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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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—a man so dumb he’s unable to even register pain—


Completely uncalled for....but it made me laugh hysterically for a good 5-10 seconds.

Yep :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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Jobus Rum wrote:
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—a man so dumb he’s unable to even register pain—


Completely uncalled for....but it made me laugh hysterically for a good 5-10 seconds.

Yep :lol:


It's Ben's superpower :lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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IMO Tomlin is close to being a great coach, he has many elite coaching traits, but he won't get there without proper guidance from someone. Some firm guidance at times. He should be working for Colbert instead of them being peers, because he appears to get no guidance or coaching from anyone, the outcome of which is a level of stubborness that is counter productive.

Like having a rule to not sneak the QB. Or running the wheels off of a RB. Or failing to make adjustments to his gut based in game coaching. Or to B2B's point to keep running Burns out there despite his mistakes. (I guess the other option is that he's a puppet, a veritable potted plant, but that seems unlikely)

Unfortunately I don't expect that he'll learn some of these lessons until his 2nd job, where I fully expect him to put together an epic run somewhere else, for a team run by a Tom Coughlin like GM.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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ChippedHamSandwich wrote:
Good take from the Vikings fan Drew Magary on the Dick Joke Jamboroo:

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I like Mike Tomlin but really, is there any coach in football who stubbornly sticks to his guns as much as this man does when he makes a glaring coaching fuck-up? The Steelers butchered the clock in that Jaguars game and had two fourth-and-short calls that merited imprisonment, and Tomlin was STILL like, “We wouldn’t have done ANYTHING differently.” I am endlessly amused by the Steelers committing to being utterly passive as a way of sticking it to the haterz. “Oh, you want us to change how we do business? Well guess what, Yinzers: next time we’re gonna have even WORSE play calls on fourth down! See how you like THAT!” They didn’t even go outside the organization to replace Todd Haley. They hired your dad instead.

I also did NOT know about Pittsburgh’s policy against running QB sneaks. That is astonishing. Imagine having the tallest, fattest QB in the world—a man so dumb he’s unable to even register pain—and not using him to sneak the ball in short yardage situations. It’s lunacy. Tomlin should be fined real money.


People outside of Pittsburgh get it.

They understand Tomlin is a mental midget.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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First off, please quit quoting Tomlin in these press conferences as if it is the absolute and clear truth. He's a CEO. He doesn't spout any direct truths.

Secondly, I'm not really sure what happened with the defense-- maybe they practice great and just had a string of mental errors in game? Maybe the margin of error is very fine for this D and they didn't meet the threshold by a small margin? Maybe guys were more hurt than they let on? To me, the move on offense sounds like what they should have done last year and I sure hope it doesn't take until after next season's disappointment to make the drastic changes if that's what it takes.

What I do know: Tomlin undeniably now has his guys as coordinators on both sides of the football. These three are tight since Arkansas State. There's a chance they would have been his choices as coordinators from the very beginning, if he'd had the necessary cachet.

If gameplans don't mesh with his vision, there's no excuses now, implied or otherwise. If ownership puts any restrictions on him, then they'll be culpable for us not finding out whether he's the guy long-term or not.

My feeling is: a few good moves in the offseason and lots of good bonhomie and good energy between coaches and Ben = positive results. I am hoping we will find out that the James Harrisons and Todd Haleys were causing a lot of disruption and problems for this team and that eradicating them from the building will show up on the field.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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I think the orders to protect Ben on QB sneaks came from above Tomlin. It's too weird not to have.

I also think MT's in-game decisions are almost always at or near according to the book. I wish he would be a lot more bold with this team but what do I know.

I think his biggest fault is that he's a company man, he swallowed that Haley hiring, tried to make it work, and gave his coordinators way too much slack.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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I'll be curious to see if suddenly next year we start running QB sneaks. If so, then I guess Haley was the culprit. If not, then it's Ben or Tomlin or someone higher.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
I think the orders to protect Ben on QB sneaks came from above Tomlin. It's too weird not to have.

I also think MT's in-game decisions are almost always at or near according to the book. I wish he would be a lot more bold with this team but what do I know.

I think his biggest fault is that he's a company man, he swallowed that Haley hiring, tried to make it work, and gave his coordinators way too much slack.


This is logical.

FWIW I've been complaining about the lack of sneaks for years. I'm guessing we win 5-6 more games over the past few years, including last sunday, if we would have snuck the big fella. It's really, really f'ing bizarre - like telling LeBron not to dunk

Anyone ever remember a QB getting hurt on a sneak?

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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Lifelongsteel wrote:
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I think the orders to protect Ben on QB sneaks came from above Tomlin. It's too weird not to have.

I also think MT's in-game decisions are almost always at or near according to the book. I wish he would be a lot more bold with this team but what do I know.

I think his biggest fault is that he's a company man, he swallowed that Haley hiring, tried to make it work, and gave his coordinators way too much slack.


This is logical.

FWIW I've been complaining about the lack of sneaks for years. I'm guessing we win 5-6 more games over the past few years, including last sunday, if we would have snuck the big fella. It's really, really f'ing bizarre - like telling LeBron not to dunk

Anyone ever remember a QB getting hurt on a sneak?

Ben, and that's the problem.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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Bingo Lifelong. Thinking that before I even read your post.

I implore someone to find me a case of a QB getting seriously injured during a QB sneak to pick up a yard.

