franco32 wrote:
What a second. I'm supposed to believe that 22 million non-citizens in this country all follow the honor system? Cmon who are we trying to fool here. These elections are razor tight in some cases....especially the electoral college. And, we are to believe there are only 14 people out there voting as non-citizens?
There are very powerful interests out there attacking any sort of study on election integrity. Trump's commission has been trying to get voter info from all the states to further study the issue. Seems harmless right? I mean if there is nothing to hide, why not cooperate? Trump will just look like a fool in the end, right?
Instead, we have States doing everything they can to block information. We have former Obama administration alumni suing the election integrity commission under the little known Paperwork Reduction Act to try to tie them up in court for years. I wonder why?
It doesn't take much to connect the dots here.
This...
Poltargyst, studies can be done to prove anything. And if nobody is checking ID or proving citizenship then your fancy studies are nothing but a waste if time and money. There is only one stat to measure this. Citizen vs non-citizen. ID check. If you can't prove it you can't disprove it either.
What freaking stats are they using if nobody is checking shit at the door? I don't care what their conclusions are because I don't accept their input data to be sufficient.
And if these studies are so great, why not trust them? Why strongly block any efforts to really look into this? You have these studies that say it isn't happening but in an insignificant number. Prove it then. Allow the investigation. You have your studies so what's there to worry about? Or how about just supporting ID laws. What has happened has happened. Make sure it doesn't again. But they won't even do that. And no, it is not for that one bleeding heart out there that just wants to vote so bad but just can't manage to get that elusive ID. For THAT tiny wee bitty segment of people they need to get themselves squared away before they have a say in someone else's life. Getting an ID has never been an issue in this country. That's a myth. You aren't getting on no social assistance without some form of ID. So there isn't even a segment of people. Illegals don't have ID. Oh wait, except for the ones who got them from DMV. Oh and guess what, automatically registered to vote. It happens. Especially in CA.
And they aren't catching people voting illegally because THEY ARENT LOOKING. They have said they aren't looking. People know they aren't looking. So how can you get caught? By who? Men in Black?
This is elementary stuff. I said I was done. If you want to keep debating with me come back with something of substance. Otherwise, just assume Franco's or Kodiak's response if they so choose to be what I'd likely say because they seem to have a reasonable opinion on these matters.
There be no illegals voting cuz we ain't caught nones yet. Ummm are you looking?
Lastly, I live in CA. The Hispanic community here hates Donald Trump. They loathe him. They want him dead.
But they are not going to vote right? Come on. Defies any logic.
If you can get all that sand washed from your eyes, enjoy the game today. Kick off is in a few...
Go Steelers.