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 Post subject: Artie Burns
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:40 pm 
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Love or hate PFF, decent to see him getting some recognition:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/p ... mpaign=nfl

PFF Grade: 82.6

PFF Elite yards per cover snap: 0.39

Artie Burns has began the 2017 season well, and despite being relatively heavily targeted (21 through four games), he has allowed only 11 receptions for 61 yards. Though one of those catches went for a touchdown, he has broken up two of the incompletions, and those 11 receptions have averaged 5.5 yards per catch.

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YPCS measures the yardage conceded when a player is in primary coverage, on a per snap basis. It lets us move a little closer to measuring just how shutdown a corner is.

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 Post subject: Re: Artie Burns
PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:49 pm 
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SteelKnife wrote:
Love or hate PFF, decent to see him getting some recognition:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/p ... mpaign=nfl

PFF Grade: 82.6

PFF Elite yards per cover snap: 0.39

Artie Burns has began the 2017 season well, and despite being relatively heavily targeted (21 through four games), he has allowed only 11 receptions for 61 yards. Though one of those catches went for a touchdown, he has broken up two of the incompletions, and those 11 receptions have averaged 5.5 yards per catch.

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YPCS measures the yardage conceded when a player is in primary coverage, on a per snap basis. It lets us move a little closer to measuring just how shutdown a corner is.


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 Post subject: Re: Artie Burns
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:27 am 
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I have no complaints about Artie. I really don't recall the Ravens throwing much at him either.

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 Post subject: Re: Artie Burns
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:02 am 
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StillerInCT wrote:
I have no complaints about Artie. I really don't recall the Ravens throwing much at him either.


He got burned badly by Wallace because he was trying to jump what he thought was a short route. For some reason Wallace gives him issues.


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 Post subject: Re: Artie Burns
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:07 am 
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steelclan wrote:
StillerInCT wrote:
I have no complaints about Artie. I really don't recall the Ravens throwing much at him either.


He got burned badly by Wallace because he was trying to jump what he thought was a short route. For some reason Wallace gives him issues.

Clan,
did you re-watch that play?
Just wondering did Burns lose him or did he pass him off o the safety?

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 Post subject: Re: Artie Burns
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:08 am 
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Stosh-67 wrote:
steelclan wrote:
StillerInCT wrote:
I have no complaints about Artie. I really don't recall the Ravens throwing much at him either.


He got burned badly by Wallace because he was trying to jump what he thought was a short route. For some reason Wallace gives him issues.

Clan,
did you re-watch that play?
Just wondering did Burns lose him or did he pass him off o the safety?


Yep looked like Burns read and tried to jump a short route got badly turned around by Wallace.


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 Post subject: Re: Artie Burns
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:23 pm 
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He's played well and only getting better. This D is gonna round into shape real nice like so long as tuitt/heyward/watt/shaz stay healthy.


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 Post subject: Re: Artie Burns
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:53 am 
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Sutton was just as good as Burns in college maybe better. His ability to shut down a receiver is not the issue Sutton's health is the issue. An Ankle plagued him in college and now he's got a hamstring. I think we've learned our lesson with Golson and we won't hang on to this kid if he can't physically get onto the field. But if he can get onto the field he's going to be an immense help


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 Post subject: Re: Artie Burns
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:48 pm 
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I think Sutton could be the punt returner to replace Brown, just never thought Rogers was going to be able to do the job. If you look at some of his college highlights as a punt returner, Sutton was very good, very deceptive with his moves and speed and a great pair of hands to make the catch. Rogers just looks unnatural as a punt returner, it is laborious with him.

I will say this I am impressed with everybody in the secondary making more plays on the ball. I can't remember a 4 game stretch where I have seen so many instances of our guys playing the catch point of the WR/TE/RB, usually they are 3-5 yards off their man. Just in this past game, I saw examples of Burns, Hilton, Davis all making plays where they were able to stick their hand in and break up the pass and not draw a flag by hooking or turning the offensive player with their other hand.

It kind of makes you wonder where this came from all of a sudden. Did Carnell Lake just figure out how to coach? Did Joe Haden give tips and pointers to his new teammates? Or is it because you need to have talented players to begin with? And then the courage to implement more tight coverage and allow them to make plays?

