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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:18 pm 
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DeCastro was an absolute ass kicker in the first half. He was just destroying guys when he pulled.

Just wanted to give credit where it's due.


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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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I don't think his heart's in it anymore and that showed in his waffling about retirement and obviously, his lack of preparation.

Ben's writing checks his body can't cash. Not sure he's on fumes yet, but he might be getting close.


Man, he sure did earn a lot not to get himself in peak physical shape, though. But who knows. The guy is a fucking warrior. For all we know he is in a lot pain all the time.

I don't care how bad he gets. It won't erase Ben being one of the all time greats. They ought to hang a pair of bronze testicles where his bust would otherwise be in the hall of fame.


Ben's my all-time favorite Steeler QB and that's saying a lot. I saw the entirety of Terry Bradshaw's career and he's a God to me.

I worship Roethlisberger and we'll never see another guy like him in Pittsburgh.

That said, this is a different Ben. Been saying it all year, he'll have a few games that wow us this season, but that really special guy is nearly gone.

He's really laboring out there.


Spot on. I love the guy. Near HoF level career. Fuckin warrior. Held on for a great win today.

Unless he is able to flip a switch, he has been a net minus for the team. He is really limiting this offense, which Haley has already neutered, so far this year.


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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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VWill injured his hip in today's game as a result did not return. Looks like his return for next week is not certain. Also Gilbert did re-injure his hamstring. He did not pull himself out of the game as Stosh had wishfully suggested in the game thread. Too bad.

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The most notable injury was to right tackle Marcus Gilbert. Gilbert, who had missed the previous three games with a hamstring injury, re-injured the same hamstring, per Mike Tomlin in his post-game press conference, which is bad news for Gilbert. There is little-to-no chance Gilbert plays this Sunday vs. the Bengals, and could be out of the lineup until after the bye week to allow the hamstring to fully heal.

Inside linebacker Vince Williams injured his hip, and his availability moving forward is certainly in question, depending on the severity of the injury. Tyler Matakevich came into the game to replace Williams, and stayed in the game for the duration of the game https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2 ... t-williams


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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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If you think Ben has had only a near HOF career.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ben had a great first half. They attacked the middle of the field, and made a lot of hay. Only like what we all were talking about. In the second half, complete turtle ball.


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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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I agree to a point zeke. I just can't dismiss the redzone famine. Not like the redzone failure is anything new either.


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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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Zeke5123 wrote:
If you think Ben has had only a near HOF career.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ben had a great first half. They attacked the middle of the field, and made a lot of hay. Only like what we all were talking about. In the second half, complete turtle ball.


It's still in question man. He needs to go out on a high note to seal the deal.


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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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Zeke5123 wrote:
If you think Ben has had only a near HOF career.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ben had a great first half. They attacked the middle of the field, and made a lot of hay. Only like what we all were talking about. In the second half, complete turtle ball.


Bell had over 100 yards rushing at the half and we led 12-3 at the half. 2 of those points came off a KC fuck up safety.

Ben wasn't great in the first half.

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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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the red zone offense was putrid but the defense done well today


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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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Glad that KC lost. And really Steelers have their number!

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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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KC wrote:
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If you think Ben has had only a near HOF career.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ben had a great first half. They attacked the middle of the field, and made a lot of hay. Only like what we all were talking about. In the second half, complete turtle ball.


Bell had over 100 yards rushing at the half and we led 12-3 at the half. 2 of those points came off a KC fuck up safety.

Ben wasn't great in the first half.


Ben had 123 yards in the first half. He had one miss. One throw away in the EZ and one held Bell away from a TD. Had a 70%+ CMP; 8.2 YPA. If Brown runs through his route, he likely would've had closer to an 8.6 YPA.

That is a very good half on the road. If you don't think that was good half, well... I haven't a clue what a good half looks like. Was it an A+ 1st half? Nope, but B+/A-? Certainly. Likely an A-. Keep in mind Ben engineered a 97 yard drive.


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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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Zeke5123 wrote:
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If you think Ben has had only a near HOF career.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ben had a great first half. They attacked the middle of the field, and made a lot of hay. Only like what we all were talking about. In the second half, complete turtle ball.


