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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:25 am 
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I’m sure CNN is allowed to broadcast in Canada though right?

The same CNN that’s had to retract stories they ran that were highly false. The same CNN that’s been outed as straight making up stuff to fit its agenda.

I hear the Fox accusation often. Funny thing is though, when challenged to cite what “fake news” is being spouted people can’t.

My Fast & Furious News wasn’t fake. I provided the background. You can look up he rest if you choose.

In the future though, I’d appreciate you not lumping me in with “old stupid viewers” and “conspiracy theories” when you didn’t even bother to take the time to see if I was full of shit or not.

In this instance, I was the one providing facts and you lazily resorted to liberal talking points.

You can do better than that.


There are many many examples of Fox lies (see Seth Rich conspiracy for one of many) however recently I am not sure if you have heard but they have said countless times that there is zero evidence of the Trump campaign colluding with Russia. Zero evidence. But there kinda is lots of evidence and more and more coming daily about people on the campaign kinda, sorta trying to connect with Russian peeps to cut quid pro quo's. Just a little bit here and there. See Manafort see Donny Jr, see Page etc.

Please save your canned response, I know you will check your talking points and like a good parrot spew them out. Just trying to help you fella's see the light.

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Russia again? The bogus witch hunt by Mueller? Other than saying the word collusion what actual collusion has there been evidence of? Actual collusion now. Not just cuz CNN said. Money paid for a benefit received. Real collusion. Tied to Trump. Not something Manafort did prior to campaign.

And I suppose you’ve been ignoring the real story about what the DNC was doing on he campaign. More conspiracy right? It’s all just a “vast right wing conspiracy” huh? Just like the cum on Monica’s dress.

Funny how just the mention of collusion stirs up the left yet hard evidence of real crimes committed by your cherished & failed candidate are always dismissed.


95 there are indictments and more coming and someone (papadopolous)plead guilty already to lying to the FBI about Russian entanglements. Whatever, believe what you (or Hannity) want to believe I actually feel kinda feel sorry for you. :(


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 Post subject: Re: The Mothership is Afire
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:12 am 
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Swiss is right about the medical. I've crossed into your lands almost 100 times

Worked with your fine people, I've heard the stories about sick children and other emergencies. Single payer leads to serfdom


Single payer leads to being tied to a specific piece of land that you have to farm for a feudal lord until death? That's weird.


Funny you should mention 'land', that is being stolen from us land owners too, among everything else to make everyone have a 'fair' distribution.

You should look up the full meaning of that word. Mr. Literalglitterarty


Oh? Are you one of those crackpot ranchers out west who supposes that the federal government has no claim over land used in the United States?

By the way, any moron, can see that distributive justice requires that equals should get equal shares and that unequals should get unequal shares. The difficulty is not in pinning down a definition common to all forms of distributive justice. The difficulty is in deciding on which merit or matter is most relevant in deciding distribution. Probably those who are the fastest runners suppose the spoils should be divided up based on how fast you can run so that the fastest should get the best pieces of the pie.

We are all biased and would like to see distribution based on whatever merit or matter would have us benefit most.

What most people fail to see in politics is that there are competing, legitimate claims to political power.

Without wealth a nation cannot prosper and so those generative of the most wealth have a legitimate claim to more power than others less generative of wealth.
Without those willing to die to defend the nation, a nation cannot last and so those more willing to die (those with more courage) have a legitimate claim to more power than others with less courage.
Without the virtuous and prudent, a nation cannot do what is best for itself and so those with more virtue and intellectual ability to see what must be done have a legitimate claim to more power than those with less insight.
Without a nation of free born citizens who are able to rule themselves, a nation must devolve at best into a nanny state and at worst into a tyranny, and so those free born with reason have a legitimate claim that that they are owed as much power as everyone else.

This is not an exhaustive list, but only some obvious merits to power.

Now, you can go down the list of party talking points on both sides of the aisle and see different claims to power being championed over others. But the true high-level statesman or woman will have the insight to see how to make all these competing claims commensurate with one another.

One of the most brilliant aspects of our particular republican constitution is that it tries to make the different claims commensurate via the house, (before the 17th amendment), the senate, and the unelected judiciary.

Those on the far right (the Breitbart set) and on the far left (the HuffPo set) are morons incapable of recognizing a diverse competing set of legitimate claims to power. They think only the claims they champion are the appropriate merits or matters on which to distribute the various categories of goods. They are myopic and stupid, thus.

