It is currently Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:47 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 72 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:33 pm
Posts: 16332
Bell was extremely consistent as a runner, which plays right into "I'd run it 4 downs in a row if I could" Haley's philosophy. Bell was also #1 in the NFL last year in short yardage situations. That's who he is.

Of course, they took away the short yardage job from him so far, but that may have more to do with his apparent lack of 100% explosion compared to last year.

If Bell is in, they just go crazy giving him the ball, that is clear. Yes, last year's team seemed to do well when they ran through Bell, just as the previous year's team did well with Ben gunslinging. Just as 2014's did in the second half of season with a more balanced attack. Every year is different and this year's personnel is much closer to the balance of 2014 than last year's guys off the street.

Last week wasn't a particularly good example of what this team is-- they basically got up 19-0 and decided to end the game as quickly as possible after that point. Prevent D, run the shit out of the ball for 30+ minutes.

_________________
Suwanee88 wrote:
But it’s your fault that you are kind of a stubborn jagoff that would argue with a fence post


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:14 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:19 am
Posts: 9676
Quote:
Antonio Brown‏
Verified account
 @AB84 58m

Apologize for all the noise and the distractions Steeler nation let's stay focus #Pushfor7
[/quote]

Big ol' nothing burger.

Why anyone cares that AB beat up a Gatorade container is beyond me.

He seems like the kind of guy that let's his passion get the best of him and who also recognizes when he did so inappropriately after the fact.

_________________
TB wrote:
Breaking news: Tom Brady is also better than Ben Roethlisberger. Jerry Rice is better than Antonio Brown. Your mom is a bigger slut than my mom.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:16 pm
Posts: 6763
Moving on

Let's kick the Jags asses

Who cares that he assaulted the Gatorade jug and threw a tantrum?

FUCK it.

_________________
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GflYTviOIag


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:05 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:01 am
Posts: 11331
When Bell is in the lineup, PIT is going to run the ball more and throw to the backs more. Only one football. Someone(s) is getting less passes thrown their way.

As for Bell, I've seen flashes of the speed and burst. I'm pretty well convinced he's making conscious efforts to avoid big collisions at full speed. That will change later in the year when he realizes he needs to bust his ass just to earn an $8M/yr contract offer.

_________________
------------------------------------------------------


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:08 pm
Posts: 6330
BarryFoster wrote:
Moving on

Let's kick the Jags asses

Who cares that he assaulted the Gatorade jug and threw a tantrum?

FUCK it.
You would have prefered he FUCKED the gatorade jug?

Now that would have been something to see. Better than being bitch slapped by a field goal practice net.

_________________
"I wish Fraudlin would get testicular cancer and die after he watches me anally penetrate his wife."


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:05 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:01 am
Posts: 11331
COR-TEN wrote:
You would have prefered he FUCKED the gatorade jug?

Now that would have been something to see. Better than being bitch slapped by a field goal practice net.


I really have no issue with what AB did. I like seeing the passion. This team could probably use some more of that in some of the disinterested, sloppy road losses to inferior teams.

_________________
------------------------------------------------------


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:48 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:14 pm
Posts: 3295
Location: Upstate NY
Kodiak wrote:
COR-TEN wrote:
You would have prefered he FUCKED the gatorade jug?

Now that would have been something to see. Better than being bitch slapped by a field goal practice net.


I really have no issue with what AB did. I like seeing the passion. This team could probably use some more of that in some of the disinterested, sloppy road losses to inferior teams.


So with you stating you're ok with what AB did, in your opinion was it ok for him to put his hands up like wtf, toss the Gatorade jug, fiercely slap away the coaches hand that is on your shoulder trying to talk you down off the ledge?


In my opinion all of is detrimental to the cause. I would of sat that mother fucker on the bench for that shit and told him to sit his ass down and cry over there and he can try and play next week with his teammates.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:30 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:01 am
Posts: 11331
SteelThrillsseeker wrote:
So with you stating you're ok with what AB did, in your opinion was it ok for him to put his hands up like wtf, toss the Gatorade jug, fiercely slap away the coaches hand that is on your shoulder trying to talk you down off the ledge?


Slapping away a coach's hand, no.

The rest of it, sure. We've seen Brady at least that demonstrative on the sideline many times. And if it's ok for Ben to wave and gesture at receivers after they screw up, then it's certainly ok for AB.

Sure, AB is a diva and we've seen him pout when he's not getting the ball. But he's also a fierce competitor, and sometimes that fire is lacking in the team.

_________________
------------------------------------------------------


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:11 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:35 pm
Posts: 7615
Scunge wrote:
And again, I would like to point out that the offense produced just 26 points.

They weren't trying to score more. They turtled the entire second half against a team whose offense they had no respect for.

Scunge wrote:
26 points is not going to get it done against NE or Atlanta or Green Bay in post season play.

They know that. When they play those teams, they will try to score the whole game.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:48 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:01 am
Posts: 11331
Poltargyst wrote:
They turtled the entire second half against a team whose offense they had no respect for.


Which is fair. A win is a win.

