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 Post subject: Charlie Morton
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:41 pm 
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Having quite a nice season, and quite a nice post-season.

I wonder where Nate McLouth is now?


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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:21 pm 
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unreal..he sucked so bad ! :?


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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:05 pm 
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One of my biggest complaints with NH is his obsession with trying to develop young pitchers. Most pitchers have to go through a lot of ups/downs before they mature.

Much rather draft young hitters and trade for more developed pitchers or renovation projects.


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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:51 pm 
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0 WAR this year.

That means he was no better than the average pitcher.

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:17 pm 
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Man, are we going to rehash this again? Not sure why it is relevant that Charlie Morton had one nice season two years after the Pirates unloaded him. The fact is the Pirates paid Morton $20 million in his tenure with the team. He was decent in 2011 and gave them a good half of a season in 2013. The rest of the time he was replacement level pitcher for them. So let's ignore the fact the Pirates traded what was a very good centerfielder at the time. $20 million for the production the Pirates got from Morton is pretty much....meh. Wasn't terrible and wasn't great. The McClouth trade still looks like a C grade to me.

As for why the Pirates chase young pitchers, statistically age 26 is the most productive age for pitchers (at least starting pitchers). At that age 10.5% of Starting Pitchers post 2.0 WAR or better. By age 29 only 7.8% are getting to 2.0 WAR. At age 30 it drops to 6.9%. Only 4.4% of pitchers age 32 are reaching 2.0 WAR.

And finally, Morton was not replacement level this season. In fact, this was his career year.

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:59 am 
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SteelPro wrote:
Man, are we going to rehash this again? Not sure why it is relevant that Charlie Morton had one nice season two years after the Pirates unloaded him. The fact is the Pirates paid Morton $20 million in his tenure with the team. He was decent in 2011 and gave them a good half of a season in 2013. The rest of the time he was replacement level pitcher for them. So let's ignore the fact the Pirates traded what was a very good centerfielder at the time. $20 million for the production the Pirates got from Morton is pretty much....meh. Wasn't terrible and wasn't great. The McClouth trade still looks like a C grade to me.

As for why the Pirates chase young pitchers, statistically age 26 is the most productive age for pitchers (at least starting pitchers). At that age 10.5% of Starting Pitchers post 2.0 WAR or better. By age 29 only 7.8% are getting to 2.0 WAR. At age 30 it drops to 6.9%. Only 4.4% of pitchers age 32 are reaching 2.0 WAR.

And finally, Morton was not replacement level this season. In fact, this was his career year.


Interesting stats - what is your source?


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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:34 am 
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they also have frankie lariano... :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:02 am 
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Suwanee88 wrote:
SteelPro wrote:
Man, are we going to rehash this again? Not sure why it is relevant that Charlie Morton had one nice season two years after the Pirates unloaded him. The fact is the Pirates paid Morton $20 million in his tenure with the team. He was decent in 2011 and gave them a good half of a season in 2013. The rest of the time he was replacement level pitcher for them. So let's ignore the fact the Pirates traded what was a very good centerfielder at the time. $20 million for the production the Pirates got from Morton is pretty much....meh. Wasn't terrible and wasn't great. The McClouth trade still looks like a C grade to me.

As for why the Pirates chase young pitchers, statistically age 26 is the most productive age for pitchers (at least starting pitchers). At that age 10.5% of Starting Pitchers post 2.0 WAR or better. By age 29 only 7.8% are getting to 2.0 WAR. At age 30 it drops to 6.9%. Only 4.4% of pitchers age 32 are reaching 2.0 WAR.

And finally, Morton was not replacement level this season. In fact, this was his career year.


Interesting stats - what is your source?


https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015 ... story.html

"For starting pitchers, the golden years come earlier. The greatest number of starting pitchers worth 2.0 WAR or more congregates around 25 and 26, which represent more than 10 percent of the starters who have been that valuable since 1984. The performance of pitchers at age 24 and 27-29 has been close enough to that peak to suggest a view of a starting pitcher’s prime as running from the ages of 24-29."

I think a big mistake by the Pirates (and teams like them) is they aren't extracting enough value from young pitchers when they have them. They need to take the kid gloves off and use them. Why conserve innings and worry about the long term health of the arms of these guys when you know they aren't going to be with you years down the road? Grind them up when you have them. Don't leave anything in the tank for other teams.

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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:55 pm 
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you guys miss the damn point...we got david whitehead and saved a bunch of money.. financial flexability rocks!


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 Post subject: Re: Charlie Morton
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:34 pm 
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Career year for Morton is not saying much.

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