Bell had over 100 yards rushing at the half and we led 12-3 at the half. 2 of those points came off a KC fuck up safety.

Ben wasn't great in the first half.


Ben had 123 yards in the first half. He had one miss. One throw away in the EZ and one held Bell away from a TD. Had a 70%+ CMP; 8.2 YPA. If Brown runs through his route, he likely would've had closer to an 8.6 YPA.

That is a very good half on the road. If you don't think that was good half, well... I haven't a clue what a good half looks like. Was it an A+ 1st half? Nope, but B+/A-? Certainly. Likely an A-. Keep in mind Ben engineered a 97 yard drive.


Exactly. That's a damn good half in Arrowhead. I still can't believe they missed Bell getting grabbed around the waist on that 3rd and goal. Cost us (and Ben) a TD. Was he perfect? No, but I saw more of those intermediate lasers that he is known for this game. That gives me hope Ben is starting to click more.


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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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Franco32 -- they let Ben attack the middle of the field and it worked. No more U offense. Attack the whole field.


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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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GreekSteel wrote:
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Is Antonio Brown a total moron?




comes from Tomlin and trickles down..stupid selfish undisciplined underpreparedteam..these are the adjectives that come to mind with a tomlin coached team

I know you said this in the heat of the moment, but that was one helluva prepared team today, They seriously outcoached the Chiefs today. Marvelous scouting and adjustments.

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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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So Ben missed wide open AB?


Did he or did he lock on to the mismatch with Bell on a LB and throw to him before Brown came open?

Not only that, but Bell beat his man and the throw was on target for a TD-- egregious non-call on the DPI. Not sure why we want to blame Ben for that, except that we blame Ben for everything.

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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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So Ben missed wide open AB?


Did he or did he lock on to the mismatch with Bell on a LB and throw to him before Brown came open?

Not only that, but Bell beat his man and the throw was on target for a TD-- egregious non-call on the DPI. Not sure why we want to blame Ben for that, except that we blame Ben for everything.


...was an awful non-call. With all the marginal stuff they call in this league, that one was obvious.....cost us 4 points.


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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Is Antonio Brown a total moron?




comes from Tomlin and trickles down..stupid selfish undisciplined underpreparedteam..these are the adjectives that come to mind with a tomlin coached team

I know you said this in the heat of the moment, but that was one helluva prepared team today, They seriously outcoached the Chiefs today. Marvelous scouting and adjustments.


All they have to do is start approaching every game this way so they don't have ridiculous clunkers against bottom feeders.

Also...stop turtling in the third quarter. Why this team can't attack for four quarters is beyond me.

When there's 20 minutes still left to go is NOT the time to try shortening the game.

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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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So Ben missed wide open AB?


Did he or did he lock on to the mismatch with Bell on a LB and throw to him before Brown came open?

Not only that, but Bell beat his man and the throw was on target for a TD-- egregious non-call on the DPI. Not sure why we want to blame Ben for that, except that we blame Ben for everything.


Not sure why we want to assume Ben is always being blamed. As I said in the game thread: ROMO claimed Ben missed a wide open AB. I didn't see it, so I asked whether Ben did.

And let's get things straight. Here at Steeler Fury:
1. Everything is either all Ben's fault and the coaches ar not to blame for anything OR
2. Nothing is ever Ben's fault, it's his shitty receivers (despite the claim that Ben makes his receivers, they don't make him) and coaches doing him in.

That it might be a mixture of 1 and 2 is impossible. One MUST choose. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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We got a HUGE win and that's GREAT....

But the elephant is still in the room.

The offense scored 17 points.

I would fire Haley now

Haley gamed planned the vertical middle of the field into the passing game in the first half. Haley game planned the vertical middle of the field out of the passing game in the 2nd half.

And let's not pretend Tomlin isn't part of this. With Haley's influence, I think Tomlin has gone to the dark side. Tomlin's nature is a conservative coach and Haley brings out the worst in him. Tomlin won a ring with a style points don't matter mantra. He was looking for a 1 point win.

If you want a great offense, style points matter. Great offenses often bury teams.

Haley game planned the vertical middle of the field out of the offense his first 2 years here and turned Ben into a pedestrian qb.

