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 Post subject: Haden & Hilton
PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:47 pm 
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H2 no O. Ok cheesy but these 2 no one thought about coming into training camp and wow have they made a big difference. Haden looks more like his old self by the week and Hilton just keeps making plays.


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like davis too!!


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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
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No argument here. Hilton definitely plays much bigger than his god given stature. Haden has really added another dynamic to the secondary. Glad he wanted to be a Steeler.


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Haden seems to be a key why our pass defense is number one. That pass defense where he bumped that guy out of bounds would be a completion with Cockrell in there.


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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
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Well, how about Haden's interception? Holy cow.


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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
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Haden the last 2-3 weeks especially has been great for us. Really looks like his old self. Even on the tipped Davis breakup picked by Gay, he had perfect trailing coverage. Hilton has been such a great find. When you look at the job the scouting department and coaching staff has done in identifying guys like Villy and Hilton the last couple of years and developing them, it has been a huge benefit.

It is a fun defense to watch. Young, fast, fearless.

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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
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I doubted the Haden signing based on his play the last 2 years. I was Wrong. Haden has been Solid. Keep it going Joe.

Burns has made some mistakes but that's to be expected, in a 2nd year player who came in Raw. Burns is going to be Fine. He is still a young guy with a lot of Ceiling.


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H2 no O. Ok cheesy but ....


Respectable effort....still one you should have kept to yourself.

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Kodiak wrote:
steelclan wrote:
H2 no O. Ok cheesy but ....


Respectable effort....still one you should have kept to yourself.


Aye. Ah well someone has to fill out the moron demographic and I do it so well.


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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
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TB wrote:
It is a fun defense to watch. Young, fast, fearless.


Two keys:
1) Staying healthy, especially DL
2) Davis has to get better and I think Wilcox needs to take Mitchell's job

The two safeties are literally the only thing I don't love about the defense.

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Kodiak wrote:
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It is a fun defense to watch. Young, fast, fearless.


Two keys:
1) Staying healthy, especially DL
2) Davis has to get better and I think Wilcox needs to take Mitchell's job

The two safeties are literally the only thing I don't love about the defense.


Davis past 2 weeks have been excellent & not sure what fuss is over Mitchell this week? That first Bengal TD was just a great play. 9 times out of 10 I bet that is incomplete: Dalton threaded it through a pinhole and #11 caught it on his bicep.


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TB wrote:
It is a fun defense to watch. Young, fast, fearless.


And getting better.

Hilton has excellent read/react ability.

Haden has been a great addition on the field and in the locker room.


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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:04 pm 
31 is the perfect number for Hilton. :twisted: 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
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And getting better.

Hilton has excellent read/react ability.

Haden has been a great addition on the field and in the locker room.


Honestly, this reminds me of some NE championship defenses.

Maybe 2 or 3 bonafide stars, and a lot of above average guys and EVERYONE is a playmaker....and good coaching.

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Haden has been running under the radar. Hilton has as well.

Both have made a difference.

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Haden has been running under the radar. Hilton has as well.

Both have made a difference.

Remember Sutton started coming along before the injury. Imagine Sutton thrown into the mix as well. :D


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Hilton is a scrapper. Was listening to him on the Jim Rome show. He was about to start working at foot locker just before the Steelers called


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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
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steelclan wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
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It is a fun defense to watch. Young, fast, fearless.


Two keys:
1) Staying healthy, especially DL
2) Davis has to get better and I think Wilcox needs to take Mitchell's job

The two safeties are literally the only thing I don't love about the defense.


Davis past 2 weeks have been excellent & not sure what fuss is over Mitchell this week? That first Bengal TD was just a great play. 9 times out of 10 I bet that is incomplete: Dalton threaded it through a pinhole and #11 caught it on his bicep.


Agreed. It was a perfect throw in tight coverage.

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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
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Agreed. It was a perfect throw in tight coverage.


Dalton was almost flawless in the first half. Still only 105 yds passing (too small a sample size to get hung-up on the 2 TD's....both great calls and play design, regardless).

Defense may be for real. But I would like to see the pace pick-up on offense - we really only had 4 possessions in the first half. You won't bury anyone with just 8 offensive possessions a game.

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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
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Kodiak wrote:
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Agreed. It was a perfect throw in tight coverage.


Dalton was almost flawless in the first half. Still only 105 yds passing (too small a sample size to get hung-up on the 2 TD's....both great calls and play design, regardless).

Defense may be for real. But I would like to see the pace pick-up on offense - we really only had 4 possessions in the first half. You won't bury anyone with just 8 offensive possessions a game.


That's partly our own fault by controlling TOP. We held them to a 20 something second drive to start the 2nd half & scored ending the 1st.

That's crucial situational football.

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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
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Also, Clan kudos for giving props to Haden. I know you weren't a fan of the signing.

