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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:06 pm 
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We seem to have a WR factory. The rookies come in and the coaching and Ben turn them into superstars. Sell one and get the IMLB that seems to take 3 years to develop in the PS. There have not been many rookies that have come in an made a huge impact at that position. I am just saying I don’t want to develop an IMLB. We can live without JuJu and teams are foolish enough to make a trade for a WR. I don’t know who the prospect is, but that is for the GM to figure out. You can’t have AB and Bell at every skill position...the salary cap will not allow it, unless you get some type of Lebron James friends wink wink deal going on.

It makes sense.

You all are being short sighted. Sure up MB and Eli with coaching, plus we have a new punt returner too in Eli.


JuJu is on a rookie contracts and playing for peanuts. So yeah, the salary cap will more than allow it.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:23 pm 
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There is absolutely Zero Chance the Steelers will trade Juju.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:13 pm 
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
We are flush with talent at WR. I would trade Ju Ju to a team that is flush with MLB talent, to replace Shazier in the off-season. RS will need to move on with his life’s work and maybe coaching said MLB. And if he has a miraculous recovery we get depth. But all signs point to him being wheel chair bound or at best walking and never playing football again.

Sure we could probably build with the draft and take our chances, but I would pull off a trade with a bona fide WR for a bonafide MLB. If we have Bryant and Rogers seemingly back, we would be in good stead.

If I recall correctly, I was very young, but I recall Gabe Rivera being blamed for a PS defensive slump for a few seasons; the argument being it was dufficult to recover from losing your #1 draft pick.


I'll give you credit for having the gonads to post this. Not much else though.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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So assuming Ben returns, we will have AB, MB, Ju Ju, and Eli again. Too much pressure to make everyone happy. I suspect this pressure is what has made the offense sputter at times this year.

Get rid of someone (JuJu) from the WR Corp if you can get a IMLB with a pedigree.

I just don’t think you can get too much (trade wise) from Rogers and MB, so Ju Ju is th obvious candidate. I love him, and loved the Burfict hit, just think it is more important to plug the run defense gap quickly, rather than sit on too much talent in the WR Corp. you can have to much talent in the WR Corp to the detriment of the team.

Oh well no biggy if we don’t. I trust the front office.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:15 pm 
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
We are flush with talent at WR. I would trade Ju Ju to a team that is flush with MLB talent, to replace Shazier in the off-season. RS will need to move on with his life’s work and maybe coaching said MLB. And if he has a miraculous recovery we get depth. But all signs point to him being wheel chair bound or at best walking and never playing football again.

Sure we could probably build with the draft and take our chances, but I would pull off a trade with a bona fide WR for a bonafide MLB. If we have Bryant and Rogers seemingly back, we would be in good stead.

If I recall correctly, I was very young, but I recall Gabe Rivera being blamed for a PS defensive slump for a few seasons; the argument being it was dufficult to recover from losing your #1 draft pick.


I'll give you credit for having the gonads to post this. Not much else though.


Eggnog overdose is all I can come up with

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:25 pm 
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Most draftniks felt that Juju was a bargain where the Steelers drafted him. Seeing him play - making tough catches in traffic - I see why. As goofy and funny as he is, he is very talented. His awkward silliness reminds me of The Refrigerator mania of the mid 80's. Juju is a keeper.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:12 pm 
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We've been trying for approximately three/four seasons to find a legitimate #2 receiver to help take pressure off of and free up Brown. Been trying to find a #2 WR to be there when Brown gets "dinged" by a dirty hit, a game or two before the playoffs. Been trying to find a receiver with some "across the middle, between the hashes, ball skills. Some blocking skills, Some dependency.

Now we find a NO LESS than F&*%KING GEM that fills all those roles. And now we're gonna drink laced eggnog while "burn'in" scientifically bred medicinal hash and trade him away?

Com'on people; moderation & willpower is the key to preventing modern medicine overtaking your life.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:25 pm 
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Uhh...no.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:49 pm 
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Shazier was the 15th overall pick, so just drafting a replacement with his skills and talent is not really going to be realistic at the end of round 1. I also don't think this is a great class for ILBs, I don't see any special Shazier type of athletes.

