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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:00 pm 
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I find myself unusually sanguine over the latest loss of the Black & Gold to one of the dregs of the league. If not for the Penguins opening their quest for a Threepeat in 10 short days, I would be tempted to resume my Van Winkleian hibernation from sports. My lack of passion around this latest edition of the Pittsburgh Steelers is related to their season-ending loss in Foxboro last January. That game reinforced my long-held belief, on which I permitted myself to waiver for the AFCCG, that Mike Tomlin will never, ever ever beat Bill Belichick in a game of meaning. It didn't happen then; it sure as hell won't happen last year.

Today did evoke some emotion from me; it drew my ire with Mike Tomlin's decision to hide his face, and those of this charges, in the locker room during the national anthem. I'll give Coach T a bit of a benefit of the doubt on this one. Perhaps he really did believe this to be preferable than having some of his team kneel, some stand. I still believe that a strong admonition from management would have cured that bullshit. However, by keeping his team under wraps, the Steelers became more the story than any other team. Why?? Because, it is now irrefutable that only ONE Pittsburgh Steelers chose to stand for the national anthem today. If Villaneuva did so, so could any of his teammates. But they chose not to. So...maybe this misguided decision by Coach Tomlin was well-intended. If so, then Tomlin remains what we know he is...and that is one SHITTY football coach.

I found myself rooting for the Bears at the outset of today's game, and said so, on this esteemed website's Gameday thread. After all, by my observation, there was nary a Bear sitting of kneeling for the national anthem. They all stood. That said, 50+ years of fandom can't be nullified forever. By the 3rd quarter, I was rooting for the Steelers again.

Big play that not many may be talking about was Leveon Bell's dropped pass on 1st down after the Steelers interception on the Bears 20. Instead of facing a 2nd & short, it was 2nd & 10, the Steelers failed to convert on 3rd down and had to settle for a tying field goal rather than the go-ahead touchdown after being handed outstanding field position. I then had a VERY bad feeling when the Steelers were not able to cover a fumble nor hold onto an interception on consecutive plays late. Turnover there and Steelers are in very good position to gain a few yards, kick the game-winner.

My final reason for FSBI? Penguins open their quest for a threepeat in 10 days. As opposed to the dolt Mike Tomlin, who never makes the right moves, Mike Sullivan of the Penguins makes ALL the right moves. That guy is golden; everything move he makes, everything he tries....works!!!

So no, not real upset about the Steelers. I'm not one for usually playing the Deserve card, as in Steelers did not Deserve to win. But, the pre-game hideaway in the locker room had me playing the D-card, in opposition to SBI. Add in, zero confidence in facing New England and Penguins season the cusp...and I'm okay tonight.

Oh...Happy Birthday, Barney Rubble!! Too bad there's no celebration in order.


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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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Tomlin didn't hide his face. He was on the sidelines for the anthem.


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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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SP wrote:
Tomlin didn't hide his face. He was on the sidelines for the anthem.


True Perch....stand corrected. Tomlin distributed masks to his players, with the exception of #78.


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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:06 pm 
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SP wrote:
Tomlin didn't hide his face. He was on the sidelines for the anthem.


This bears re-quoting. Tomlin, Haley and two other coaches stood on the sidelines for the anthem as usual. His boys, aside from the Ranger, were in the tunnel and that their decision.

That's the point. They are not slaves. They have a say.

Otherwise, only agree with some of Swiss's rant but fully understand and relate from whence the pain and disgust springs.

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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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i get it.. He's a decorated soldier and not being seen respecting the flag was undesirable/impossible for him...but in the end it threw his teammates under the bus as they were supposed to show solidarity as a team by not kneeling OR standing and sitting the whole thing out. by going on his own he made it look like all the other steelers were protesting anthem which was not the case at all.


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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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sinceiwas4 wrote:
i get it.. He's a decorated soldier and not being seen respecting the flag was undesirable/impossible for him...but in the end it threw his teammates under the bus as they were supposed to show solidarity as a team by not kneeling OR standing and sitting the whole thing out. by going on his own he made it look like all the other steelers were protesting anthem which was not the case at all.



Of course, his teammates could have done as they've done previously, and make the support of #78 a priority and stand WITH him....everyone!!


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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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The whole thing was dumb and a confused mess like a typical Tomlin game plan. If you want to be unified and stay in the locker room like you said then do it. Don't send coaches and one player out.
If you decide to be unified, then keep everyone in the damn tunnel or locker room.


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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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SP wrote:
The whole thing was dumb and a confused mess like a typical Tomlin game plan. If you want to be unified and stay in the locker room like you said then do it. Don't send coaches and one player out.
If you decide to be unified, then keep everyone in the damn tunnel or locker room.


As much as I hated the concept of not standing for the anthem....you're right about the bad look of just a few miscreants absconding from the locker room.


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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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...and thats what i would have preferred to see them do, myself.
the decision was made however, reportedly by whole team, that the only thing they could all agree on was to stay out of the whole drama by remaining, as a team, in private out of the cameras reach. but because of Villy going against that plan despite as much as i appreciate him doing so, it made it look like Steelers were protesting and he couldn't let himself be a part of it. and i think we all know that was not the case.


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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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SP wrote:
The whole thing was dumb and a confused mess like a typical Tomlin game plan. If you want to be unified and stay in the locker room like you said then do it. Don't send coaches and one player out.
If you decide to be unified, then keep everyone in the damn tunnel or locker room.


Yep. This just isn't material to me, however I agree that it looks like exceptionally poor planning. EVERYONE knows V was an army ranger, and everyone knows he's going to honor that flag and tell you so if you ask him. So let them come out and stand/sit as they choose, like every other team. You made the absolute worst decision you could - a microcosm of Tomlin making really bad gut decisions that buck the trend.

