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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:17 am 
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AB wasn't a precise route runner coming into the league either. Look how good he is now. JuJu will get there. He'll never be much of a deep threat though, which is fine because that's just not what he is.


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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There was some inconsistent reports on him during the build up to the draft. Some thought he was too slow or not much of a route runner, then there were others that thought he would possibly be a late first round pick.

When I looked at his game, I leaned more to him being a late first round pick. Everything was there on tape, there was no projection, no squinting of the eyes to see how he would turn out as a player. I loved him as a prospect but thought we had no chance in hell of getting him, thought he would be gone by our late 2nd round pick, that we would have to settle for someone like Chris Godwin.

I will say it again, JuJu can get deep, he can attack the intermediate areas, he can line up as a quasi-TE, be a slot WR, outside WR, the sky is the limit.

He is so young, and his body will get stronger and more developed. He is 215 and runs a 4.54. I wish the Bolden comparisons would stop, Anquan ran a 4.72 40.

In many ways JuJu reminds me of another WR from a couple years ago, one of Bryants teammates at Clemson, DeAndre Hopkins. Here is a WR that just like JuJu, was told he was not big enough, 6'1" 215 to be a true #1 WR, or fast enough, 4.57, to be a deep threat, but just like JuJu he was a physical blocker, and just has 'it". Sometimes people can get so enamored with size, speed, the combine numbers and not see the forest for the trees, not able to see the football player before them.

In terms of what JuJu is doing this year, here are the only numbers that I care about:

36 targets 24 catches, that 66.7 catch percentage is the best among Steeler WRs, better than Browns 60.6%. 24 catches for 424 yards, a 17.7 yard average and 4 TDs. JuJu has 19 first downs on those 24 catches, that 79.2 first down percentage is not just the best on the team, but one of the best in the NFL. He has 5 catches over 20+ yards and 2 over 40+ yards.

I said when we drafted him that he could very well have 60 catches and 7-8 TDs as a rookie. With the way things are now, he may very well have a shot at going over 1,000 yards. Bryant and Rogers are in a funk, and maybe the answer is to fully commit to JuJu as the clear #2 WR leaving Rogers and Bryant to share the #3 role.

And when you think about it, that #3 role can be a lot of things, and be different in a number of ways. Is Bryant's struggles because his best production came when he was not the #2? You look over the years, the deep ball production to Wallace as a rookie, to Bryant, to Coates, did that happen with them being the #2 WR? Or was it because they were able to narrow down their focus and routes, to simplify things to make it happen?

Having JuJu opposite Brown and then being able to line up Bryant inside or wherever, that might be the ticket to get him jump started in a Mike Wallace rookie role when our starters at wideout were Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes.

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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AB wasn't a precise route runner coming into the league either. Look how good he is now. JuJu will get there. He'll never be much of a deep threat though, which is fine because that's just not what he is.


I believe JuJu is like Jerry Rice in the speed factor. Rice wasn't a deep threat but rarely got caught from behind. I saw that in spades on JuJu's long TD and to think he can only get better w/ his route running and separation.


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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The key to Juju's success is the way they're using him. He runs a ton in the slot and he gets routes in the middle of the field. They use him in an entirely different way than they do Bryant. Have to get them both on the field and both doing more kinds of routes. It's actually true of the other receivers, too.

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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I like jujus sense of humor.

Any rate yeah they need both him and Martavis on the field. This lions game to me had sort of a playoff feel. IOW we could see a team like that in the playoffs. Lions do not look bad either. I can see them going a ways in the NFC.

Relying on 3-4 goal line/ red zone stops is not a formula for success. It’s fun to watch but replay that game I’m pretty convinced lions get at least one of those tds. What did they have almost 500 yards passing?

Reason I say this is not to criticize the D but the O. Feeding bell half the offensive snaps is going to bite them. They need to get MB back and McDonald and use them.

Also I’ll add OT issues are a big factor this season. Gilbert needs to return. Villy needs to play better.


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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it's still yggy wrote:
I like jujus sense of humor.

Any rate yeah they need both him and Martavis on the field. This lions game to me had sort of a playoff feel. IOW we could see a team like that in the playoffs. Lions do not look bad either. I can see them going a ways in the NFC.

