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With the replay-review function not consistently adhering to the “clear and obvious” evidence standard and with Saturday’s postseason-opening game not featuring the kind of officiating the league’s teams and fans deserve, the NFL has plenty of issues to address regarding one of its most important functions.

And the easiest solution when it comes to the current state of officiating could be to bring back former senior V.P. of officiating Dean Blandino.

There’s already talk in some league circles about a possible Blandino return in 2018. I recently joked with Blandino during a recent appearance on the PFT PM podcast regarding the possibility of returning for the postseason. He initially said he’s happy in his current job at FOX, but when pressed he said that it “depends on what the numbers are, what the finances look like.”

And it quickly became evidence that the numbers and finances had a role in Blandino’s decision to move on.

“I think that there was a sense of, around the league office and some of the people in leadership positions, they didn’t value that position the way it should have been valued, and how important it is,” Blandino said. “During the season, other than the Commissioner, the head of officiating is probably the most public-facing person in the office. And those decisions that are made, I mean, these affect the outcome of games, and that’s your product on the field.

“So I do feel that the position was not valued to where it should have been. And, look, you always like to feel that you provided value, and I would never want someone to fail to make myself look better, but I do believe that they never valued that position where it should have been, and maybe it’s a wake-up call for some people around the league.”

The question is whether they’re sufficiently awake to turn the clock back to where it was before Blandino left. And whether Blandino would be willing (or able) to exit his current job to return to the one that had been crafted specifically for him, especially as it relates to the effort to ensure accuracy and consistency as it relates to where rulings on the field will be overturned by someone who is hundreds if not thousands of miles away.


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Could NFL bring Blandino back next year?
Posted by Mike Florio on January 7, 2018, 7:27 AM EST


With the replay-review function not consistently adhering to the “clear and obvious” evidence standard and with Saturday’s postseason-opening game not featuring the kind of officiating the league’s teams and fans deserve, the NFL has plenty of issues to address regarding one of its most important functions.

And the easiest solution when it comes to the current state of officiating could be to bring back former senior V.P. of officiating Dean Blandino.

There’s already talk in some league circles about a possible Blandino return in 2018. I recently joked with Blandino during a recent appearance on the PFT PM podcast regarding the possibility of returning for the postseason. He initially said he’s happy in his current job at FOX, but when pressed he said that it “depends on what the numbers are, what the finances look like.”

And it quickly became evidence that the numbers and finances had a role in Blandino’s decision to move on.

“I think that there was a sense of, around the league office and some of the people in leadership positions, they didn’t value that position the way it should have been valued, and how important it is,” Blandino said. “During the season, other than the Commissioner, the head of officiating is probably the most public-facing person in the office. And those decisions that are made, I mean, these affect the outcome of games, and that’s your product on the field.

“So I do feel that the position was not valued to where it should have been. And, look, you always like to feel that you provided value, and I would never want someone to fail to make myself look better, but I do believe that they never valued that position where it should have been, and maybe it’s a wake-up call for some people around the league.”

The question is whether they’re sufficiently awake to turn the clock back to where it was before Blandino left. And whether Blandino would be willing (or able) to exit his current job to return to the one that had been crafted specifically for him, especially as it relates to the effort to ensure accuracy and consistency as it relates to where rulings on the field will be overturned by someone who is hundreds if not thousands of miles away.


He wants straight cash homey.


That guy is a straight on criminal. Use a real official like Gerry Austin or an old timer

Better yet, eliminate the New York cabal altogether

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Roger making 60+ million and they probably offer the head of officiating 1 mill.

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better yet, just get rid of instant replay altogether...and have the human element be part of the game again like it was in the'70s....At least griping about bad calls was legit then, given as of now, no one has any idea anymore as to what's a bad call...like yesterday's lack of Mariotta fumble b/c forward profess had bee stopped on a freaking sack....


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I think/thought instant replay had a place in the game to stop egregious calls. However, since we have either reached an inability of terrible refs or the league to effectuate the intent and actual rule of instant replay (i.e. overturn something when there is clear and indisputable evidence the call was wrong and actually using the clear and indisputable evidence standard) or, alternatively, they are using instant replay for game manipulation, than instant replay should just go.


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I don't get it. I see Blandino on TV, it frightens me that this guy had such a high level officiating position.

As full of himself as Perreira comes across, at least the guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about. Blandino keeps stepping on himself.