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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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SP wrote:
The whole thing was dumb and a confused mess like a typical Tomlin game plan. If you want to be unified and stay in the locker room like you said then do it. Don't send coaches and one player out.
If you decide to be unified, then keep everyone in the damn tunnel or locker room.


yes exactly, they all, Tomlin included, should have stayed in locker room or all taken field and shown support of each other there. only Villaneuva standing there was confusing..and yes almost as much as the gameplan and execution was.


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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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I don't want to candy coat a bad loss to an inferior road team. But this does not alter the divisional standings at all. Interconference losses are literally the least significant loss in terms of playoff tiebreakers.
Also, next week's opponent just lost 44-7 to a supposedly inferior team. Flacco was pulled in that game. So I am annoyed, but not panicking. If they put up another shit effort next week I question if we can even win this weak-tea division.

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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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Kodiak wrote:
SP wrote:
The whole thing was dumb and a confused mess like a typical Tomlin game plan. If you want to be unified and stay in the locker room like you said then do it. Don't send coaches and one player out.
If you decide to be unified, then keep everyone in the damn tunnel or locker room.


Yep. This just isn't material to me, however I agree that it looks like exceptionally poor planning. EVERYONE knows V was an army ranger, and everyone knows he's going to honor that flag and tell you so if you ask him. So let them come out and stand/sit as they choose, like every other team. You made the absolute worst decision you could - a microcosm of Tomlin making really bad gut decisions that buck the trend.



BOOM.

I would argue that he totally contradicted his pregame comments by letting this happen the way it did...and even if every single organizational member had stayed inside as well. He made a divisive statement, even if his gut said otherwise.

EDIT: http://pit.247sports.com/Bolt/Ben-Roeth ... -107929699

You give them the freedom to choose instead of insisting 100% participation one way (how ironic), you limit having to explain yourself like this.


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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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As always his actions and words are a contradiction
It's because his words are bullshit


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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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DrMalba wrote:
I don't want to candy coat a bad loss to an inferior road team. But this does not alter the divisional standings at all. Interconference losses are literally the least significant loss in terms of playoff tiebreakers.
Also, next week's opponent just lost 44-7 to a supposedly inferior team. Flacco was pulled in that game. So I am annoyed, but not panicking. If they put up another shit effort next week I question if we can even win this weak-tea division.


True.

But it's also why this team hasn't sniffed a bye in 6 years and likely won't yet again this year.


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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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The Steelers see football as a platform for themselves and their brand, whether that be Instagram followers or a social movement.The patriots see football is a job and winning as the purpose of that job. Tomlin has no control over the priorities of the team and it showed today


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The Steelers see football as a platform for themselves and their brand, whether that be Instagram followers or a social movement.The patriots see football is a job and winning as the purpose of that job. Tomlin has no control over the priorities of the team and it showed today


You can't be serious with this post.

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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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Still Lit wrote:
dropemjaybird wrote:
The Steelers see football as a platform for themselves and their brand, whether that be Instagram followers or a social movement.The patriots see football is a job and winning as the purpose of that job. Tomlin has no control over the priorities of the team and it showed today


You can't be serious with this post.


I have no idea what Art Rooney II's motivations are.

He seems to be putting up with a lot of mediocrity. Yes- not reflected in the record, but in the quality of play.

I see no shred of the man who publicly challenged Bill Cowher in 2005.

Maybe the Pats have to win 6 before we see that fire again.

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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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I believe these idiots were more concerned with protesting the POTUS than they were playing the game of football. Hope they're pleased with themselves. Because they let down all the fans who support them in the process. Fucking idiots!


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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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Still Lit wrote:
dropemjaybird wrote:
The Steelers see football as a platform for themselves and their brand, whether that be Instagram followers or a social movement.The patriots see football is a job and winning as the purpose of that job. Tomlin has no control over the priorities of the team and it showed today


You can't be serious with this post.


True.

However I would say that simply making the playoffs is more than enough, and Tomlin has been given more than enough talent to make that fairly easy. So, basically, as long as Colbert continues to do his job well he will carry Tomlin.

I think Tomlin is a very average coach who has an opportunity to win another ring, but lacks the fire and determination to put in the work to do so.

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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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I believe these idiots were more concerned with protesting the POTUS than they were playing the game of football!


C'mon, this is complete bullshit.

This team is fully capable of dicking around all week and playing a trap game regardless of political feelz.

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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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Well, they could have just stood on the sidelines like they've done year after year and not played into this whole asinine situation. But no. They had to play follow the leader and attract attention to themselves by doing something no other team has done. Congratulations you won the social justice award of the week and Lost the football game.


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 Post subject: Re: FSBI (Fuck Steelers Best Interest!!)
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I don't know why anthem is played at any sport event ..I don't give a shit who stands or picks their nose..its a free country..i bet north Koreans are ordered to stand during anthems too.. its a dumb sporting event..not patriotism.. ok..fire away.. :lol: further more trump should shut the hell up and stop stoking the fires..


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Exactly bam. Why do these self entitled overrated athletes think they're more important than they are? They play a fucking football game and are overpaid by millions. So what. Play the damn game and leave all the other bullshit distractions outside the stadium. Fans who follow their teams players know who gives back in the community and what individual charity/foundations run year round helping the less fortunate.


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I also thought initially that the whole unification thing was ruined by Villy being all alone outside of the tunnel.CBS broadcast made it look like that was the case.I just saw a photo showing the rest of the team standing no more then 15 feet in back of Villy just inside the tunnel.


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