Relying on 3-4 goal line/ red zone stops is not a formula for success. It’s fun to watch but replay that game I’m pretty convinced lions get at least one of those tds. What did they have almost 500 yards passing?

Reason I say this is not to criticize the D but the O. Feeding bell half the offensive snaps is going to bite them. They need to get MB back and McDonald and use them.

Also I’ll add OT issues are a big factor this season. Gilbert needs to return. Villy needs to play better.


We need the offense clicking like it was first half vs Bengals. I am satisfied with the looks the coaches gave us in the passing game yesterday.

We should probably thank the Lions for running into a brick wall on a few crucial near the goal line plays.

I agree, we need to get back to having McDonald involved ASAP.

We need to get something from a WR to go along with AB and JuJu.


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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SP wrote:
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“Juju Smith-Schuster Draft Scouting Report: Will struggle to separate from NFL CBs, not a deep threat, not a precise route runner”

I like JuJu a lot, but that scouting report isn't entirely wrong.




I tend to agree on your take here SP, still a pretty funny tweet by JuJu. He seems like hes a genuinely good dude...the tweet pic of him and Bryant was also a savvy vet type move to smooth things over cuz stuff like what Bryant has been doing on twitter could just easily have gone south and can derail a season


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
The key to Juju's success is the way they're using him. He runs a ton in the slot and he gets routes in the middle of the field. They use him in an entirely different way than they do Bryant. Have to get them both on the field and both doing more kinds of routes. It's actually true of the other receivers, too.


Steelers ran at least 4 plays for JuJu that they previously ran for Bryant. The first pass play was run for Bryant twice, once vs the Jag and Bears zero catches. First down In route with the DB on his back is a Bryant staple that frequently gets stripped out, The dig route on 3rd down, and the one he dropped are all Bryant specific plays. Because if he (Bryant) catches any one of those first two passes he might score and on the dig or the drop its at least 20 yards.

IMO I hope Bryant looks at the film and says "damn he got the same plays as me and he put up 193, I could have put up 250 or 300 if I just get my head around and catch the ball". I agree with Tomlin there is a certain amount of competitor and dysfunction that makes a great WR- and it is ok to express dissatisfaction to those who can solve the problem- not some internet troll baiter. But when one puts on the film and a guy that's slower and younger than you is using your routes to get almost 2 hunnit- That's the wake-up call

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:33 am 
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Juju made a beautiful film last night.

Juju vs Lions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXmf_iJZgHQ

It's an NFL video so it doesn't embed. Some of the YouTube comments are funny.


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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Stallworth16 wrote:
Juju made a beautiful film last night.

Juju vs Lions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXmf_iJZgHQ

It's an NFL video so it doesn't embed. Some of the YouTube comments are funny.


Thanks for posting those highlights, Stalls

Great stuff.

JuJu could become a monster for us. He moves pretty well for a guy his size.


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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The key to Juju's success is the way they're using him. He runs a ton in the slot and he gets routes in the middle of the field. They use him in an entirely different way than they do Bryant. Have to get them both on the field and both doing more kinds of routes. It's actually true of the other receivers, too.


Steelers ran at least 4 plays for JuJu that they previously ran for Bryant. The first pass play was run for Bryant twice, once vs the Jag and Bears zero catches. First down In route with the DB on his back is a Bryant staple that frequently gets stripped out, The dig route on 3rd down, and the one he dropped are all Bryant specific plays. Because if he (Bryant) catches any one of those first two passes he might score and on the dig or the drop its at least 20 yards.

IMO I hope Bryant looks at the film and says "damn he got the same plays as me and he put up 193, I could have put up 250 or 300 if I just get my head around and catch the ball". I agree with Tomlin there is a certain amount of competitor and dysfunction that makes a great WR- and it is ok to express dissatisfaction to those who can solve the problem- not some internet troll baiter. But when one puts on the film and a guy that's slower and younger than you is using your routes to get almost 2 hunnit- That's the wake-up call

Bryant got one dig this year, one. And I'm not sure he's ever gotten that hole shot fake screen target-- in a way wouldn't work as well for him b/c the opponent is scared shutless of his speed.