The more I think about it, the guys that get the officiating jobs have to be some kind of connected lobbyists. Some type of favor hire.


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I think they should get rid of review completely
But they won't ... I think the NFL likes the mechanism to create false drama and keep up their reality TV drift.


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better yet, just get rid of instant replay altogether...and have the human element be part of the game again like it was in the'70s....At least griping about bad calls was legit then, given as of now, no one has any idea anymore as to what's a bad call...like yesterday's lack of Mariotta fumble b/c forward profess had bee stopped on a freaking sack....

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Blandino is a big mouth
But ...
He makes a good point generally. The NFL is a billion dollars business, franchises are worth a billion dollars as are TV contratcs. Players and coaches are paid millions and are fired if they're fail. Commentators tow the party line and are paid handsomely and it is all a big production that pays huge attention to detail. But, the refereeing and rule making are handled rather shabbily and doesn't seem to receive the same attention to detail.

Which leads people to believe it isn't either intentionally done to manipulate game flow and drama
Or the NFL viewing it as not mattering as much


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There needs to be replay because there needs to be a way to reverse egregiously bad calls. i was thinking they should just get rid of all automatic replays. The coaches get so many challenges per game and that's it. Leave it up to the coaches to decide what's important and what's not. And when they're out of challenges, then that's that.


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I don't get it. I see Blandino on TV, it frightens me that this guy had such a high level officiating position.

As full of himself as Perreira comes across, at least the guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about. Blandino keeps stepping on himself.

The more I think about it, the guys that get the officiating jobs have to be some kind of connected lobbyists. Some type of favor hire.

Blandino is the mob. They had to get Rid of him

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can u imagine what Instant Replay would have done to the most famous play in football history? We'd still be sitting in the cold in TRS awaiting the decision from NYC....


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even w/o replay, it's one of the most talked about plays in history even with the human element involved....and that's only b/c replay didn't ruin it so you can take a side and NEVER know which side is correct....


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Poltargyst wrote:
There needs to be replay because there needs to be a way to reverse egregiously bad calls. i was thinking they should just get rid of all automatic replays. The coaches get so many challenges per game and that's it. Leave it up to the coaches to decide what's important and what's not. And when they're out of challenges, then that's that.


I like this. That way the coaches (hopefully) won't spend their replays on frivolous bullshit, and we won't have 50 replays per game.


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Poltargyst wrote:
There needs to be replay because there needs to be a way to reverse egregiously bad calls. i was thinking they should just get rid of all automatic replays. The coaches get so many challenges per game and that's it. Leave it up to the coaches to decide what's important and what's not. And when they're out of challenges, then that's that.


I like this. That way the coaches (hopefully) won't spend their replays on frivolous bullshit, and we won't have 50 replays per game.

I could live with this. I'd live it if they got rid of the auto replay on TDs - as things stand now you can't even cheer when your team scores.

The one change is make is to the way to count challenges. I'd stick with 2 but not count at all if you win - why should a team lose a challenge if they keep getting board on the initial call.

I'd also "unchange" the standard for overturning the call on the field and go back to requiring it to be clear and conspicuous. I'd be fine with limiting the ti.e to decide to one or two.minutes - if you can't tell by then it obviously isn't clear and conspicuous.


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not a bad idea...leave it up to the coaches....[quote][/quote]


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Could NFL bring Blandino back next year?
Posted by Mike Florio on January 7, 2018, 7:27 AM EST


With the replay-review function not consistently adhering to the “clear and obvious” evidence standard and with Saturday’s postseason-opening game not featuring the kind of officiating the league’s teams and fans deserve, the NFL has plenty of issues to address regarding one of its most important functions.

And the easiest solution when it comes to the current state of officiating could be to bring back former senior V.P. of officiating Dean Blandino.

There’s already talk in some league circles about a possible Blandino return in 2018. I recently joked with Blandino during a recent appearance on the PFT PM podcast regarding the possibility of returning for the postseason. He initially said he’s happy in his current job at FOX, but when pressed he said that it “depends on what the numbers are, what the finances look like.”

And it quickly became evidence that the numbers and finances had a role in Blandino’s decision to move on.

“I think that there was a sense of, around the league office and some of the people in leadership positions, they didn’t value that position the way it should have been valued, and how important it is,” Blandino said. “During the season, other than the Commissioner, the head of officiating is probably the most public-facing person in the office. And those decisions that are made, I mean, these affect the outcome of games, and that’s your product on the field.

