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 Post subject: Mitchell has injured achilles
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:08 pm 
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Doesn't look like he's playing in the Colts game. Hello Golden.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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I hope it's Wilcox. Or is Davis injured too? Yikes...

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:46 pm 
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Why haven't we seen more of Wilcox? Is that a product of Golden playing better?

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Or possibly JJ Wilcox. He was a late addition right before the season started and so kind of behind in terms of knowing the defense, but now that he has been with the team for half a season, I am hoping that he is used more.

I think Wilcox, yes, he may take some bad angles in pursuing the run but the man is a controlled hitter, who can force turnovers, force fumbles and also make an INT with his hands, he already has one INT this year in limited playing time.

Until Mitchell's injury in Detroit, the Steelers really weren't using either Golden or Wilcox much. Golden had only 10 snaps on defense before the Detroit game, and Wilcox has only had 9 snaps in the last 4 games. Meanwhile Gay continues to see quite a bit of playing time. Seems like they would rather have Gay on the field rather than that third safety.

I am intrigued by Wilcox, the playmaking ability, the athleticism. He started out as a slot WR back in college and then was moved to defense. He was even used as a kick returner some, (hint hint special teams coach Danny Smith), averaged over 25 yards a return with 1 TD. For being 215 pounds, he has really good lateral quickness and agility, while he is not this great man to man coverage safety, he probably is better in this regard than Golden or Mitchell.

It looks like Davis is finally starting to round into shape as the season has progressed, making more plays on the ball, in coverage, etc. Mitchell to me is a weakness and him missing a couple games might be good to see what Wilcox can do. This might be a nice audition for Wilcox to not just get playing time moving forward when Mitchell returns, but maybe for 2018 in regards to being a starter? Mitchell will be entering his last year of his contract and the Steelers can cut ties with him and save almost $6 million. With his injuries seeming to mount with increased regularity, it might be time to move on from him after the season.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:19 pm 
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Injured achilles? He'll never golf again.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Great post Scrunge. You should be writing for a living.

At times Wilcox has struggled in pass protection with the Cowboys and Bucs but he is a hitter. He has also had some injuries. It would be great if he could jell at FS. Mitchell is an overpaid pretender at this stage of his career.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Kodiak wrote:
Injured achilles? He'll never golf again.


I think that's for hamstrings. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Rocky Mtn Stiller wrote:
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Injured achilles? He'll never golf again.


I think that's for hamstrings. :lol:


LMAO....always these years I've thought he said "slice the achilles"

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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I'm confused. Are we supposed to be upset about this?

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Next Man Up.....


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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i think we should be fine with either backup


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Good news


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Lynch wrote:
Good news

Have you seen Robert Golden play defense?

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Well, in defense of Golden, he did play rather well two years ago when he was filling in for Will Allen. I like him as a core special teams player, a captain, and as a backup safety. To me he is like a good backup QB, he can come in and play well when the need arises for a game or two, but you don't want him to be a long term or full time starter.

Also, I don't think he (Mitchell) ruptured the Achilles, just strained it, I don't think he is out for the season as much as some fans would wish it to be so. I admit he is a weakness in the secondary but putting Golden and/or Wilcox may not improve the situation, we will have to see.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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I don't know if Mitchell will return even at the level he left. Even just a strained achilles is challenging to get back from. Remember Mitchell has lost a good deal of his speed on the back end already. I think Wilcox may be interchangeable with Will Gay the rest of the way. I do not believe Golden is the answer even temporarily. Mitchell was infuriating but Golden is worse IMO. FWIW, love to see if Sutton gets any play time going forward.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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We had 71 defensive snaps vs Detroit.

Davis - 70
Burns - 70
Haden - 69
Hilton - 43
Mitchell - 38

Golden - 33
Gay - 20
Wilcox - 1

We will most likely see Golden.
I too would like to see more of Wilcox and hope he will be an upgrade over Mitchell for 2018, until a 1st or 2nd round S moves in.
A bad Mitchell injury in no way good for the Steelers as much as I also agree he is a weak link. It just puts new pieces into a defense that has played well and puts our #3 and #4 options on the field, even if we think they MAY be better.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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We had 71 defensive snaps vs Detroit. Here is the rest of the snaps on defense for LB and defensive line for that game

Shaz - 71
Dupree - 67
Watt - 63
Heyward - 59
Williams - 54
Aluala - 53
Hargreave - 39
Walton - 18
Chick - 8
Moats - 5
Dirty Red and Fort - 1
Harrison - 0

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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I hope Shazpussy/Tubmonster works out

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Looks like we will be looking for a FS for sure now in the draft.
Problem is that this draft sucks at FS.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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I would like to see more of Wilcox.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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I understood Mitchell is the QB of the secondary. Anybody know if it will have an effect? He does have experience over everybody else with the exception of Gay and Golden. And Haden.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Rocky Mtn Stiller wrote:
Kodiak wrote:
Injured achilles? He'll never golf again.


I think that's for hamstrings. :lol:


He'll push everything to the right. Well done fellas!

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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Good news

Have you seen Robert Golden play defense?


This x1000


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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COR-TEN wrote:
I understood Mitchell is the QB of the secondary. Anybody know if it will have an effect? He does have experience over everybody else with the exception of Gay and Golden. And Haden.


If Mitchell is the QB of the secondary, it certainly explains some things. Mostly from the last few seasons.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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Ice wrote:
COR-TEN wrote:
I understood Mitchell is the QB of the secondary. Anybody know if it will have an effect? He does have experience over everybody else with the exception of Gay and Golden. And Haden.


If Mitchell is the QB of the secondary, it certainly explains some things. Mostly from the last few seasons.


Sounds more like an indictment instead of an explanation. With all the "miscommunications" in the secondary, it seems that Mitchell is to "secondary qb" what the Browns are to winning.


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