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I was at the game today - 500 level at midfield - and I was specifically watching Hayden.

He is VERY savvy!!! He understands that he isn't as fast as he used to be and accounts for it every play. 3rd and 8.... he gives a 6 yard cushion and knows exactly where the sticks are. It was fun watching him make subtle adjustments all game to limit opportunities on his side of the field

Best part of the day was when I commented to my wife how solid he was playing and said "watch him this play"....BINGO... interception!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
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Also, Clan kudos for giving props to Haden. I know you weren't a fan of the signing.


No I wasn't and thankfully have been proven badly wrong. I hope it continues to be the case.


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Steelafan77 wrote:
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Haden has been running under the radar. Hilton has as well.

Both have made a difference.

Remember Sutton started coming along before the injury. Imagine Sutton thrown into the mix as well. :D

Not sure if Sutton makes it back, but if he does who's spot does he take? If no real injuries by then, my guess is Sensabaugh's. Would love to see him take a shot at return duties still.


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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
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steelclan wrote:
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Also, Clan kudos for giving props to Haden. I know you weren't a fan of the signing.


No I wasn't and thankfully have been proven badly wrong. I hope it continues to be the case.


yes, the normal thing on this board would be to carry an agenda and bash the guy every chance to try to make your prediction look correct.

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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
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Also, Clan kudos for giving props to Haden. I know you weren't a fan of the signing.


No I wasn't and thankfully have been proven badly wrong. I hope it continues to be the case.


yes, the normal thing on this board would be to carry an agenda and bash the guy every chance to try to make your prediction look correct.


Lots of players are overcoming board noted deficiencies....wrist circumference, frame size, health issues.

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I will throw this out there, yes it sounds crazy but, Burns has taken over the role of Ross Cockrell for me.

I have more confidence in Haden to do a good/great job, but have less confidence in Burns, at times he is out there and plays soft and reminds me of Cockrell.

It was really eyeopening to me watching the Bengals William Jackson the 3rd at CB. Never really got a chance to zero in on him and watch him play. Wow. If it really is true that the Steelers preferred him over Burns I can see why now. His technique, his confidence, his ball skills, playing the catch point of the WR, knocking the ball, twice out of Antonio Browns hands, that was damn impressive. I don't really see that at all with Burns. I am hoping that Burns really is just raw and developing, but the difference between the two is very striking.

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Burns is a good bit less grabby than Jackson, or Dennard, for that matter.


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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:46 pm 
I think Burns will be a place holder for Allen or Sutton


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But you know something Ice, it sure looks like the NFL this season is allowing defensive backs to play more physical and hands on. I don't even know what grabby means anymore, at least for this season.

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It's evident in real time Burns is a baller.

Let's shut that talk down right now.

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I think Burns will be a place holder for Allen or Sutton


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 Post subject: Re: Haden & Hilton
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But you know something Ice, it sure looks like the NFL this season is allowing defensive backs to play more physical and hands on. I don't even know what grabby means anymore, at least for this season.

Not in the games I'm watching. Defenders are barely doing anything, yet drawing flags.

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But you know something Ice, it sure looks like the NFL this season is allowing defensive backs to play more physical and hands on. I don't even know what grabby means anymore, at least for this season.

Not in the games I'm watching. Defenders are barely doing anything, yet drawing flags.


The officiating so far this year is NHL quality bad. I don't know what a catch is anymore, and I'm starting to think I don't know what PI looks like, either. I had the distinct impression at a couple of points in the Bungles game that they were "reffing the score."


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I have seen many instances this year of our guys, Hilton, Davis, Haden, Shazier all playing tighter coverage and making plays on the ball and it is funny how the contact that was drawing penalties in previous years has not been called this year in comparison. You know what I am talking about, defender comes up rests left hand on receiver and with his right hand stretches out to disrupt the catch.

In year's past when our guys did plays like this it would routinely be flagged. I have seen games this year where the refs seem to be allowing more physical contact as with Gronk at times. When teams play against our WRs, they usually get away with quite a bit of contact down the field.

I still hate the cushions and the tackle the catch bullshit that we still do, but I have been impressed with some of the improvements in man and playing the catch point, making plays on the ball.

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I think Burns will be a place holder for Allen or Sutton


Are you drunk or high?

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If Burns doesn't start participating in the run defense, it could very well be true that he gets challenged, just like Cockrell did. Burns is a hell of a lot better than Cockrell, but Burns avoiding contact is a problem.

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If Burns doesn't start participating in the run defense, it could very well be true that he gets challenged, just like Cockrell did. Burns is a hell of a lot better than Cockrell, but Burns avoiding contact is a problem.


Forget which play but Burns literally turned his back to the rb on sunday. Shocking. Maybe hes injured ?


