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You guys need to go find some video and see the context and tone in which he says those words..he was being facetious.


True... He was more annoyed with the media than anything else


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For him to say the words and put that out there, his vag has taken over. Bye.

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There is nothing wrong with Ben. The offense just needs to gel. AB was hot today. Bell was back in form. The other receivers need to pick it up. They need to take a game and force the shit out of it to Bryant.

Then get some damn diversity in the play calling and the diversity with the reads. It feels like they just keep going back to the Madden play that always works on the PS3.


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Alex smith would be a perfect vessel for the bullshit preached by this staff

100% agree. He is Todd Haley's dream QB.

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Alex smith would be a perfect vessel for the bullshit preached by this staff


He's probably a good fit for Haley ball.....but this board unanimously thought Alex Smith was a journeyman, at best, last year. Has been his whole career. Having a good season but don't be fooled.

Has nothing to do with me thinking he's a journeyman-- he fits precisely because he is primarily interested in getting rid of the ball in 1.8 seconds and he can run a little.

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Alex smith would be a perfect vessel for the bullshit preached by this staff

100% agree. He is Todd Haley's dream QB.


I would 100% take Smith over Ben with this offense.

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Alex Smith leads the league in QB rating and completion percentage. He's also one of the more athletic QBs and rarely turns the ball over. He's done with KC after this year. They've got their young QB ready to go.

Steelers also scouted Cousins heavily. If Ben hangs em up I bet they sign one of those two.


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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
Gonzo wrote:
Alex smith would be a perfect vessel for the bullshit preached by this staff


He's probably a good fit for Haley ball.....but this board unanimously thought Alex Smith was a journeyman, at best, last year. Has been his whole career. Having a good season but don't be fooled.

Has nothing to do with me thinking he's a journeyman-- he fits precisely because he is primarily interested in getting rid of the ball in 1.8 seconds and he can run a little.


Correct. I am not bad mouthing Alex Smith he is what he is and what he is is what Haley Tomlin really want IMO.
I am saying Ben is 100% miscast with this team. They don't want what he is best at and asking him to do what they want for that money doesn't make sense.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:46 am 
If I was Ben its him or me time with Haley. If the Steelers stick with Haley id go play for Bruce in Arz


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Donnie Brasco wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
You guys need to go find some video and see the context and tone in which he says those words..he was being facetious.


Imagine is Brady or Bell or AB having an atrocious game and then acting "facetious". You'd all label them thin-skinned, me-first, douchebags. And you'd be right.

For Ben's sake, I hope he was sincere. Regardless, I wish he wasn't "facetious" about his retirement threat. He's no longer a franchise QB. He wasn't a franchise QB in the playoffs last year. He didn't just fall off a cliff.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben. "Maybe I don't have it anymore"
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Ben isn't anywhere near Peyton Manning done when Peyton won the SB...although that was with an insane D which we don't have.

The thing is...he's throwing lasers out there mixed in with some of these balls that sail. It's inconsistent and when I look at it...it seems to be mechanics with his footwork. If he doesn't step into it enough, the ball sails. I don't get where the inconsistency is coming from.

What I do know is that our "weapons" are overrated. Badly. AB is still great, but Bell IMO is on a downward trajectory already. Go back and look at his film in space a year or two ago. He's a different player now. In any sort of space he badly struggles and is getting brought down more easily. He's lost quickness.

So, has MB. Alien doesn't have that burst anymore. Again...go watch the film from 2 years ago. He's in another gear now.

James is a solid TE but he's never going to threaten with YAC.

So, the truth is that the offensive struggles are playcalling, some on Ben, and some on the supporting cast declining or being less than we thought they would be.

If you couldn't see the difference in athleticism and team speed yesterday when we had the ball, you are being willfully blind. Too easy to pile this all on Ben. There is a lot more to this.


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As bad as this was it really is still early. Plus every team has issues, not just us. I still see a few eye popping offensive performances in the future. Just like the inconsistency of the Steelers to do that. Ben will have a 7 td game next week.

Crazy going from odds on SB favorite to wash up in two days. Ha

Biggest strategic question to me is what to do about qb next season. To me this just moved from back to front burner. I have no idea where bens heads at. Maybe nobody does but him. But whatever the Steelers choose to do is going to define the next 5+ years.

What I would do if I were tomlin but with the power to actually influence things, is draft a qb very early followed by a rb, and bring in my favorite OC.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben. "Maybe I don't have it anymore"
PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:51 am 
If theyd promote Fitchner Ben would be here til 40+


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I’m curious if Ben continues to take his veteran day off on Wednesday’s.

A true leader cannot be happy with the results of this offense. Whether the reason is him, Haley, Tomlin matters not. The results suck which means the unit needs more work not less.