But you there are very few teams you can count out like that, regardless of the first half or previous games. And it's gotten them in trouble before.

Additionally, the offense played well in the first half. Seems like maybe they could have used a full game of work given how poorly they played the first 3 games. Or at least work on some things you'd like to do, or like to do better. They threw away 2 quarters of opportunity to get better on offense. And maybe if they hadn't fucked the goat against Chicago they wouldn't have had to do that.

_________________
------------------------------------------------------


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:10 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:14 pm
Posts: 1920
Sorry, but I can't just endorse the way this offense approached this game.

The score was 19 to 9 in the 4th quarter and the defense came up big by getting two INTs. If Shazier hadn't made his INT the Ravens would have been in our territory at the Steelers 40-45? If Shazier hadn't tipped the pass and Hilton intercepted, if that pass had sailed over Shazier to Campanero it would have been to the Steelers 20-25?

I love that our defense is playing great and coming up with these takeaways but doing so against a washed up Joe Flacco isn't going to happen every week. The idea that we thought 19 points was enough and turtling is the type of loser mentality that does not produce championships.

Also, if Brandon Williams is there playing NT this game it probably is totally different. Williams is that damn good, always gives Pouncey trouble.

We are at the first quarter mark and Bryant has 10 catches and 1 TD, that is on pace for 40 catches and 4 TDs. Not really the great #2 WR production that I was hoping for. I thought he would approach 65 catches, over 1,000 yards, 10-11 TDs at least. Nope. He is on pace for 40 catches, for 730 yards and 4 TDs. Wonderful.

Bryant's catch percentage is the lowest it has ever been in his NFL career. In 2014-2015 he was at 54% for both seasons, this year? 43.5%.

Haley could have Randy Moss and Antonio Gates playing with Brown and Bell and still not know how to run or call an offense to utilize all of that talent.

_________________
#greendot51


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:26 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:22 am
Posts: 8900
Agreed Scunge. We have been clamoring for all of these asshats to be on the field together and so far it’s been rather boring.

I think one large remaining issue is the TE position. One of the least talented units in the league. We don’t have a seam buster, don’t have a sure fire red zone threat, don’t have the point guard mismatch. We have a couple decent try hard blockers who will make a catch here and there.

I personally think McDonald can be a weapon but so far he has been in absentia


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:29 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:01 am
Posts: 11331
Orangesteel wrote:
I think one large remaining issue is the TE position. One of the least talented units in the league. We don’t have a seam buster, don’t have a sure fire red zone threat, don’t have the point guard mismatch.


Wouldn't matter if the receivers and RB were as advertised. JJ is just fine as a complementary role player. He's been, arguably, our 2nd leading receiver....and that's the problem.

_________________
------------------------------------------------------


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:23 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:34 am
Posts: 5500
McDonald dropping everything thrown to him doesn't exactly make Ben want to keep going in that direction.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:38 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:26 pm
Posts: 4064
I hate to be an arm-chair QB but our offense is atrocious. We have all these weapons and it seems like we actively try to not score as many points as we can. We literally have to play perfect offense to win games with our style. I really don't understand our ultra-conservative style of play at all. It really makes no sense with our personnel given that talent-wise there isn't an offense in the league that can stack up against us. We have a top OLine unit, a 2x super bowl winning QB, an elite WR, an elite RB, another WR who has a ridiculous ceiling, and a pretty good TE (Even though most here seem to hate him for some reason)....and we come in with a gameplan the Jets should be using.

_________________
"Antonio Brown doesn't need to respond to anything," Tomlin said. "He walks into stadiums and he's Antonio Brown and he made Antonio Brown plays."


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:02 am 
Haley is a moron

But the game plan against Baltimore was damn near perfect. Thats pretty much all i can ask for. There is alot to be said for MartyBall when you are executing 10 minute drives, holding your opponent to single digits, and the only chance they have are some massive fuckupd on your part.

A division win on the road is fine by me


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:03 am 
As for Bryant. Im beginning to think the Steelers might try to keep him around longterm.


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:43 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:33 pm
Posts: 16332
Kodiak wrote:
Orangesteel wrote:
I think one large remaining issue is the TE position. One of the least talented units in the league. We don’t have a seam buster, don’t have a sure fire red zone threat, don’t have the point guard mismatch.


Wouldn't matter if the receivers and RB were as advertised. JJ is just fine as a complementary role player. He's been, arguably, our 2nd leading receiver....and that's the problem.

I disagree. TE has its own role and you still have to be able to fill the role well, regardless of what WRs and RBs are doing. The stuff like taking advantage of underneath space is one thing, attacking the seam in a way that opens up the run and clears out for other receivers (like what Xavier Grimble did a little of last year) is huge.

_________________
Suwanee88 wrote:
But it’s your fault that you are kind of a stubborn jagoff that would argue with a fence post


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:38 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:22 am
Posts: 8900
Chef and Perch from the podcast have me thinking; looking back at the BAL game plan, it was enough to win although it was almost a one score game well into the 4th quarter.

