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 Post subject: Re: More "Man" coverage coming?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:16 am 
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Well, the next 5 games are against the #23, 27, 21, 28, and 31st ranked passing offenses in the NFL. If they're going to test out new wrinkles in pass coverage, now would be an ideal time.


I hope this is the year that butter sharpens iron....because I don't see PIT being less conservative, stale or vanilla with the remaining schedule (*excepting possibly NE). I hope they can flip the switch when they need to, but I'm skeptical.

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 Post subject: Re: More "Man" coverage coming?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:25 am 
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I don't get the whole, we're doing man coverage in practice thing, so we'll be fine.

I don't believe for a second that the secondary is going to be able to just flip a switch and go man against the Pats if they have not had sufficient in-game experience doing it.


I believe on both offense and defense this staffs mentality is to show as little as possible to the opponents and try and win games by doing so, not put too much on tape for other teams, and other teams they may see in the playoffs. A very vanilla offense. And a defense that still incorporates some pretty big cushions. ( I have watched Burns start off with a 7-10 yard cushion way too much this year )

And I agree, they think, they can just flip the switch.
Not doing it enough in games, not running man to man enough during the regular season, against inferior opponents and mediocre QB's is preparing no body for when we need to run it against Brady and other top QB's.

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 Post subject: Re: More "Man" coverage coming?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:28 am 
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Still Lit wrote:
I don't get the whole, we're doing man coverage in practice thing, so we'll be fine.

I don't believe for a second that the secondary is going to be able to just flip a switch and go man against the Pats if they have not had sufficient in-game experience doing it.


This was the whole excuse for not implementing it last year, is that they hadn't used it all season. You'd have to think they'd test it out at some point before the playoffs. But, "we do what we do"... :roll:

Don't want to put too much on tape... :roll:

Just read you post after I posted above.

Exactly. Too afraid to put too much on tape.
Almost a high school level mentality.
My sons H.S. football teams were very good. Ran at will. Passed sparingly and safe.
When they came across a team that sold out to stop the run, we could not get the passing game going until it was too late. That was in Giant Stadium for the State Championship and it still hurts more than any Steeler loss.

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 Post subject: Re: More "Man" coverage coming?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:32 am 
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Well, the next 5 games are against the #23, 27, 21, 28, and 31st ranked passing offenses in the NFL. If they're going to test out new wrinkles in pass coverage, now would be an ideal time.

That's what I'm talking about Pabst.
But I'm thinking they will play the similar bend don't break zones and wait for young and inexperienced QB's to make mistakes on their own.
Rather than working on man, improving their man skills, improving their cohesion on defense with man and actually forcing QB's to go to second and third reads = more time in pocket, happy feet, more sacks, tips, picks, turnovers.

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Stosh-67 wrote:
I believe on both offense and defense this staffs mentality is to show as little as possible to the opponents and try and win games by doing so, not put too much on tape for other teams, and other teams they may see in the playoffs.


I'm not sure that was necessarily Cowher's reasoning for the same approach (I think more of a case of "do a few things really well')....but we all know the results when playoffs came and they tried to be dynamic and do different things and add wrinkles.


Again, hate to use NE because I think there's a lot more going on there than just X's and O's, but Belicheat's teams routinely attack completely different WEEK-to-WEEK (on both offense and defense). There's other teams that fall into that camp, too, so it is possible.

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 Post subject: Re: More "Man" coverage coming?
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Pabst wrote:
JackSplat58 wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
I don't get the whole, we're doing man coverage in practice thing, so we'll be fine.

I don't believe for a second that the secondary is going to be able to just flip a switch and go man against the Pats if they have not had sufficient in-game experience doing it.


This was the whole excuse for not implementing it last year, is that they hadn't used it all season. You'd have to think they'd test it out at some point before the playoffs. But, "we do what we do"... :roll:

Don't want to put too much on tape... :roll:

Well, the next 5 games are against the #23, 27, 21, 28, and 31st ranked passing offenses in the NFL. If they're going to test out new wrinkles in pass coverage, now would be an ideal time.

I think they play conservative until our offense gets a decent lead and then they'll sparingly work on their man coverages. Try to have some success with it under 'safe' circumstances to build confidence. On offense, I believe they really try to build Bryant's confidence in the next few games. A couple long scores for him wouldn't surprise me one bit.


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 Post subject: Re: More "Man" coverage coming?
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Name two QBs they’ll need to play man against the rest of the season. You can’t.
The fact of the matter is they are playing great zone and getting a good pass rush. The only team we need to use man for between now and and the SB is the Patriots.


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Name two QBs they’ll need to play man against the rest of the season. You can’t.
The fact of the matter is they are playing great zone and getting a good pass rush. The only team we need to use man for between now and and the SB is the Patriots.


Do you think that by only playing man in practice that the defense will be ready to execute at the needed level when they play the Pats? Isn't that the worry?

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Name two QBs they’ll need to play man against the rest of the season. You can’t.
The fact of the matter is they are playing great zone and getting a good pass rush. The only team we need to use man for between now and and the SB is the Patriots.


Good thing we don't face Stafford again cause he shredded that zone

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 Post subject: Re: More "Man" coverage coming?
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Zone is just incredibly deeply ingrained for the Steelers. It’s like that because they’ve historically put all their stock in the pass rush. Sacking the qb instead of defending the pass. I mean that’s all well and fine. It’s kind of like in baseball sending every hitter up swinging for HR. You can win like. But there’s also a whole strategy around moving base runners.

The other thing this system does is tend to get value players at CB and DB generally. Ike Taylor is the prototype. Later round small School gem that can be coached up over years in the scheme to play at near pro bowl level. Problem is that this takes too long. They realized they gotta get an Artie burns a Sean Davis and pay for a joe Haden. If they get a breakout type player in a mike Hilton great but they planned on willie gay there anyway.

When Brady and Rodgers eat al see those cushions they must be biting their lips to keep from laughing.

Now pass rush is better although were top 10 in sacks past two seasons. Now the dbs are for real. But they just will not give up their zone. Because that would basically invert the whole way they think it should work.

Any rate we’re getting contributions from both side so enjoy it.

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