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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:06 pm 
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I understood Mitchell is the QB of the secondary. Anybody know if it will have an effect? He does have experience over everybody else with the exception of Gay and Golden. And Haden.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:49 pm 
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Injured achilles? He'll never golf again.


I think that's for hamstrings. :lol:


He'll push everything to the right. Well done fellas!

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Have you seen Robert Golden play defense?


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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I understood Mitchell is the QB of the secondary. Anybody know if it will have an effect? He does have experience over everybody else with the exception of Gay and Golden. And Haden.


If Mitchell is the QB of the secondary, it certainly explains some things. Mostly from the last few seasons.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:28 pm 
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I understood Mitchell is the QB of the secondary. Anybody know if it will have an effect? He does have experience over everybody else with the exception of Gay and Golden. And Haden.


If Mitchell is the QB of the secondary, it certainly explains some things. Mostly from the last few seasons.


Sounds more like an indictment instead of an explanation. With all the "miscommunications" in the secondary, it seems that Mitchell is to "secondary qb" what the Browns are to winning.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:46 pm 
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Wilcox or Golden can step in this week and hopefully help contain Brissett and Hilton

If we can't lay 30+ on this shit Colts team, indoors, minus Vontae Davis....

I mean really?

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COR-TEN wrote:
I understood Mitchell is the QB of the secondary. Anybody know if it will have an effect? He does have experience over everybody else with the exception of Gay and Golden. And Haden.


If Mitchell is the QB of the secondary, it certainly explains some things. Mostly from the last few seasons.


Sounds more like an indictment instead of an explanation. With all the "miscommunications" in the secondary, it seems that Mitchell is to "secondary qb" what the Browns are to winning.


I try not to use sarcasm with students (Pink Floyd and actual educational research back me up here), so it definitely leaks onto the board if I post when I'm putting in grades.


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Wilcox has his good points as well as Golden they have flaws like Mitchell. I think QB is still on the early list for next year and still think they also look for a TE too.


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My problem with Mitchell is that we aren't getting our money's worth. I saw online that his cap hit this year is over $8 million bucks per season. We are on the hook for the about the same next season. Can anyone confirm?

If so, wtf... :evil:

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Still limited today. Not going to make it. Brian Allen CB to dress.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:34 pm 
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My problem with Mitchell is that we aren't getting our money's worth. I saw online that his cap hit this year is over $8 million bucks per season. We are on the hook for the about the same next season. Can anyone confirm?

If so, wtf... :evil:



It is misleading what his cap hit is because the team restructured his contract to free up money so that they could sign other players. This is the way the Steelers do business and they do this with their core players.

Mitchell signed a 5 year $25 million contract. It came with just a $4.75 million signing bonus. He did have two roster bonuses, a $500,000 in 2014 and a $2 million in 2015.

In 2015, they took that roster bonus, and a good bit of his salary that year and they restructured it, turning it into a signing bonus. That meant that they freed up some $3.25 million which they used to sign other players.

The next season in 2016, Mitchell was to make $5 million in base but they restructured his contract and paid out $4.15 million to him in the form of a signing bonus and it reduced his base salary to $885,000. This freed up money so that they were able to get David DeCastro's deal done.

Omar Khan and the Steelers usually have low base salaries for their players upfront and then at the backend the base salary increases significantly. Where it gets kind of crazy is that those last couple years can be artificially high because of those restructures.

Yes, Mitchell is scheduled to make just $5 million in base salary for 2017 and 2018 but the pro rated portion of his original signing bonus, $950,000 and the pro rated portion of his restructured bonus, $2.2 million push his cap hit to $8.1 million. It is no different than what they have done with Lawrence Timmons, or Marcus Gilbert, or Cam Heyward, when they need money they go to their core players and restructure and they create and structure the contracts accordingly when they sign those players to begin with.

Don't hate Mike Mitchell, don't hate the player, hate the game, hate Omar Khan and the Steelers for doing their contract this way. Me? I have no problem with it, it works, we keep a lot of star players, we are in contention, a playoff caliber team, it obviously is working.

That being said, I cut Mitchell next season. They are to pay him $5 million in base next year and so that would save $5 million, they would still be on the hook for some $3 million because of the last pro rated portions of his signing bonus and restructured bonuses. His body is breaking down, can't stay healthy. He wasn't able to play much in the preseason because of injury and now he is going to miss time with this achilles. Seems like it always something with him, shoulder, groin, etc. Time to move on.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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That being said, I cut Mitchell next season. They are to pay him $5 million in base next year and so that would save $5 million, they would still be on the hook for some $3 million because of the last pro rated portions of his signing bonus and restructured bonuses.


I can't see how they'd be able to pay Haden, Bell AND Mitchell.

Mitchell is done. They'll probably try to shop him for an R6 or R7, but I'm pretty sure teams will just wait for him to be cut.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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I remember tweaking my Achilles. Was in the outfield for slow pitch corporate softball, thinking to myself I just tweaked my Achilles and I wonder if I should worry about.......5 minutes later I swung for the fences and smashed one right down the first base line, just short of passing the pitcher’s mound but fair. Three to five sprint steps towards first base I was facing homeplate somehow with a completely ruptured Achilles. Drove myself to urgent care and one sizable scar and 4 years later all is back to 90% normal.

This is what would be going through my mind if I was Mitchell.


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Still limited today. Not going to make it. Brian Allen CB to dress.

Good. I want Allen with as much PT as he can get. I know it may be just ST's too. I think Allen and Sutton should both dress and play Sunday.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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I agree with you 77. Let these guys get the experience of being starters. They should be better than what we have.

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Still limited today. Not going to make it. Brian Allen CB to dress.

Good. I want Allen with as much PT as he can get. I know it may be just ST's too. I think Allen and Sutton should both dress and play Sunday.


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Another thing genie if I'm Tombert I look at safety in the first and second day(s) of the draft for Mitchell's replacement. I don't believe right now Wilcox/Hagen/Gay and especially Golden are answers going forward. Blanding, Allen, Harrison, Fitzpatrick, Webb etc...

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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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I agree. All of those guys have some weakness in pass protection. Sometimes you can covert a decent CB but we could definitely use a draftee or free agent.

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Another thing genie if I'm Tombert I look at safety in the first and second day(s) of the draft for Mitchell's replacement. I don't believe right now Wilcox/Hagen/Gay and especially Golden are answers going forward. Blanding, Allen, Harrison, Fitzpatrick, Webb etc...


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 Post subject: Re: Mitchell has injured achilles
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I remember tweaking my Achilles. Was in the outfield for slow pitch corporate softball, thinking to myself I just tweaked my Achilles and I wonder if I should worry about.......5 minutes later I swung for the fences and smashed one right down the first base line, just short of passing the pitcher’s mound but fair. Three to five sprint steps towards first base I was facing homeplate somehow with a completely ruptured Achilles. Drove myself to urgent care and one sizable scar and 4 years later all is back to 90% normal.

This is what would be going through my mind if I was Mitchell.

This is exactly what happened with Richard Sherman this month.

Two games ago, he injured his Achilles and knew it was going to fully go at some point. He continued to play, because, as he said, who knows when/if it was going to go and B. every game is too important to his team.

Anyway, he played 2 games in 4 days and it ruptured completely.

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Week 10 injury report, Deebo is listed out vs Colts Sunday. Didn't know he had a back injury. http://www.steelers.com/news/injuryrepo ... bec0215d13

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