“So I do feel that the position was not valued to where it should have been. And, look, you always like to feel that you provided value, and I would never want someone to fail to make myself look better, but I do believe that they never valued that position where it should have been, and maybe it’s a wake-up call for some people around the league.”

The question is whether they’re sufficiently awake to turn the clock back to where it was before Blandino left. And whether Blandino would be willing (or able) to exit his current job to return to the one that had been crafted specifically for him, especially as it relates to the effort to ensure accuracy and consistency as it relates to where rulings on the field will be overturned by someone who is hundreds if not thousands of miles away.


He wants straight cash homey.

Just eliminate replay, the officiating with replay is just as inconsistent and bad as without it.


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SteelWill wrote:
can u imagine what Instant Replay would have done to the most famous play in football history? We'd still be sitting in the cold in TRS awaiting the decision from NYC....


No, it would have been forgotten after the overturn and the 7-6 Steelers loss.


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SteelWill wrote:
better yet, just get rid of instant replay altogether...and have the human element be part of the game again like it was in the'70s....At least griping about bad calls was legit then, given as of now, no one has any idea anymore as to what's a bad call...like yesterday's lack of Mariotta fumble b/c forward profess had bee stopped on a freaking sack....


Exactly, there's more griping now and no more "getting it right" than before.


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Jalen Ramsey INT was almost same as Jessie James play, as the ball rolled across the ground as he had the ball between his hands and arms.
I think JJ was more of a catch then JR.....as James had his fingers under the ball.

Bottom line on both of those plays, neither had conclusive evidence to overturn.

and how do they not review that Carolina INT before the last drive.

That was not an INT.
Carolina would have started their last drive at the 47 instead of their own 31.

How does Carolina not ask for a review.
They were lost in the moment.

That is what they should be bitching about and not the intentional grounding

I would also go back to coaches challenge instead of every scoring play or turnover.
And yes, if you win a challenge....you do not lose any of your future challenges.

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Stosh-67 wrote:
Jalen Ramsey INT was almost same as Jessie James play, as the ball rolled across the ground as he had the ball between his hands and arms.
I think JJ was more of a catch then JR.....as James had his fingers under the ball.

Bottom line on both of those plays, neither had conclusive evidence to overturn.


Stosh, it may be the closest play I've seen to the JJ TD catch/no catch play for sure (minus the whole pluck the ball out of the air securely, pull it back to your chest and make a football move by lunging forward motions). The last part of the plays are what was being reviewed/scrutinized and are almost identical, yet a different result in each. Either we got screwed or the Bills did. I think we did.


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Either way it would have been a turnover on downs.

So the point is moot.

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re Jalen Ramsey, I talking to (yelling at...) my son, a Pats fan still home from college: "how was that any different than Jesse James? How? Oh, it wasn't against the Pats..." His response: "Dad, you have Tourette's..."


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COR-TEN wrote:
Either way it would have been a turnover on downs.

So the point is moot.

what play Cor?

The Ramsey pick was 2nd down play.
The James TD catch was a first down play.

Unless you commenting on another play.

Yes, The Carolina pick was a 4th down play.
That was a matter of Carolina getting the ball at their own 31 or at their own 47.
Big difference if they reviewed it and saw it was not an INT and Panthers need to go 53 yards instead of 69 with no time outs.

Still, Panthers had ball at their own 31 with 1:51 and no time outs.
Pretty good opportunity considering game looked over at 31-19 with 5:08 to go.

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COR-TEN wrote:
Either way it would have been a turnover on downs.

So the point is moot.

The play was on 2nd and 20.


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Don't mind me. I've been working the flu with 103-4 degree temps for the last five days. Joint pain, hacking cough, and a headache that won't quit.

I'm not altogether there.

Sorry. I have my plays confused.

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DP39 wrote:
Stosh-67 wrote:
Jalen Ramsey INT was almost same as Jessie James play, as the ball rolled across the ground as he had the ball between his hands and arms.
I think JJ was more of a catch then JR.....as James had his fingers under the ball.

Bottom line on both of those plays, neither had conclusive evidence to overturn.


Stosh, it may be the closest play I've seen to the JJ TD catch/no catch play for sure (minus the whole pluck the ball out of the air securely, pull it back to your chest and make a football move by lunging forward motions). The last part of the plays are what was being reviewed/scrutinized and are almost identical, yet a different result in each. Either we got screwed or the Bills did. I think we did.