As a team leader he should see this himself and shame on him if he doesn’t.

Same goes for Tomlin if he continues to foster an environment where grossly underperforming vets are rewarded with days off.


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Orangesteel wrote:
This whole team fucking sucks

As Ben goes, so go the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Haven't you been paying attention?

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If theyd promote Fitchner Ben would be here til 40+


Maybe. But there’s another assumption needed. If they would promote fitchner AND he’d be allowed to run his system.

Last guy that ran his system on offense “retired” to now head coach the cardinals. Guy before him who ran his system won the championship but didn’t get the HC role which effectively showed him the door too.

Lesson is, run the damn offense we want you to.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben. "Maybe I don't have it anymore"
PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:46 am 
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If theyd promote Fitchner Ben would be here til 40+


Maybe. But there’s another assumption needed. If they would promote fitchner AND he’d be allowed to run his system.

Last guy that ran his system on offense “retired” to now head coach the cardinals. Guy before him who ran his system won the championship but didn’t get the HC role which effectively showed him the door too.

Lesson is, run the damn offense we want you to.



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I’m curious if Ben continues to take his veteran day off on Wednesday’s.

A true leader cannot be happy with the results of this offense. Whether the reason is him, Haley, Tomlin matters not. The results suck which means the unit needs more work not less.

As a team leader he should see this himself and shame on him if he doesn’t.

Same goes for Tomlin if he continues to foster an environment where grossly underperforming vets are rewarded with days off.


Was just gonna comment on that 95.

We will fix this all on Wednesday.....
Unless its another vet day off for #7.
We will see.

I have thought for a long time that Ben thinks he can just step on the field and sling the ball around and win games.
And thats exactly what he did early on.
It all came so easy too early for him.
So early success for him meant he could just keep doing what he does and stick to his routines.


I do not think he works on his game nearly as much as the top QB's.
From off-season, to OTAs, to mini camp, pres-season, game weeks, pre-game, etc.

I've been to training camp a few times over the years.
He is cozy and laid back when he is on the field.
I get you can not have the engines firing on all cylinders....... all the time
There is very little intensity in the way he conducts his team in practice.
They lack the sharpness and precision in practice
It carries over to the field.
Make practice game like situations and intensity.............then it will carry over to the field.
Sloppy practices with less intensity = false starts, illegal formations, slow off the snap, slow foot work, slow stepping and throwing.
It can't help but carry over to games.
And it shows.

From his every third day off in camp.
To the 2 series and 9 passes in one pre-season game.

His pre-game warm up has zero intensity. And it has been this way for a long time. Watched it in person yesterday. Has been his routine for many games i've been to.

Most of the team is out early, running, stretching, warming up. Getting in stance and bursting out as if to simulate a snap. 1 1/2 - 2 hours before the game.
Then they head in and get dressed and come back out to do a little more intense warm ups with some light hitting, pass catching, INT drills, OL and DL working in sync, etc. etc.
Then whole team, spread across their side of the field in rows............. doing running drills side to side,
You then have 52 guys laying out across the field stretching, etc.....
And then there is Ben. Walking around while the other 52 are laying down. Goes to each player and shakes their hand with a little comment. ( yes, he has been doing this forever )
Then heads over to a coach or two for some words, then heads over to a ref to chew the fat a few minutes.
I'm watching it...........52 other must see it too.

He then warms up with some throws to WR's and backs. Just playing catch and tossing passes to guys lined up running routes.
His first set of warm up throws are flat footed on left hash mark. No foot work, not stepping into anything, he makes half the throws and a coach standing next to him makes some throws. They are alternating throws ( you only have so many throws in an arm - B.R. ) Then to right hash mark and a little footwork drop back and another dozen passes or so.
Then lofts some flat footed 30-40 foot floaters for guys streaking towards the endzone.

If there is no intensity with footwork and passes before the game.
Well then your footwork will be off and you will be sailing high, and sailing out of bounds, not stepping into throws, etc once the game starts.

To me, he does not get emotionally ready for the start of a game. Does not get his game face on. Is not intense from the get go with a sense of urgency.
Does not throw on the sidelines when the defense is on the field. Almost never.

Guess what. 52 other guys are watching their captain and his lackadaisical approach. Taking it easy.
Don't worry. Once the game starts.
We got this approach.
Once we step on that field......................

The switch does not get turned on at 1:00 P.M. on Sundays.

That was hard to type about a great Steeler.

On October 17th of 2004.
Almost 13 years to the day.
I watched the Steelers play a game vs. Dallas with my brother. He is a Cowboys fan.
Ben led the team back from down 20-10 going into the 4th , with two 4th quarter drives to win the game 24-20
He was amazing. 21 of 25 - 2 TDs.

