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 Post subject: Per Ben. He is not allowed to check to QB sneak. WTF?
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Big Ben says he’s not allowed to check to a fourth-and-1 quarterback sneak

In Sunday’s loss to the Jaguars, the Steelers twice got stopped on fourth-and-1. On both plays, there appeared to be room in the middle of the line for Ben Roethlisberger to run a quarterback sneak for a yard. So why didn’t he?

Roethlisberger says he isn’t allowed to check out of the play that offensive coordinator Todd Haley calls and go to a quarterback sneak instead, even if he can see by the way the defense lines up that he’ll get the first down.

On his radio show this morning, Roethlisberger said it’s head coach Mike Tomlin’s call not to give him the freedom to audible at the line of scrimmage to a quarterback sneak.

“I have asked for it. I am fine with it. If they want to call it, I’m all for it,” Roethlisberger said, via Aditi Kinkhabwala of NFL Network.

After the loss to the Jaguars, Tomlin defended the decision not to run the quarterback sneak, saying the Jaguars are good at stopping it and that Tomlin was comfortable with the plays called. But to have a veteran franchise quarterback like Roethlisberger and not even give him the authority to call a quarterback sneak is odd. The Steelers might have won that game if they’d picked up those two fourth down conversions. Roethlisberger should have had the authority to make the best call

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 Post subject: Re: Hall of Fame QB not allowed to check to QB sneek. WTF?
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 Post subject: Re: Hall of Fame QB not allowed to check to QB sneek. WTF?
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Wow...the shit just keeps getting deeper and deeper...

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 Post subject: Re: Hall of Fame QB not allowed to check to QB sneek. WTF?
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Wow...the shit just keeps getting deeper and deeper...


I know it's fun to suppose that Tomlin is submental, but something like this...I wonder it does not come from Arty Deuce...bc I assume Tomlin, despite whatever shortcomings, actually wants to win games.

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 Post subject: Re: Per Ben. He is not allowed to check to QB sneak. WTF?
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the disappearance of the sneak has been a great mystery for a few years now.

however we got here, winning games has obviously taken a back seat to "something" else.

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 Post subject: Re: Per Ben. He is not allowed to check to QB sneak. WTF?
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Here’s my deal...even if you don’t want to sneak, how dumb do you have to be to choose a toss sweep play against a fast defense instead?

And also...FUCKING GET RID OF THE “try and draw them offside” bullshit. It NEVER works, and you look stupid when you do it.

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FYI

Decastro said the same. Said that both calls came from the sideline and were not audibles by Ben.


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Here’s my deal...even if you don’t want to sneak, how dumb do you have to be to choose a toss sweep play against a fast defense instead?

And also...FUCKING GET RID OF THE “try and draw them offside” bullshit. It NEVER works, and you look stupid when you do it.


But Jeemie, those failed pitch sweeps set up that winning shovel pass. Rope-a-dope! Haley is brilliant!

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 Post subject: Re: Per Ben. He is not allowed to check to QB sneak. WTF?
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Here’s my deal...even if you don’t want to sneak, how dumb do you have to be to choose a toss sweep play against a fast defense instead?

And also...FUCKING GET RID OF THE “try and draw them offside” bullshit. It NEVER works, and you look stupid when you do it.


Or why not bring the FB in and go straight up the middle with Bell, or whoever the RB is. If James Conner was healthy, I'd just hammer his big ass straight ahead behind #45.


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 Post subject: Re: Per Ben. He is not allowed to check to QB sneak. WTF?
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If you don’t have the confidence that Pouncey, DeCastro and possibly Nix can get some push to allow Bell the space to get 12 inches of blades of grass....well, you truly are living in your fears and shoukdn’t be the HC of one of the best teams in the league.

What a fucking joke

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 Post subject: Re: Per Ben. He is not allowed to check to QB sneak. WTF?
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Jesus, Ben. The only one that makes more than you is the owner. Just fucking sneak it.

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Jesus, Ben. The only one that makes more than you is the owner. Just fucking sneak it.


Mutiny!

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 Post subject: Re: Per Ben. He is not allowed to check to QB sneak. WTF?
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I can't believe that they don't have a fucking audible for this. Bet Ben said that they don't...Thanks Re-Todd.


