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 Post subject: Re: Shazier
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He's our playmaker.

Plays too reckless and misses too many tackles to be a truly great, consistent player, but he's too talented and too athletic to not put up games like this every now and then. Huge in the second half when the O was sputtering.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier
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He's our playmaker.

Plays too reckless and misses too many tackles to be a truly great, consistent player, but he's too talented and too athletic to not put up games like this every now and then. Huge in the second half when the O was sputtering.


Dude is Troy P light. If he stays healthy....

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier
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Dude is Troy P light. If he stays healthy....


I'd say he's just about right where Troy was in his 3rd year. Troy had plenty of his own issues staying healthy and 100%, as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier
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Can’t teach blazing speed. He has it and he’s getting better.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier
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TB wrote:
He's our playmaker.

Plays too reckless and misses too many tackles to be a truly great, consistent player, but he's too talented and too athletic to not put up games like this every now and then. Huge in the second half when the O was sputtering.


Meh I have 0 issue with him missing some tackles. Even when he does he sets others up for big plays. On that 4th down I doubt there is a LBer in the league that could've made that play. Shazier has more explosion & athleticism that any other LBer in the NFL his biggest issue has always been the tub. He stays out of it and he will have a shot at being something special.


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Can’t teach blazing speed. He has it and he’s getting better.


Starting to show the same smarts and instincts Troy had.

Lebeau built his defense around Woodson, and then Troy. I think that's probably easier to do with those guys playing DB/S then it is with a LBer.

I like Butler. Never been on the hate bandwagon there, well except for the AFCC which I'd assume was hardly all on Butler.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier
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Dude is Troy P light. If he stays healthy....


I'd say he's just about right where Troy was in his 3rd year. Troy had plenty of his own issues staying healthy and 100%, as well.


That's a stretch. Troy was otherworldly and 2005 was one of his better seasons. Shazier's instincts will never come close to Polamalu's.


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Shazier's instincts will never come close to Polamalu's.


Yeah.....but let's wait until the end of the year. We haven't seen the guy healthy for a full year - a healthy Shazier is, IMO, an All-Pro and darkhorse DPOY candidate.

Yep, Troy was very good in 2005. His third year. This is Shazier's fourth season and hopefully we get a full, healthy year.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier
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Laying the Wood wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
Dude is Troy P light. If he stays healthy....


I'd say he's just about right where Troy was in his 3rd year. Troy had plenty of his own issues staying healthy and 100%, as well.


That's a stretch. Troy was otherworldly and 2005 was one of his better seasons. Shazier's instincts will never come close to Polamalu's.


2005 was when Polamalu came into his own.

His first 2 years, he struggled to stay healthy.

Shazier likely isn't a sure-fire Hall of Famer like Polamalu, but he doesn't have anywhere near the help Troy had (our D isn't nearly as good) and it's very early in Shazier's 3rd season.

The reviews so far are very positive.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier
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 Post subject: Re: Shazier
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I wonder what Zivco is thinking.


That his Cowboys just lost to the Rams at home.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier
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 Post subject: Re: Shazier
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I'm not happy with Shaz missing tackles. IMHO it is unacceptable. You drive into your target wrap him up and take him to the ground. The whole defense has these same issues to be honest. I don't need Shaz to be elite. I need him to make stops by not missing tackles.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier
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KC wrote:
Laying the Wood wrote:
Kodiak wrote:

I'd say he's just about right where Troy was in his 3rd year. Troy had plenty of his own issues staying healthy and 100%, as well.


That's a stretch. Troy was otherworldly and 2005 was one of his better seasons. Shazier's instincts will never come close to Polamalu's.


2005 was when Polamalu came into his own.

His first 2 years, he struggled to stay healthy.

Shazier likely isn't a sure-fire Hall of Famer like Polamalu, but he doesn't have anywhere near the help Troy had (our D isn't nearly as good) and it's very early in Shazier's 3rd season.

The reviews so far are very positive.


I agree that Troy's defenses certainly helped him, but I would also argue just as much, if not more, that Troy was the straw that stirred the drink. If any one player took that defense into the next level, it was him.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier
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Laying the Wood wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
Dude is Troy P light. If he stays healthy....


I'd say he's just about right where Troy was in his 3rd year. Troy had plenty of his own issues staying healthy and 100%, as well.


That's a stretch. Troy was otherworldly and 2005 was one of his better seasons. Shazier's instincts will never come close to Polamalu's.


His instincts on that INT were pretty damm good.


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I'm not happy with Shaz missing tackles. IMHO it is unacceptable. You drive into your target wrap him up and take him to the ground. The whole defense has these same issues to be honest. I don't need Shaz to be elite. I need him to make stops by not missing tackles.
T Polumalu had issues with that as well. He'd bounce off players, but blew up plays enough for team mates to make a play. It that regard I'll take the good with the bad.

He turned around right when the ball arrived to make the int and held on. You can't teach that.

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier
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I'm not happy with Shaz missing tackles. IMHO it is unacceptable. You drive into your target wrap him up and take him to the ground.


Troy flew in and missed tackles, too. Maybe not as many, but he also had more play "in front" of him than Shazier, too.

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I took out the "s", Jeemie!


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier
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johnny on the spot today!! I must say I was mad when he seemed to miss a play that went for first..then next play he makes the pic..he was big today! as hard as offense wanted to shit it away..shaz refused to lose.


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 Post subject: Re: Shazier
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Shazier makes big plays in big games time and time again. He'll never be Levon Kirkland in the run game, but the kid has special traits. The int was huge, but the deflection to Hilton was the WOW play. Huge jump and if he doesn't get a hand on the ball Ravens have a first down at our 20


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Wow...I haven't posted here in years and I still see the word Zivco..me thinks the ladies doth protest too much - still...Anywho todays game was a great example of a team that builds through the draft and a team that uses FA too much because they cannot build through the draft. Like it or not the game changed after 2011 and our D had to too and holy shit if Colbert hasn't fielded the most talented homegrown D in the league again...Shazier Heyward Tuit Watt are the irreplaceable parts but Sean D, Burns, Dupree, Grave Digger, all could become top tier as well. Also watch my damn show I couldnt post for two years cause I was making it... its on cinemax but here is a free link

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 Post subject: Re: Shazier
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SP wrote:
Shazier makes big plays in big games time and time again. He'll never be Levon Kirkland in the run game, but the kid has special traits. The int was huge, but the deflection to Hilton was the WOW play. Huge jump and if he doesn't get a hand on the ball Ravens have a first down at our 20


We need Shazier to make plays. He did today.


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