all NFL throws. If that were the position's only requirement, Dobbs would stand a chance. But, Dobbs simply doesn't have the tools to process information and react quickly enough to make the reads and throws, and that means he's not an NFL capable QB.


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 Post subject: Re: Dobbs
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Not at this point in his career I agree. Doesn't mean a rocket science major can't figure out an effective means to process football information more efficiently. You guys picking on Dobbs are far too premature with your judgements.


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