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 Post subject: Re: Per Ben. He is not allowed to check to QB sneak. WTF?
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Jeemie wrote:
Here’s my deal...even if you don’t want to sneak, how dumb do you have to be to choose a toss sweep play against a fast defense instead?

And also...FUCKING GET RID OF THE “try and draw them offside” bullshit. It NEVER works, and you look stupid when you do it.


OMG, yes!!!! Please stop with this bullshit!


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86n96 wrote:
Jesus, Ben. The only one that makes more than you is the owner. Just fucking sneak it.


Careful what you type. I made this plea here a few times Sunday and was told how that couldn’t possibly happen.


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 Post subject: Re: Per Ben. He is not allowed to check to QB sneak. WTF?
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Here are your options:

1. Give it to Bell up the middle
2. QB sneak
3. Fullback trap (this used to be a Steelers staple)
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4. Play-action
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5. Anything else

Only this cuckold fuck could overthink things with two All-Pro interior linemen, a HOF talent RB, and a 275 lb. QB that can move his feet.

They could also try snapping the ball with >10 left on the play clock.


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 Post subject: Re: Per Ben. He is not allowed to check to QB sneak. WTF?
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I can recall them failing running behind the fullback, and handing off to the fullback. Maybe I'm just remembering the bad here. Certainly not defending the toss play, but Christ you'd think Bell could get one foot there.


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Someone just posted a vid link in another thread of haley calling the same bullshit on 4th and one with the chiefs in a playoff game. Toss sweep to the short side of the field.

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when you need inches, tap the center on the ass and push it 12 inches behind the ass of your All-Pro center and guard. done. Its a joke this is an issue. I don't believe Ben, I don't believe Tomlin, but if I was the fucking owner, I'd be Jerry Jones'ing there asses and demanding qb sneaks on anything 12 inches or less.

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Someone just posted a vid link in another thread of haley calling the same bullshit on 4th and one with the chiefs in a playoff game. Toss sweep to the short side of the field.


Yeah, that's a fire-able offense.

4th and a foot. You give it the all-world RB behind an all-pro OL (if for some reason you don't sneak it).

Running the toss sweep is either setting the all-pros up to fail because you're trying to be cute scheming an easy first down (it's fucking 12 inches!!!!!).....or it's stupidly greedy thinking it's so unexpected that you're getting a big splash play out of it.

As others have said, that call is just REALLY BAD situational football IQ. It's not knowing when to get out of the way, that sometimes you just have to line-up and beat the other guy because you want it more. 4th and 10, yeah show me something Todd. 4th and a foot, let the players play.

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What is the motive of Art II forcing the staff to abandon the QB sneak. That's some 9-11 conspiracy stuff there.

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Big Ben says he’s not allowed to check to a fourth-and-1 quarterback sneak

In Sunday’s loss to the Jaguars, the Steelers twice got stopped on fourth-and-1. On both plays, there appeared to be room in the middle of the line for Ben Roethlisberger to run a quarterback sneak for a yard. So why didn’t he?

Roethlisberger says he isn’t allowed to check out of the play that offensive coordinator Todd Haley calls and go to a quarterback sneak instead, even if he can see by the way the defense lines up that he’ll get the first down.

On his radio show this morning, Roethlisberger said it’s head coach Mike Tomlin’s call not to give him the freedom to audible at the line of scrimmage to a quarterback sneak.

“I have asked for it. I am fine with it. If they want to call it, I’m all for it,” Roethlisberger said, via Aditi Kinkhabwala of NFL Network.

After the loss to the Jaguars, Tomlin defended the decision not to run the quarterback sneak, saying the Jaguars are good at stopping it and that Tomlin was comfortable with the plays called. But to have a veteran franchise quarterback like Roethlisberger and not even give him the authority to call a quarterback sneak is odd. The Steelers might have won that game if they’d picked up those two fourth down conversions. Roethlisberger should have had the authority to make the best call


BECAUSE TOMLIN

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Ben just said it was Tomlin's decision. If Tomlin is parroting EMR, then that's worse than it being Tomlin's decision.

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Ben just said it was Tomlin's decision. If Tomlin is parroting EMR, then that's worse than it being Tomlin's decision.


Tomlin's decision not to let him audible.

Art's decision not to let him do it.

So many badasses on this board who would apparently disregard their boss' orders and tell them to get fucked apparently.

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