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 Post subject: Re: More "Man" coverage coming?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:25 pm 
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Name two QBs they’ll need to play man against the rest of the season. You can’t.
The fact of the matter is they are playing great zone and getting a good pass rush. The only team we need to use man for between now and and the SB is the Patriots.


Do you think that by only playing man in practice that the defense will be ready to execute at the needed level when they play the Pats? Isn't that the worry?


Exactly Lit. This team should have been preparing for Brady all year by playing man concepts all throughout the season. Half the snaps should have been man and half zone - mixing it up on every play. That's what they are going to have to do against the Pats, but they haven't even practiced it in a game situation.


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 Post subject: Re: More "Man" coverage coming?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:00 pm 
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Exactly Lit. This team should have been preparing for Brady all year by playing man concepts all throughout the season. Half the snaps should have been man and half zone - mixing it up on every play. That's what they are going to have to do against the Pats, but they haven't even practiced it in a game situation.


But when they get curb stomped the coaches can cry they didn't have the personnel to do what they wanted. Or, in the first real test of the scheme, they'll say it was a "good plan, we just didn't execute".

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 Post subject: Re: More "Man" coverage coming?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:31 pm 
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Zone is just incredibly deeply ingrained for the Steelers. It’s like that because they’ve historically put all their stock in the pass rush. Sacking the qb instead of defending the pass. I mean that’s all well and fine. It’s kind of like in baseball sending every hitter up swinging for HR. You can win like. But there’s also a whole strategy around moving base runners.

The other thing this system does is tend to get value players at CB and DB generally. Ike Taylor is the prototype. Later round small School gem that can be coached up over years in the scheme to play at near pro bowl level. Problem is that this takes too long. They realized they gotta get an Artie burns a Sean Davis and pay for a joe Haden. If they get a breakout type player in a mike Hilton great but they planned on willie gay there anyway.

When Brady and Rodgers eat al see those cushions they must be biting their lips to keep from laughing.

Now pass rush is better although were top 10 in sacks past two seasons. Now the dbs are for real. But they just will not give up their zone. Because that would basically invert the whole way they think it should work.

Any rate we’re getting contributions from both side so enjoy it.


You say value players, I say crap players. Because the former value coach-em-up guys at OLB are no longer available in the quantity they used to be, Colbert has to spend a ridiculous amount of draft capital on that position, and therefore neglect the secondary. So when the blitz doesn't get home (which prior to this season was often), they're screwed.

I think there needs to be a more balanced approach. Yes this system will overwhelm average offenses more often than not, but the good QBs will pick it apart. The secondary is much more important than it used to be, and because of the quick drop passing game, can't be as easily covered up.


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 Post subject: Re: More "Man" coverage coming?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:35 pm 
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Our D line when healthy makes the blitz much, much more effective

Tuitt Hargrave and Heyward are the best we've had in a while

I think it definitely rivals A A Ron and Keisel, better actually

So with those 3 creating havoc, the 1 or 2 blitzers are more apt to find an easier path to the QB

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 Post subject: Re: More "Man" coverage coming?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:20 am 
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I will be interested to see if Allen is not activated vs NE. He has the size to cover Gronk.


It takes an All-Pro like Eric Berry to cover Gronk. Allen may not even be in the NFL in 3 years. Please God no...

Man...zone....flag football...if we meet in the post-season, they'll adjust to whatever scheme that was successfully used against them in the regular season. Oddly, Butler and Tomlin won't anticipate this....

To be fair, few coaching staffs have looked smart against Belicheat during the Marsha era. Has anyone beaten NE twice in one season? Maybe Peyton?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:26 am 
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I will be interested to see if Allen is not activated vs NE. He has the size to cover Gronk.


It takes an All-Pro like Eric Berry to cover Gronk. Allen may not even be in the NFL in 3 years. Please God no...

Man...zone....flag football...if we meet in the post-season, they'll adjust to whatever scheme that was successfully used against them in the regular season. Oddly, Butler and Tomlin won't anticipate this....

To be fair, few coaching staffs have looked smart against Belicheat during the Marsha era. Has anyone beaten NE twice in one season? Maybe Peyton?


Cotrez Allen shut Gronk down as a rookie. I do not think they have to be all-pro.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:31 am 
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 Post subject: Re: More "Man" coverage coming?
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ChicagoSteel wrote:
Has anyone beaten NE twice in one season? Maybe Peyton?

During Years Brady played:

2005 DEN
2006 IND
2010 NYJ
2011 NYG
2012 BAL
2015 DEN

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 Post subject: Re: More "Man" coverage coming?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:38 am 
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A A Ron


Lolz

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 Post subject: Re: More "Man" coverage coming?
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jebrick wrote:
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I will be interested to see if Allen is not activated vs NE. He has the size to cover Gronk.


It takes an All-Pro like Eric Berry to cover Gronk. Allen may not even be in the NFL in 3 years. Please God no...

Man...zone....flag football...if we meet in the post-season, they'll adjust to whatever scheme that was successfully used against them in the regular season. Oddly, Butler and Tomlin won't anticipate this....

To be fair, few coaching staffs have looked smart against Belicheat during the Marsha era. Has anyone beaten NE twice in one season? Maybe Peyton?


Cotrez Allen shut Gronk down as a rookie. I do not think they have to be all-pro.


Cortez's mythology with Gronk reminds me of Kemoautu's mythology with Hampton. Kemo shut down Hampton in ONE drill in camp. Everyone figures he's got to be talented to do that. Kemo lived off that one day for years....

Cortez...an epic flameout...may have had a lucky game...a game where he played lights out....LIKE an ALL-PRO....a game he never duplicated again. Hey, sometimes a benchwarmer comes in and scores 30 points...it happens but you don't use luck as a strategy.

Or were other factors involved? Did Cortez have help in scheme? Did anyone analyze the All-22? Was tubmonster Gronk 100%?

Which of these scenarios seems most likely? What is the most likely outcome if rookie Allen is lined up against Gronk? Can you imagine the shit Tomlin (but curiously NOT Butler) would take on THIS board if Allen lines up against Gronk and gets inevitably torched?

Come on man....

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