So I appreciate you telling me to look up the meaning of the word fair, Beth, but, perhaps, you will do me the credit of recognizing that I already have.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mothership is Afire
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I confess I had heard mention of Operation Fast and Furious, but knew next to nothing about it. So I read this:

http://swampland.time.com/2012/09/20/fast-and-furious-ig-report-destroys-right-wing-conspiracy-theories/

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What none on the right are admitting is that Horowitz’s report systematically reveals how irresponsible and speculative the accusations from their side have been. The report criticizes Holder’s Criminal Division chief Lanny Breuer for failing to inform Holder or his deputy that “gun walking” had taken place in the Bush administration in another case in Arizona called “Wide Receiver”. But the report shows that Breuer knew nothing about gun walking in Fast and Furious, and that therefore the scandal existed three levels below Holder (let alone the White House).


Huh. Gun walking started under the Bush administration. Did Fox News mention that?

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Horowitz destroys the conspiracy theories on both sides of the aisle over 471-pages, but it’s the right wing screamers who come out looking worst. Horowitz shows definitively that the Arizona ATF agents and prosecutors in the U.S. Attorney’s office there were responsible for the operation, not the White House or the Justice Department in Washington and that the primary source of the inaccurate testimony given to Congress was the U.S. Attorney for Arizona, Dennis Burke.


Fascinating.
There are differences between "wide receiver" and "fast and furious." RFD chips in the guns, and the Mexican gov knew about Wide Receiver. However, both originated in AZ, and were directives of local offices. Holder didn't provide requested documents because it was an on going investigation, and was held in contempt by a republican congress. But look into the details. It's not completely what the conservative right wants you to think.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mothership is Afire
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:57 am 
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But back to the original topic :

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ESPN’s profits are declining, but it is still profitable and its revenue and number of employees are still both growing. Even in 2016, as the presidential election pulled attention from everything else in television, ESPN ranked as the highest-rated cable network among men and adults between ages 18 and 54, and second among total viewers in primetime. As Bill Simmons told Kafka, “it’s weird that people think they’re in trouble. They’re not in trouble. They’re just not going to be making money hand over fist, like they did six years ago.”

Still, one of the most common biases in media is that reporters miss the forest for the forest fires, focusing on crises over more-important, yet less exciting, trendlines. In 2015, ESPN laid off about 300 people, and it was a big story. Last week, it laid off 100 people, including several prominent on-air talents, and it was an even bigger story. But in the 18-month interim, its global workforce actually grew by 500 to 8,000—and it wasn’t a story at all.


From here : https://www.theatlantic.com/business/ar ... re/524922/

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 Post subject: Re: The Mothership is Afire
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:51 pm 
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95 there are indictments and more coming and someone (papadopolous)plead guilty already to lying to the FBI about Russian entanglements. Whatever, believe what you (or Hannity) want to believe I actually feel kinda feel sorry for you. :(


You know, if Papadoplus or Manafort did something illegal they should be punished. But here’s the thing with all this Russia stuff. It’s on record the FBI knew Russians were trying to meddle in our political system going back to I think 2015. Likely longer as that is what countries do to one another. We play those games as well around the world. Further, simply speaking to a Russian doesn’t constitute collusion. Look, both sides are lobbing shit at one another. So take a moment and see which shit passes the smell test.

These Russian allegations came out almost immediately after Trump’s victory. Like clockwork almost. She lost, he won, and in very short order there was immediate scandal and crying the Russians Russians Russians. So then ask yourself how is it possible that none of this gets mentioned oh I dunno, during the campaigns where it could have sealed victory for her? Why after?

It isn’t plausible on any level to believe they knew nothing of Russians before Nov. 8, 2016 but all of a sudden immediately after they have all this evidence of Russian collusion? Smells fishy to me.

Also, has anyone been able to show any actual collusion? I don’t mean someone talked to a Russian. What I am referring to is something along the lines of do this for us and we will do this for you after we win the election. And even then, did that have any play at the ballot box? Were Russian operatives forcing people to vote a certain way? Did they hack our system and change votes?

And back to those “indictments”. How can you not see (well I know) or smell the stench there? What leads you to believe that THIS investigation is really on the up & up?

Look no further than the previous high level “investigation” our “Justice Department” conducted. There you had a presidential candidate accused of being “grossly negligent” in her handling of classified information. A term changed (prior to actually interviewing her) to “extremely careless” by who should be referred to as “disgraced” former FBI directed James Comey. A director that wrote his exoneration months before actually interviewing the target of said “investigation”. Oh wait, it wasn’t an investigation at all. We know this because Comey himself has said that his boss (Loretta Lynch) told him to not publicly refer to it as an investigation and instead use the term “matter”.