That said, I do have my eye on one player that I was hoping the Steelers would draft even before Shazier got injured. Back when they were scouting Javon Hargrave at South Carolina State I wonder if they got some looks at then freshman ILB Darius Leonard?

Leonard is listed at 6'3" 235 and I have heard reports that he runs in the 4.6 40 area. Just like Javon though there will be people that question the level of competition but if you are to be drafted and play in the NFL you HAD BEST dominate the level of competition. So, did he?

Javon Hargrave won the 2014 and 2015 MEAC Defensive Player of the Year award and Darius Leonard won it in 2016 and 2017. For his 3 year career he had 42 tackles for loss and 13.5 sacks.

The past two seasons he had 238 tackles, 12 sacks, 4 INTs, one that he returned for a TD, he even blocked two kicks. When he is officially measured at the combine he may be smaller than that listed 6'3" 235, maybe he will be 6'2" and 230.

I was hoping that we could snag him at the end of round 2 but he may very well find himself pushed way up. You look at somebody like Hassan Reddick last year who found himself pushed all the way up to the 13th overall pick. Or look at Jarrad Davis who was pushed up to the 21st overall pick. The Steelers are not going to be able to easily draft Shazier's replacement with a late first round pick, the marquee players will be gone.

But, they might just be able to draft Leonard if he is there at the end of round 2, and he stays under the radar like Hargrave and teams are scared of the level of competition and he slides. It would be very cool to reunite those two South Carolina State team mates.

Other than that, I see no ILB free agents worthy of signing in the NFL. And most of the top names have already signed big contracts and are entrenched with their respective teams.

My idea of moving Watt to ILB I think is a great idea. Teams right now can avoid him in coverage, can minimize him, but if he were the centerpiece of your defense? If he were your ILB? Hell, your MLB? Then he becomes a force on every play. The kid is smart enough, has the instincts, the talent to do it. There might not be a better option, and it may just be the best option. Let Watt be the next Brian Urlacher and move the defense to a 4-3 and be done with it.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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A. No
B. Hell no
C. Absolutely not
D. Are you out of your ever-lovin' mind???

Hmmm, which response shall I pick?

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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Poltargyst wrote:
A. No
B. Hell no
C. Absolutely not
D. Are you out of your ever-lovin' mind???

Hmmm, which response shall I pick?

How about...
E. All of the above!

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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What I (and others) have been hoping and clamoring for since the preseason is coming together...

The offense has a chance to go on a dominant PS run.

This offense could lead the way to Lombardi #7.

No fucking way am I breaking up the potential of this offense. Not to mention, our #1 wr is injured.

Also, having that stud #2 wr is how you maximize the impact of your future HOF #1 wr vs top competition in the PS.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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I am not saying trade him now. I am saying trade during the draft to move up, or afterwards.

I like the idea of moving Watt. I still think having 7 makes WR development much easier. The WR coach must be special too.

Everyone on this board seems to be against this idea; when everyone moves to one side of the ship, get to the other side.

Career injuries like Ryan's are very seldom, and even more seldom before the prime of their careers. I think you have to do something significant and out of the box to reverse the loss of football capital his injury has created. Leadership, top NFL defensive speed, reckless abandon, generational player I suspect; you don't have to panic, but PS will need to address this in a significant way in the off-season.

Side note: Just learned that reckless abandon has nothing to do with wreck. Always assumed it was abandon that would probably lead you to wreck your life figuratively or literally.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
I am not saying trade him now. I am saying trade during the draft to move up, or afterwards.

I like the idea of moving Watt. I still think having 7 makes WR development much easier. The WR coach must be special too.

Everyone on this board seems to be against this idea; when everyone moves to one side of the ship, get to the other side.

Career injuries like Ryan's are very seldom, and even more seldom before the prime of their careers. I think you have to do something significant and out of the box to reverse the loss of football capital his injury has created. Leadership, top NFL defensive speed, reckless abandon, generational player I suspect; you don't have to panic, but PS will need to address this in a significant way in the off-season.