He damn sure never got deep seam from the slot. Maybe in his rookie season.

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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The key to Juju's success is the way they're using him. He runs a ton in the slot and he gets routes in the middle of the field. They use him in an entirely different way than they do Bryant. Have to get them both on the field and both doing more kinds of routes. It's actually true of the other receivers, too.


Steelers ran at least 4 plays for JuJu that they previously ran for Bryant. The first pass play was run for Bryant twice, once vs the Jag and Bears zero catches. First down In route with the DB on his back is a Bryant staple that frequently gets stripped out, The dig route on 3rd down, and the one he dropped are all Bryant specific plays. Because if he (Bryant) catches any one of those first two passes he might score and on the dig or the drop its at least 20 yards.

IMO I hope Bryant looks at the film and says "damn he got the same plays as me and he put up 193, I could have put up 250 or 300 if I just get my head around and catch the ball". I agree with Tomlin there is a certain amount of competitor and dysfunction that makes a great WR- and it is ok to express dissatisfaction to those who can solve the problem- not some internet troll baiter. But when one puts on the film and a guy that's slower and younger than you is using your routes to get almost 2 hunnit- That's the wake-up call

Bryant got one dig this year, one. And I'm not sure he's ever gotten that hole shot fake screen target-- in a way wouldn't work as well for him b/c the opponent is scared shutless of his speed.

He damn sure never got deep seam from the slot. Maybe in his rookie season.


No he never got the deep seam because he doesnt know how to set it up. But check the tape on the Jags game and the Bears game- they've run that fake screen for him to start the game.

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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I will do that. Question for you to ponder: how does one set up the deep seam from the slot if one never lines up in the slot?

I'm going to hold on to jsage is different, since Bryant being tasked to do anything besides a vertical route on the outside, a drag, or a screen is so rare-- vs it being common for Juju.

Could Bryant have made more of his opportunities? Absolutely. However, the way he is used makes Bryant's job so much more difficult. The defender has so much less to worry about.

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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I thought Schuster might get caught from behind. He isn't very fast but fast enough to out run 3 DB's for that Huge, huge score. Most exciting play of the night.


I'd say most exciting play of the season. Any other contenders? I can't think of any.


AB against the Chefs

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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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I thought Schuster might get caught from behind. He isn't very fast but fast enough to out run 3 DB's for that Huge, huge score. Most exciting play of the night.


I'd say most exciting play of the season. Any other contenders? I can't think of any.


AB against the Chefs


Very similar, too, in that if the WR doesn't execute the miracle play, the team likely gets caught from behind on the scoreboard, and would likely have had difficulty pulling out the win. Also similar in that both teams were let back into the game with a turtle-inspired offense that let the opponent back in.


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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I'm going with JuJu's team record setting 97 yd TD reception.

Partly because we are used to the spectacular from AB. JuJu is the new kid on the block.

Partly because it was a laser thrown by Ben.

Both special plays in significant moments but nothing like covering 97 yds in 1 play.


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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Please Ju Ju, don't fuck this up with drugs, women, politics, or violence. Keep your nose clean and all will work itself out. Multi millionaire, HOF, pro bowls, and if you're lucky, a SB ring. Remain humble, keep getting better, and don't fuck with the hand that feeds you.

The world is your oyster as long as you keep your head screwed on right and continue to produce on the field.

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Knock on wood, but I think that's the one thing we don't have to worry about with this kid. He appears to have his head screwed on tight.

He has to get a little faster, run his routes a little better, and keep learning the game. It won't be easy but my money's on the kid.

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Steelers' JuJu Smith-Schuster among Players of Week

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000870664/article/steelers-juju-smithschuster-among-players-of-week

JuJu Smith-Schuster was named the AFC Offensive Player of the Week.

http://www.steelers.com/news/article-4/A-big-honor-for-JuJu/5e7f55f1-6dcd-4bd4-961b-8d9424cb320a


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 Post subject: Re: The Torch was passed to JuJu tonight
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Thought Nuke Hopkins would get that award.


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