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Haden and Hilton show that you can’t cover up your secondary with scheme and hope to be effective. The lebeau system went and got guys from late rounds, taught them the system, keep the play in front, tackle the catch, hold out long enough for the pass rush to get home.

Ultimately that scheme led to 31st ranked pass D.

Now Haden and Hilton are players who can tighten those throwing windows. We can sit and debate is the pass rush better because of the front or the coverage. Truth is they work together. If the D backfield can buy 2 seconds with coverage or take away the primary and secondary options that’s a big win up front.


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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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But you know something Ice, it sure looks like the NFL this season is allowing defensive backs to play more physical and hands on. I don't even know what grabby means anymore, at least for this season.

Not in the games I'm watching. Defenders are barely doing anything, yet drawing flags.


Well that was not the case Sunday in Bengals game. Bengals DBs especially Jackson got away with a ton well beyond 5 yards and deep into routes.


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Haden and Hilton show that you can’t cover up your secondary with scheme and hope to be effective. The lebeau system went and got guys from late rounds, taught them the system, keep the play in front, tackle the catch, hold out long enough for the pass rush to get home.

Ultimately that scheme led to 31st ranked pass D.

Now Haden and Hilton are players who can tighten those throwing windows. We can sit and debate is the pass rush better because of the front or the coverage. Truth is they work together. If the D backfield can buy 2 seconds with coverage or take away the primary and secondary options that’s a big win up front.


Hilton was an UDFA and Haden was a gift from Browns.


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steelclan wrote:
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Haden and Hilton show that you can’t cover up your secondary with scheme and hope to be effective. The lebeau system went and got guys from late rounds, taught them the system, keep the play in front, tackle the catch, hold out long enough for the pass rush to get home.

Ultimately that scheme led to 31st ranked pass D.

Now Haden and Hilton are players who can tighten those throwing windows. We can sit and debate is the pass rush better because of the front or the coverage. Truth is they work together. If the D backfield can buy 2 seconds with coverage or take away the primary and secondary options that’s a big win up front.


Hilton was an UDFA and Haden was a gift from Browns.
Haden was acquired before Coates was traded, yes? I wonder if it was a gift or simply a swap for what each team needed.

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it's still yggy wrote:
Haden and Hilton show that you can’t cover up your secondary with scheme and hope to be effective. The lebeau system went and got guys from late rounds, taught them the system, keep the play in front, tackle the catch, hold out long enough for the pass rush to get home.

Ultimately that scheme led to 31st ranked pass D.

Now Haden and Hilton are players who can tighten those throwing windows. We can sit and debate is the pass rush better because of the front or the coverage. Truth is they work together. If the D backfield can buy 2 seconds with coverage or take away the primary and secondary options that’s a big win up front.


Hilton was an UDFA and Haden was a gift from Browns.
Haden was acquired before Coates was traded, yes? I wonder if it was a gift or simply a swap for what each team needed.


Haden was released without the browns HC being told beforehand. Talk about bad management. No wonder Cleveland is back in the crapper once again.

Hilton was a find, might prove to be biggest find since Ike.

But yeah steelers got lucky that both guys are here now.


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Haden was released without the browns HC being told beforehand. Talk about bad management. No wonder Cleveland is back in the crapper once again.
"Back in the crapper" implies they were out of it at some point.

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Haden was released without the browns HC being told beforehand. Talk about bad management. No wonder Cleveland is back in the crapper once again.
"Back in the crapper" implies they were out of it at some point.


Considering all the hoopla for the coach and the optimism for the owner and management team, man, their record is actually worse than usual during this regime's tenure. Turns out that light was the oncoming train, after all.


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Haden was released without the browns HC being told beforehand. Talk about bad management. No wonder Cleveland is back in the crapper once again.
"Back in the crapper" implies they were out of it at some point.


Considering all the hoopla for the coach and the optimism for the owner and management team, man, their record is actually worse than usual during this regime's tenure. Turns out that light was the oncoming train, after all.

Yep. Same coach, owner, and management team that passed on Carson Wentz... :lol:

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Yep. Same coach, owner, and management team that passed on Carson Wentz... :lol:

....and Deshaun Watson.

And that's after the prior regime chose Johnny Manziel over Teddy Bridgewater and David Carr.

And that's after the prior regime traded up to draft Trent Richardson

And that's after they passed on Julio Jones to take Phil Taylor and an extra first round draft pick.....which became Brandon Weeden.


My God, the Browns suck.

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Yep. Same coach, owner, and management team that passed on Carson Wentz... :lol:

....and Deshaun Watson.

And that's after the prior regime chose Johnny Manziel over Teddy Bridgewater and David Carr.

And that's after the prior regime traded up to draft Trent Richardson

And that's after they passed on Julio Jones to take Phil Taylor and an extra first round draft pick.....which became Brandon Weeden.


My God, the Browns suck.


Jesus, when you lay it out like that

What a complete cluster fuck of a franchise

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