Here is what comes to mind. Football is a fast, violent game. It is a looooong season and if you get to the dance you have a chance. Sort of. It’s probably not possible to be firing on all cylinders offensively for 16 straight weeks and expect to do the same come January. Weather, injuries, burnout, all of that shit happens.

If Tomlin & Co. approach each game with a plan that gives us the best chance to win, and more often than not we do win, then I’m not sure what I can be pissed about. 10-1 in our last regular season games; how can anyone argue with that.

However, I’m still 100 percent convinced you need home field to get past NE or maybe even KC this year, so dropping a game in the fashion we did to the Bears is still not acceptable. We actually have a pretty tough schedule this year:

Lions
Packers
Texans
Patriots
Titans

Winning is everything, but sloppy play, penalties and poor execution persist. I don’t know, I’m just babbling at this point. All I know is most offensive series it doesn’t look like these guys even practice together and it’s very weird. But if we keep winning, what can you say?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:43 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:14 pm
Posts: 3295
Location: Upstate NY
Kodiak wrote:
SteelThrillsseeker wrote:
So with you stating you're ok with what AB did, in your opinion was it ok for him to put his hands up like wtf, toss the Gatorade jug, fiercely slap away the coaches hand that is on your shoulder trying to talk you down off the ledge?


Slapping away a coach's hand, no.

The rest of it, sure. We've seen Brady at least that demonstrative on the sideline many times. And if it's ok for Ben to wave and gesture at receivers after they screw up, then it's certainly ok for AB.

Sure, AB is a diva and we've seen him pout when he's not getting the ball. But he's also a fierce competitor, and sometimes that fire is lacking in the team.


I understand your point. Fuck Tom Brady by the way. I could give two shits about his sideline tantrums and the ensuing sac licking love fest by the media when that happens. Ben pointing at a receiver because they fucked up somehow I'm ok with, AB whining like a bitch because he was wide open and Ben didn't see him, I'm not ok with it. Maybe that's just AB trying to hold Ben accountable like your example of Ben to his WR's but I see it as Ben is trying not to get sacked and rolling right under pressure, why Ben motioning to a certain WR for running an incomplete route is not the same thing. Either way your point is taken. The missing fire is a good point. We sure do need some more fire.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:09 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:48 pm
Posts: 1463
Orangesteel wrote:
Chef and Perch from the podcast have me thinking; looking back at the BAL game plan, it was enough to win although it was almost a one score game well into the 4th quarter.

Here is what comes to mind. Football is a fast, violent game. It is a looooong season and if you get to the dance you have a chance. Sort of. It’s probably not possible to be firing on all cylinders offensively for 16 straight weeks and expect to do the same come January. Weather, injuries, burnout, all of that shit happens.

If Tomlin & Co. approach each game with a plan that gives us the best chance to win, and more often than not we do win, then I’m not sure what I can be pissed about. 10-1 in our last regular season games; how can anyone argue with that.

However, I’m still 100 percent convinced you need home field to get past NE or maybe even KC this year, so dropping a game in the fashion we did to the Bears is still not acceptable. We actually have a pretty tough schedule this year:

Lions
Packers
Texans
Patriots
Titans

Winning is everything, but sloppy play, penalties and poor execution persist. I don’t know, I’m just babbling at this point. All I know is most offensive series it doesn’t look like these guys even practice together and it’s very weird. But if we keep winning, what can you say?

While I agree with much that everyone has said as far as not keeping their foot on the pedal and putting teams away early, I have been trying to think why Tomlin et al would do what they do in this regard.
I believe Tomlin and company believe if you have a decent lead and it's early in a long season, they take into account the chance of injuries or reducing the chance of them. My guess is that they feel they put far fewer starters at risk of injury when they play "turtle ball", somewhat. Think about it. The only real position you put at risk (or more risk, at least) is the RB position by running the ball so much. Ben, TEs, WRs and OL (hurt more in pass pro than run blocking) are very protected, compared to throwing a lot. If you're running with a lot of success then your D is also off the field quite a bit. That's my take at least. If true, I hope they rotate their RBs more in the future to reduce the chance of risk to Bell.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Ben calls out Antonio
PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:01 am
Posts: 11331
DP39 wrote:
I believe Tomlin and company believe if you have a decent lead and it's early in a long season, they take into account the chance of injuries or reducing the chance of them. My guess is that they feel they put far fewer starters at risk of injury when they play "turtle ball", somewhat.


I think every team does this to some extent, except NE. Most teams wait longer, and with a much bigger lead.

Cowher was the same way. Two score lead in 2nd half = milk clock, minimize mistakes and protect your defense. I think it's a wasted opportunity to make your team better and more versatile (hmmm, something NE is known for). I also think such an ultra-conservative approach is pretty obsolete/stupid in today's NFL.

It's no coincidence the Steelers replaced Cowher with a guy a lot like him. Of course, Cowher didn't usually get "outcoached" until deep in the playoffs against a future HOFer at QB and eventual SB champion.

_________________
------------------------------------------------------


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 72 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: CdnSteelerFan, Google [Bot] and 15 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
cron
FORUM RULES --- PRIVACY POLICY




Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group