So said candidate was (and there is mountains of eveidnce so let’s not debate this point) guilty of grossly mishandling classified information. Something that as the law is written constitutes treason. The law is VERY clear that intent matters not and the simple act of not safeguarding the info in and of itself is treasonous.

But it doesn’t stop there. Said candidate was also required, not by rule but by law, to maintain copies of ALL of her official correspondence while serving as Secretary if State. Not only did she fail to do so, she took the additional steps of deleting thousands and thousands of emails AND THEN had her IT guys wipe the server clean. And no, not with a “cloth” tee hee. Those acts constitute obstruction of justice.

Then to top it off there is the perjury. You know, the same crime her husband committed that led to articles of impeachment being drafted. Statements she made (under oath) in regards to the Benghazi investigation were later found to be false. This isn’t “conspiracy” as her own emails (the ones she didn’t get to delete & wipe clean) proved.

So we have a “Justice Department” that has mountains of strong evidence against a presidential candidate for treason, obstruction of justice, and perjury yet the freakin director of the FBI exonerates her before even one interview all the while the Attorney General directs her underlings to not even consider it an “investigation”. Are you kidding me???

All of that and yet you want me to believe that this Mueller probe is being conducted ethically and by the book?

If I see & smell dogshit I don’t need to first step in it to know what I’m looking at and smelling is dogshit.

And that is the difference between you and me. I don’t align myself so tightly to Dem or Repub that I’m not able to call a spade a spade. You cannot do that nor can very many other liberals. You are the guy that would smirk while laying down a royal flush in spades. Problem is, your ace of spades is really a club. Everyone else at the table sees it’s a club except you yet you sit there and cry how you should have won till you are blue in face.

In your world everything corrupt or against the law one of your precious liberals do is immediately dismissed as “right wing conspiracy” or “fake Fox News”. You take whatever you are given from CNN or wherever and treat it as gospel no matter how bogus. Herded in the direction they want you to go like mindless cattle.

And that makes you no better than common cattle. So you feel sorry for me? Oh no. That hardly hurts coming from someone who is either incredibly lazy, very naive, or frankly hovering but a few IQ points above a heffer.

You can flame away. I’ll let you have this one as this debate has become much what standing in a pasture debating with said heffer would feel like. I’d rather just have it for dinner and be on my way.

On a brighter note, today is November 8th. Anniversary of the day the Clinton Crime machine came to an end.

I’m no fan of some of the things Trump has done or said. However, he did accomplish one great thing. And that’s keeping one of the most corrupt politicians in history from having even more power.

I wonder how much Bill gets paid for speeches these days or how many foreign entitities are lining up to make massive “donations” to the Clinton Foundation now that they have nothing to offer in return.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mothership is Afire
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ESPN’s profits are declining, but it is still profitable and its revenue and number of employees are still both growing. Even in 2016, as the presidential election pulled attention from everything else in television, ESPN ranked as the highest-rated cable network among men and adults between ages 18 and 54, and second among total viewers in primetime. As Bill Simmons told Kafka, “it’s weird that people think they’re in trouble. They’re not in trouble. They’re just not going to be making money hand over fist, like they did six years ago.”

This is a nice example of short term rather than long term outlook.

Profits declining is the entire point, and that's because their expenses are increasing faster than revenues. For 2016, ESPN was paying $4.7b for broadcasting rights. That number is going to jump to $5.8b in the near future. Meanwhile, they're facing increased competition from newcomers like Amazon and every league now has its own network. If ESPN loses broadcasting rights to the NBA, NFL, and/or MLB, they're completely screwed.

All the while, they're losing about 2 million subscribers/year. ESPN has been able to offset that with an increase in subscriber fees, which have jumped from $4 in 2010 to $7 in 2016 (5x higher than the 2nd most expensive channel). That can't continue indefinitely, and cable companies are starting to push back - look at the Altice cable fight in NY. I really don't see how ESPN can keep bumping up subscription costs at a time when people are cord cutting faster than ever. Some cable companies are even starting to offer lean packages that exclude ESPN.

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Still, one of the most common biases in media is that reporters miss the forest for the forest fires, focusing on crises over more-important, yet less exciting, trendlines. In 2015, ESPN laid off about 300 people, and it was a big story. Last week, it laid off 100 people, including several prominent on-air talents, and it was an even bigger story. But in the 18-month interim, its global workforce actually grew by 500 to 8,000—and it wasn’t a story at all.