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 Post subject: Re: Artie Burns
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I think Sutton could be the punt returner to replace Brown, just never thought Rogers was going to be able to do the job. If you look at some of his college highlights as a punt returner, Sutton was very good, very deceptive with his moves and speed and a great pair of hands to make the catch. Rogers just looks unnatural as a punt returner, it is laborious with him.

I will say this I am impressed with everybody in the secondary making more plays on the ball. I can't remember a 4 game stretch where I have seen so many instances of our guys playing the catch point of the WR/TE/RB, usually they are 3-5 yards off their man. Just in this past game, I saw examples of Burns, Hilton, Davis all making plays where they were able to stick their hand in and break up the pass and not draw a flag by hooking or turning the offensive player with their other hand.

It kind of makes you wonder where this came from all of a sudden. Did Carnell Lake just figure out how to coach? Did Joe Haden give tips and pointers to his new teammates? Or is it because you need to have talented players to begin with? And then the courage to implement more tight coverage and allow them to make plays?


Being able to generate the occasional pass rush where a blitz isn't necessary also makes it easier to allow tighter coverage in the secondary. The ability to get pressure more consistently without committing blitzers has a ripple effect.


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 Post subject: Re: Artie Burns
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Old School Steeler wrote:
Sutton was just as good as Burns in college maybe better. His ability to shut down a receiver is not the issue Sutton's health is the issue. An Ankle plagued him in college and now he's got a hamstring. I think we've learned our lesson with Golson and we won't hang on to this kid if he can't physically get onto the field. But if he can get onto the field he's going to be an immense help


Hilton literally made me forget all about Sutton. What a freaking find.

College production is irrelevant if your NFL ceiling is lower. Burns was all about NFL potential and he has lived up to it. If Sutton has half the ceiling of Burns, this secondary will be as deep as any.

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 Post subject: Re: Artie Burns
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My opinion of Burns is he still has a long way to go. I'm not saying he sucks cause he does not. I'm not saying he's lockdown either. Cause he's not. Burns has a long ways to go. Davis I wasn't impressed with until this last game. He showed us fans he can come out and ball even if he's hurt. Davis has a long ways to go. Hilton has been quiet really since his preseason debut. He is usually around the ball carrier and covers the bigger RB/WR good enough. He has a long ways to go. Haden looks rock solid. Haden has some limitations and will never really be any better (I think) than he is right now. Love to see Sutton get some playtime just to see where he's at and what he can do. Same with Allen. I see Allen is earning his stripes on ST's too.


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 Post subject: Re: Artie Burns
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:15 pm 
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Steelafan77 wrote:
My opinion of Burns is he still has a long way to go. I'm not saying he sucks cause he does not. I'm not saying he's lockdown either. Cause he's not. Burns has a long ways to go. Davis I wasn't impressed with until this last game. He showed us fans he can come out and ball even if he's hurt. Davis has a long ways to go. Hilton has been quiet really since his preseason debut. He is usually around the ball carrier and covers the bigger RB/WR good enough. He has a long ways to go. Haden looks rock solid. Haden has some limitations and will never really be any better (I think) than he is right now. Love to see Sutton get some playtime just to see where he's at and what he can do. Same with Allen. I see Allen is earning his stripes on ST's too.


Being "quiet" as CB is a good thing. Burns outside of a few pens and getting badly burned by Wallace for taking poor step anticipating slant/inside route has been excellent.

Haden tough to judge he has been sitting in a ton of zone coverage.

Davis was better but he still makes mistakes that need to be cleaned up: for example on Wallace TD. Couple issues: first was why the fuck did Steelers drop 8 & rush 3? Second issue was Davis (an educated guess based on coverage) biting on TE route underneath and allowing Wallace to run free through the zone. TE was covered and even if he catches it isn't go very far. No need for Davis to jump on that route. He needed to drop into zone covering Wallace's wheel route. If he does so Flacco has an extremely tight window on timing throw. Considering how close Haden and Davis came to making a play on ball little doubt Davis if he doesn't bite on TE stops that throw and forces Flacco to look elsewhere.


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