I agree with those who say at his age, Ben needs to be a workout warrior in the off season. He probably could be a little quicker on his feet and maybe a little quicker with his release if he employed the Brady off season workout regimen.


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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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treat88 wrote:
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If you think Ben has had only a near HOF career.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ben had a great first half. They attacked the middle of the field, and made a lot of hay. Only like what we all were talking about. In the second half, complete turtle ball.


It's still in question man. He needs to go out on a high note to seal the deal.


Ben is 9th in career passing yards and will, barring injury pass Warren Moon this year into 8th. Rivers is behind Ben by approx 1,000 yards and if Ben retires at years end, which I believe will happen and Rivers plays, which I believe will happen he will pass #7 for 8th. If being the 9th best all time passer in yards makes you a questionable HOFer than I have no idea what you have to do to get inducted. No brainer he is in. Ergo I guess what I am also saying is that Rivers will get in too??? :shock: :shock: :o :o :o

It is frustrating seeing his game be compromised by his own lack of commitment to his craft (conditioning and studying) a lack of discipline and work effort. When you consider Brady is 4 years older and Bree's 3 years older and they are still going strong, and will again next year it is maddening to consider the magnitude of what he could have accomplished had he been more committed. But I guess focus on the positives and enjoy this last run (hope I am wrong).


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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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Teams are taking away the deep ball from the Steelers which seems to chaff Big Ben. They are forcing the Steelers to have a perfect drive to score. The throws to the middle of the field helped a lot. Having McDonald go 6 games before his first catch was a bit crazy. Hopefully the Steelers start to use the whole field.

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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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I agree can't force the deep balls take what the d gives you and hope they break one.


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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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Why is it accepted as a fact that Ben doesn't work out in the offseason and that he doesn't study?

Whatever.

I think Ben and offense left some plays on the field, which is actually a good thing when you can still say you won and when you can still point to obvious signs of improvement in both approach and execution. Bet you Ben looks a whole lot less "rusty" and "average" if they get into the flow of the passing game and use of the middle of the field.

Yesterday was exhibit A of what's been missing from the Steelers offensive plan: better run blocking, better protection, better flow for the RB, use of the intermediate middle, spreading the ball around.

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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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Why is it accepted as a fact that Ben doesn't work out in the offseason and that he doesn't study?

Whatever.

I think Ben and offense left some plays on the field, which is actually a good thing when you can still say you won and when you can still point to obvious signs of improvement in both approach and execution. Bet you Ben looks a whole lot less "rusty" and "average" if they get into the flow of the passing game and use of the middle of the field.

Yesterday was exhibit A of what's been missing from the Steelers offensive plan: better run blocking, better protection, better flow for the RB, use of the intermediate middle, spreading the ball around.


Brady is 40, Bree's is 38 and Ben 35. Based at looking at their physical appearance, body composition, and movement of the three which one is least conditioned?? I will answer it for you the youngest guy (youngest by a long shot). The other two prove that if you eat right and train hard you can extend your career at least in Brady's case by 5 years. Even if you postulate that Ben has a different body composition, taller, thicker etc, which I will agree has some validity, the gap would not be so wide and when you factor he is a lot younger that makes it harder to swallow. I think Ben is actually now starting to get in shape hence his performance is improving.

Look I am past getting upset about it like I did 2 and 3 years ago. It is what it is but dont tell me Ben works out hard, or shows restraint at the buffet table, in the off season, his body and ability to move say no. If he did he could have at least 2 more really productive years after this one.


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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
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Is Antonio Brown a total moron?




comes from Tomlin and trickles down..stupid selfish undisciplined underpreparedteam..these are the adjectives that come to mind with a tomlin coached team

I know you said this in the heat of the moment, but that was one helluva prepared team today, They seriously outcoached the Chiefs today. Marvelous scouting and adjustments.




yes it was in the heat of the moment but even in Tomlins very good days which yesterdays game was there still is a lack of attention to details, undisciplined play questionable gut inspired decisions etc..these are hallmarks of Tomlins teams


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 Post subject: Re: Ref. Season # 6: Steelers @ Chiefs Game Comments
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Why is it accepted as a fact that Ben doesn't work out in the offseason and that he doesn't study?


Because it's obvious he doesn't?

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