Side note: Just learned that reckless abandon has nothing to do with wreck. Always assumed it was abandon that would probably lead you to wreck your life figuratively or literally.


Eli Rogers sucked most of this year.

So did Bryant. He woke up like 2 weeks ago.

JuJu is Hines Ward in the body of Anquan Boldin.

No fucking way in hell you trade this dude. He's a future Pro Bowler.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
I am not saying trade him now. I am saying trade during the draft to move up, or afterwards.


My bad, you did say off season. It's even in the thread name :shock: lol

But as I previously posted, no way I am trading a 21 yr old stud who is loved/respected by his coaches and teammates and hasn't even reached his potential. I want to build the team around guys like that, not trade them.

Also, as I mentioned, I like having that stud #2 wr to leverage impact from our #1 wr especially vs top competition in the ps.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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This does bring up an interesting point . . . which is that the MLB position, long considered less important than edge, cb, safety, etc. is looking more and more vital. Look at Cowboys, Panthers and Steelers without their stud ILB. Totally different teams.

Same is happening with RB position. Long considered an afterthought, we're seeing elite RB's big huge factors for playoff teams.

While obviously not as important as QB, you could easily argue that a top 5 back (Bell, Gurley, etc.) has more value than a top 5 WR.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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the steelers after today especially will not be moving JU JU


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steelmann58 wrote:
the steelers after today especially will not be moving JU JU

Unless it's to #2 WR... :ugeek:

Perhaps they can Trade Heyward-Bey for Coates and get him back... :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:40 pm 
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JuJu Smith-Schuster (@TeamJuJu)'s 265 combined yards today,

143 receiving+122 kickoff return,

are the 2nd-most by a rookie in #Steelers history:

273: Charles Johnson 12/24/1994 @ SD
265: JuJu Smith-Schuster 12/31/2017 v CLE
245: Sid Watson 11/27/1955 v WAS

(via @EliasSports) https://twitter.com/drinelli/status/947591715946450945


Impressive...


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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Why does it feel like everyone thinks this is an attack on Ju Ju or his skills. Ju Ju is awesome. The point is it would be better for the team if we had the equivalent awesome IMLB!

If you can pull it off I can’t see how anyone on this board could argue with it. If they traded Ju Ju to an up and coming QB’s offense and got an all-pro IMLB; would you argue with that?

I think a GM worth his salt could pull it off.


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My apologies. I didn't comment trying to insult you or this thread. I did ask what ILB from an up and coming team would you shoot for?


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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Why does it feel like everyone thinks this is an attack on Ju Ju or his skills. Ju Ju is awesome. The point is it would be better for the team if we had the equivalent awesome IMLB!

If you can pull it off I can’t see how anyone on this board could argue with it. If they traded Ju Ju to an up and coming QB’s offense and got an all-pro IMLB; would you argue with that?

I think a GM worth his salt could pull it off.


I think everyone got your point, we just disagree with it. A No.2 WR is a necessity, and JuJu is just we've been missing. Would you trade a Hines Ward / Anquan Boldin mix for a MLB? I wouldn't. I'd rather wait for the Dolphins to cut Timmons and re-sign him while taking an ILB in the first 3 rounds of the draft.


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This thread is not going to age well at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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LakecrestSteeler wrote:
Why does it feel like everyone thinks this is an attack on Ju Ju or his skills. Ju Ju is awesome. The point is it would be better for the team if we had the equivalent awesome IMLB!

If you can pull it off I can’t see how anyone on this board could argue with it. If they traded Ju Ju to an up and coming QB’s offense and got an all-pro IMLB; would you argue with that?

I think a GM worth his salt could pull it off.


I think everyone got your point, we just disagree with it. A No.2 WR is a necessity, and JuJu is just we've been missing. Would you trade a Hines Ward / Anquan Boldin mix for a MLB? I wouldn't. I'd rather wait for the Dolphins to cut Timmons and re-sign him while taking an ILB in the first 3 rounds of the draft.

Agree. JuJu is a special player. They don't grow on treees. We'll find a ILB.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Ju Ju for MLB in the Off-Season?
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Didn’t some of our resident draft experts question the JuJu pick?

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