So what does their overall payroll expense look like? If they cut 400 people averaging $100k/year and hired 500 people making $50k/year, then they've still dramatically cut their payroll. This is meaningless without numbers.

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It isn’t plausible on any level to believe they knew nothing of Russians before Nov. 8, 2016 but all of a sudden immediately after they have all this evidence of Russian collusion? Smells fishy to me.



Huh??

July 25 2016 – The FBI confirms it has opened an investigation into the hacking of the DNC computer network. “The FBI is investigating a cyber intrusion involving the DNC and are working to determine the nature and scope of the matter. A compromise of this nature is something we take very seriously, and the FBI will continue to investigate and hold accountable those who pose a threat in cyberspace,” it says in a release.

(James Comey, the FBI director at the time, would later testify that the FBI in late July 2016 began investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and whether Trump campaign associates were involved in those efforts. The New York Times would later report that Page’s speech in Moscow “was a catalyst for the F.B.I. investigation into connections between Russia and President Trump’s campaign.”)

So under oath, the FBI director testified that they began looking into whether the Trump associates were involved in Russia's interference with the election. So the Government and Intelligence agencies knew about it before the election day. It was not announced that it was occurring because officials ( i.e. Obama) did not want to seem to influence the election.

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It was not announced that it was occurring because officials ( i.e. Obama) did not want to seem to influence the election.
Meanwhile, Obama asked for a bi-partisan effort to expose the interferance and asked Mitch McConnell, republican majority leader, to make a joint public statement. He said "No."

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jebrick wrote:
955876 wrote:

It isn’t plausible on any level to believe they knew nothing of Russians before Nov. 8, 2016 but all of a sudden immediately after they have all this evidence of Russian collusion? Smells fishy to me.



Huh??

July 25 2016 – The FBI confirms it has opened an investigation into the hacking of the DNC computer network. “The FBI is investigating a cyber intrusion involving the DNC and are working to determine the nature and scope of the matter. A compromise of this nature is something we take very seriously, and the FBI will continue to investigate and hold accountable those who pose a threat in cyberspace,” it says in a release.

(James Comey, the FBI director at the time, would later testify that the FBI in late July 2016 began investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and whether Trump campaign associates were involved in those efforts. The New York Times would later report that Page’s speech in Moscow “was a catalyst for the F.B.I. investigation into connections between Russia and President Trump’s campaign.”)

So under oath, the FBI director testified that they began looking into whether the Trump associates were involved in Russia's interference with the election. So the Government and Intelligence agencies knew about it before the election day. It was not announced that it was occurring because officials ( i.e. Obama) did not want to seem to influence the election.


Leaving out all the news about the DNC, Fushion GPS, and the Clinton ties to the “Russians”?

My point, which apparently is lost here is that if they had knoweledge prior to 11/8 that Trump was in cahoots with the Russians they would have used it during campaign. It would have been a huge thing.

As it turned out, the Russian stuff wasn’t made a huge issue until after the surprise victory. Then it was oh my god we’ve been invaded, hacked, and taken over by the Russians.

And I’m with Swiss in terms of politicians. They all stink. Difference here is that many of you here hold investigations into those on the right as the holy grail while dismissing everything on the left.

Do you really believe they are clean? At etc all the crap that’s comes out about Clinton, the DNC, the farce of an investigation the “Justice dept” conducted or actually failed to conduct?

How about this, explain away the farce that was Comey’s investigation. Humor me here. I need a laugh.

Explain away how all that evidence don’t and doesn’t warrant a massive investigation into Clinton, Comey, Lynch etc.??

Hillary should have been removed early on from the ticket and replaced.

How is “gross negligence” not so just because a Clinton that did it?

How is obstruction of justice not obstruction just because a Clinton did it?

How is perjury not a crime just because a Clinton did it.

You are looking for crimes elsewhere but willfully excuse all of those done that already has all the proof needed. Problem is the corrupt power the be in DC, the protected inner circle won’t do a thing about it. Instead they lead you to look elsewhere.

Hey, if Trump or anyone else in their team did commit crimes lock them up I say. Provided the same hand of “Justice” is applied to Clinton, Comey, Lynch etc.


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And about the hacking of the DNC. So what? What came from that hack was how the DNC was colluding against Sanders.

Is that something as a voter you would like to know? Or is the hack itself the issue?

You said yourself and I posted Obama had been informed the Russians were trying to meddle. What did they do?


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