I said to my brother.
"We have ourselves a QB"
He said. "Yes you do"

This week.
Monday thru Saturday, will tell us what the rest of the 2017 season will look like with #7 under center.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben. "Maybe I don't have it anymore"
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Stosh-67 wrote:
We will fix this all on Wednesday.....
Unless its another vet day off for #7.
We will see.

I have thought for a long time that Ben thinks he can just step on the field and sling the ball around and win games.
And thats exactly what he did early on.
It all came so easy too early for him.
So early success for him meant he could just keep doing what he does and stick to his routines.


I do not think he works on his game nearly as much as the top QB's.
From off-season, to OTAs, to mini camp, pres-season, game weeks, pre-game, etc.

I've been to training camp a few times over the years.
He is cozy and laid back when he is on the field.
I get you can not have the engines firing on all cylinders....... all the time
There is very little intensity in the way he conducts his team in practice.
They lack the sharpness and precision in practice
It carries over to the field.
Make practice game like situations and intensity.............then it will carry over to the field.
Sloppy practices with less intensity = false starts, illegal formations, slow off the snap, slow foot work, slow stepping and throwing.
It can't help but carry over to games.
And it shows.

From his every third day off in camp.
To the 2 series and 9 passes in one pre-season game.

His pre-game warm up has zero intensity. And it has been this way for a long time. Watched it in person yesterday. Has been his routine for many games i've been to.

Most of the team is out early, running, stretching, warming up. Getting in stance and bursting out as if to simulate a snap. 1 1/2 - 2 hours before the game.
Then they head in and get dressed and come back out to do a little more intense warm ups with some light hitting, pass catching, INT drills, OL and DL working in sync, etc. etc.
Then whole team, spread across their side of the field in rows............. doing running drills side to side,
You then have 52 guys laying out across the field stretching, etc.....
And then there is Ben. Walking around while the other 52 are laying down. Goes to each player and shakes their hand with a little comment. ( yes, he has been doing this forever )
Then heads over to a coach or two for some words, then heads over to a ref to chew the fat a few minutes.
I'm watching it...........52 other must see it too.

He then warms up with some throws to WR's and backs. Just playing catch and tossing passes to guys lined up running routes.
His first set of warm up throws are flat footed on left hash mark. No foot work, not stepping into anything, he makes half the throws and a coach standing next to him makes some throws. They are alternating throws ( you only have so many throws in an arm - B.R. ) Then to right hash mark and a little footwork drop back and another dozen passes or so.
Then lofts some flat footed 30-40 foot floaters for guys streaking towards the endzone.

If there is no intensity with footwork and passes before the game.
Well then your footwork will be off and you will be sailing high, and sailing out of bounds, not stepping into throws, etc once the game starts.

To me, he does not get emotionally ready for the start of a game. Does not get his game face on. Is not intense from the get go with a sense of urgency.
Does not throw on the sidelines when the defense is on the field. Almost never.

Guess what. 52 other guys are watching their captain and his lackadaisical approach. Taking it easy.
Don't worry. Once the game starts.
We got this approach.
Once we step on that field......................

The switch does not get turned on at 1:00 P.M. on Sundays.

That was hard to type about a great Steeler.

On October 17th of 2004.
Almost 13 years to the day.
I watched the Steelers play a game vs. Dallas with my brother. He is a Cowboys fan.
Ben led the team back from down 20-10 going into the 4th , with two 4th quarter drives to win the game 24-20
He was amazing. 21 of 25 - 2 TDs.

I said to my brother.
"We have ourselves a QB"
He said. "Yes you do"

This week.
Monday thru Saturday, will tell us what the rest of the 2017 season will look like with #7 under center.
Totally agree. I was thinking much the same in another thread. Thanks for confirming and posting BR's pre-game preparation, if you want to call it that. I'm speculating that his lower half is permanently affected - just doesn't have the bounce anymore. He's thrown the ball away more times in the first 5 games this year than I've seen in the last five years. He seems to be playing scared, tentative, and what outwardly appears apathetic. Coupled with deteriorating physical skills and you get average play from a superstar.

The other 52 players see how BR prepares, and the other 31 teams watch his play and Haley's offense.

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Stosh-67 wrote:
955876 wrote:
I’m curious if Ben continues to take his veteran day off on Wednesday’s.

A true leader cannot be happy with the results of this offense. Whether the reason is him, Haley, Tomlin matters not. The results suck which means the unit needs more work not less.

As a team leader he should see this himself and shame on him if he doesn’t.

Same goes for Tomlin if he continues to foster an environment where grossly underperforming vets are rewarded with days off.


Was just gonna comment on that 95.