The funny thing is - the situation with the Ramsey INT is exactly what the "going to the ground" rule is there to make the determination.

The first section of what determines a catch involves what it takes to become a runner, but though I knew it, it didn't hit me til that interception that they actually wrote in the rule about body parts other than the feet hitting the ground, ie the knee, elbow - whatever. Why do that if there is a "going to the ground" rule that overrules that as they did with the James catch, why not just say for section 1 that two feet down is the only acceptable way in which a player can be considered a runner, and that for anything else - the player is considered "going to the ground". I mean if section one allows a player to become a runner by getting just a knee down - then certainly James satisfied the condition of becoming a runner and thus there was no need to invoke the "survive the ground". In fact I suggest that if the Patriot player dove and knocked the ball out of James hand as he extended it past the goal line - it would then be ruled a TD.

The problem is James catch is a catch as the rule is written - the NFL just chose to ignore it - and not only that - overturned it with a guess. The problem is the people who they've had running the replay booth are idiots are not very smart people - at least not smart enough to read.


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Stosh-67 wrote:
COR-TEN wrote:
Either way it would have been a turnover on downs.

So the point is moot.

what play Cor?

Yes, The Carolina pick was a 4th down play.
That was a matter of Carolina getting the ball at their own 31 or at their own 47.
Big difference if they reviewed it and saw it was not an INT and Panthers need to go 53 yards instead of 69 with no time outs.

Still, Panthers had ball at their own 31 with 1:51 and no time outs.
Pretty good opportunity considering game looked over at 31-19 with 5:08 to go.


I saw the play the exact same way. No way Adams made that INT by todays rules of what a catch is.

Should have been automatically reviewed under 2:00 minutes to go, I thought. Did they ever take a second look? Sure didn't seem like it.


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ToddHaleysNineIron wrote:
In fact I suggest that if the Patriot player dove and knocked the ball out of James hand as he extended it past the goal line - it would then be ruled a TD.

If they were going to be consistent, they would have to call that an incomplete pass. At that point, the only way it could be complete is for JJ to finish his fall but not let the ball move as he hit the ground.


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Seems to me college refs are a whole lot better than NFL


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DP39 wrote:
Stosh-67 wrote:
Jalen Ramsey INT was almost same as Jessie James play, as the ball rolled across the ground as he had the ball between his hands and arms.
I think JJ was more of a catch then JR.....as James had his fingers under the ball.

Bottom line on both of those plays, neither had conclusive evidence to overturn.


Stosh, it may be the closest play I've seen to the JJ TD catch/no catch play for sure (minus the whole pluck the ball out of the air securely, pull it back to your chest and make a football move by lunging forward motions). The last part of the plays are what was being reviewed/scrutinized and are almost identical, yet a different result in each. Either we got screwed or the Bills did. I think we did.



Honestly, I'm not quite seeing it that way. First replay I saw on the JJ play, I knew we were getting fucked...just HOPING moreso than anything else, that it wasn't going to happen, that the NFL wasn't going to rob us of our joy and spontaneity. I think I was more pissed that I had already celebrated, already screamed "We Beat the Patriots,"....only to know, upon the first replay view, that it wasn't going to stand up.

The Ramsey play, I knew it was NOT going to be reversed. Why??

There was simply more movement of the ball on the JJ catch, and a greater presumption that he had lost control. Argue the reverse all you want. It's the way I saw it, and seemingly the way The Fat Fuck Al Riveron, saw it as well.


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can u imagine what Instant Replay would have done to the most famous play in football history? We'd still be sitting in the cold in TRS awaiting the decision from NYC....


Instant replay was actually used in this game according to this article, it just wasn't called that.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/sp ... 12.23.html


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Poltargyst wrote:
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In fact I suggest that if the Patriot player dove and knocked the ball out of James hand as he extended it past the goal line - it would then be ruled a TD.

If they were going to be consistent, they would have to call that an incomplete pass. At that point, the only way it could be complete is for JJ to finish his fall but not let the ball move as he hit the ground.


But given the rules as written, there would be no basis for calling it incomplete because James fulfilled everything needed in section 1 of what it takes to show possession of a catch. A knee touched, he tucked the ball, and made an upfield move and at that point had crossed the goal line before the ball was knocked away.


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