We will fix this all on Wednesday.....
Unless its another vet day off for #7.
We will see.

I have thought for a long time that Ben thinks he can just step on the field and sling the ball around and win games.
And thats exactly what he did early on.
It all came so easy too early for him.
So early success for him meant he could just keep doing what he does and stick to his routines.


I do not think he works on his game nearly as much as the top QB's.
From off-season, to OTAs, to mini camp, pres-season, game weeks, pre-game, etc.

I've been to training camp a few times over the years.
He is cozy and laid back when he is on the field.
I get you can not have the engines firing on all cylinders....... all the time
There is very little intensity in the way he conducts his team in practice.
They lack the sharpness and precision in practice
It carries over to the field.
Make practice game like situations and intensity.............then it will carry over to the field.
Sloppy practices with less intensity = false starts, illegal formations, slow off the snap, slow foot work, slow stepping and throwing.
It can't help but carry over to games.
And it shows.

From his every third day off in camp.
To the 2 series and 9 passes in one pre-season game.

His pre-game warm up has zero intensity. And it has been this way for a long time. Watched it in person yesterday. Has been his routine for many games i've been to.

Most of the team is out early, running, stretching, warming up. Getting in stance and bursting out as if to simulate a snap. 1 1/2 - 2 hours before the game.
Then they head in and get dressed and come back out to do a little more intense warm ups with some light hitting, pass catching, INT drills, OL and DL working in sync, etc. etc.
Then whole team, spread across their side of the field in rows............. doing running drills side to side,
You then have 52 guys laying out across the field stretching, etc.....
And then there is Ben. Walking around while the other 52 are laying down. Goes to each player and shakes their hand with a little comment. ( yes, he has been doing this forever )
Then heads over to a coach or two for some words, then heads over to a ref to chew the fat a few minutes.
I'm watching it...........52 other must see it too.

He then warms up with some throws to WR's and backs. Just playing catch and tossing passes to guys lined up running routes.
His first set of warm up throws are flat footed on left hash mark. No foot work, not stepping into anything, he makes half the throws and a coach standing next to him makes some throws. They are alternating throws ( you only have so many throws in an arm - B.R. ) Then to right hash mark and a little footwork drop back and another dozen passes or so.
Then lofts some flat footed 30-40 foot floaters for guys streaking towards the endzone.

If there is no intensity with footwork and passes before the game.
Well then your footwork will be off and you will be sailing high, and sailing out of bounds, not stepping into throws, etc once the game starts.

To me, he does not get emotionally ready for the start of a game. Does not get his game face on. Is not intense from the get go with a sense of urgency.
Does not throw on the sidelines when the defense is on the field. Almost never.

Guess what. 52 other guys are watching their captain and his lackadaisical approach. Taking it easy.
Don't worry. Once the game starts.
We got this approach.
Once we step on that field......................

The switch does not get turned on at 1:00 P.M. on Sundays.

That was hard to type about a great Steeler.

On October 17th of 2004.
Almost 13 years to the day.
I watched the Steelers play a game vs. Dallas with my brother. He is a Cowboys fan.
Ben led the team back from down 20-10 going into the 4th , with two 4th quarter drives to win the game 24-20
He was amazing. 21 of 25 - 2 TDs.

I said to my brother.
"We have ourselves a QB"
He said. "Yes you do"

This week.
Monday thru Saturday, will tell us what the rest of the 2017 season will look like with #7 under center.

Stosh, this is difficult to read...
Spot on, clear, but definitely difficult...

Terry had his Chuck to knock some sense into him from time to time, bring the best out of him, and make so much more of his career than if he were left to his own devices.
But who does Ben have? :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: Ben. "Maybe I don't have it anymore"
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Bens mentor has passed away. The coach from Ohio Not sure who he leans on now.

It's not tomlin or Haley

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For fucks sake he was being sarcastic.

He was angry about how he played and when someone asked a follow up about it he answered with that.

That's it. End of story.

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For fucks sake he was being sarcastic.

He was angry about how he played and when someone asked a follow up about it he answered with that.

That's it. End of story.

43.

I believe he may have been sarcastic as well.
I believe there is a good chance this week will see the same vet day off Wednesday for #7.
Same week of practice intensity, same pre-game rituals........
and win the game once we get on the field.

What I hope for is a what we have seen in the past.
A head coach, a staff a team totally embarrassed by a .500 or sub .500 team once again and now has to step up to play better competition.
And they show up with a better effort, performance and result.

I am confident we will see a better effort and performance.

I know we will not have a better game plan than KC. Will not have better schemes and play calling.
I know we will not execute better than that team.
I am hoping we catch the better end of loose balls and Ben steps up as the leader of this team.

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