Pretty damn silly thing for tomlin to live in fear about.


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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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Ben got hurt scoring a TD on a QB sneak. That's where this all comes from, I think.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Ben got hurt scoring a TD on a QB sneak. That's where this all comes from, I think.


You mean a “drive my head up the ass of the center” sneak, or a “3rd and fucking 6” run as Swiss describes it?


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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Ben-went-down-Byron-stepped-up/0097621a-e507-42c2-8e08-64022c5218ff

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Just before the half Ben Roethlisbergergot the Steelers offense clicking completing a nine-yard pass to Santonio Holmes had a 14-yarder to Hines Ward. Roethlisberger punched it into the end zone for the game’s first touchdown on a one-yard quarterback sneak, but it came at a price. Roethlisberger injured his right shoulder on the play, and was replaced in the second half by Byron Leftwich.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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I’m not saying that’s bullshit, and it in fact may be true, but if that’s Rooney or Tomlin or anyone else’s justification as to why we don’t sneak from a yard anymore, well then fuck everything. Cause that is stupidity the likes of which I’ve never seen or heard of.


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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Ben-went-down-Byron-stepped-up/0097621a-e507-42c2-8e08-64022c5218ff

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Just before the half Ben Roethlisbergergot the Steelers offense clicking completing a nine-yard pass to Santonio Holmes had a 14-yarder to Hines Ward. Roethlisberger punched it into the end zone for the game’s first touchdown on a one-yard quarterback sneak, but it came at a price. Roethlisberger injured his right shoulder on the play, and was replaced in the second half by Byron Leftwich.

Interesting.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Ben-went-down-Byron-stepped-up/0097621a-e507-42c2-8e08-64022c5218ff

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Just before the half Ben Roethlisbergergot the Steelers offense clicking completing a nine-yard pass to Santonio Holmes had a 14-yarder to Hines Ward. Roethlisberger punched it into the end zone for the game’s first touchdown on a one-yard quarterback sneak, but it came at a price. Roethlisberger injured his right shoulder on the play, and was replaced in the second half by Byron Leftwich.


I've cited this game/circumstance....REPEATEDLY, in repeated OPs.

And there's this.....

http://www.steelers.com/news/labriola-o ... 23bc72a5b4


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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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I've cited this game/circumstance....REPEATEDLY, in repeated OPs.

And there's this.....

http://www.steelers.com/news/labriola-o ... 23bc72a5b4



Tomlin is never going to say "Ben doesn't want to run the sneak". Whether it's Ben or EMR, Tomlin is going to give you a bullshit justification...that no other coach believes and one Tomlin himself apparently didn't believe prior to 2014.

Ben talked about this on the radio the other day. He was very convincing and went into detail - curiously great detail - about why he can't just go lone wolf and run it. Problem is, he said after BAL last year that if AB was short he was going to run up and sneak it. I also believe years ago he goosed Pouncey and decided to sneak it on one of those "draw them offsides" plays.

So Ben has made some contradictory statements on the subject, and I don't think anyone really believes he doesn't run a QB sneak if he really wants to.

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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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B2B i guess someone hijacked your computer earlier because the Tomlin apologist is back again. :D

I guess we re back to the potted plant theory. Tomlin has no control, over anything and all he does is say yes sir, right away sir. Seriously, im with Swiss now, we wont win jack shit with Tomlin unless our stars totally ball out, and they take Tomlin along for the ride, this guy is all talk and zero action, beyond a joke that he has a defensive background and his defense sucks balls, he makes changes and adjustments to his teams at a glacier like pace,..its a shame too, listening to him, im all on board, but when you see the shit he pulls on gamedays, its just beyond mind boggling and stupid.

That last interview that Swiss posted with Tomlin and about sneaks is so telling and downright stupid, it is 100% on MT that we dont run the QB sneak, what a buffoon and joke of a HC.


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So there is nobody in the organization that sees the value, and very low risk, of running a sneak? I mean, shall I get back on my crazy pills?


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 Post subject: Re: The Best Case For Heat On Tomlin
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GreekSteel wrote:
That last interview that Swiss posted with Tomlin and about sneaks is so telling and downright stupid, it is 100% on MT that we dont run the QB sneak, what a buffoon and joke of a HC.


I suppose if my coaching success relied so heavily on #7, then I'd keep him in bubble wrap, too.

I think, at best, that was a group decision. I don't think even Tomlin is that stubborn and stupid to reach that conclusion unilaterally. And you've got Haley saying basically the same thing. TWO historically dumb coaches - on the same team - coming to a conclusion no one else in football ever has? I might buy that if they didn't start believing this only just a few years ago....

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Kodiak wrote:
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That last interview that Swiss posted with Tomlin and about sneaks is so telling and downright stupid, it is 100% on MT that we dont run the QB sneak, what a buffoon and joke of a HC.


I suppose if my coaching success relied so heavily on #7, then I'd keep him in bubble wrap, too.

I think, at best, that was a group decision. I don't think even Tomlin is that stubborn and stupid to reach that conclusion unilaterally. And you've got Haley saying basically the same thing. TWO historically dumb coaches - on the same team - coming to a conclusion no one else in football ever has? I might buy that if they didn't start believing this only just a few years ago....




The Deuce Tomlin and Haley, and they probably convinced Ben its in his best interest not to run the QB sneak either, hopefully Fitchner can somehow get in the ear of Tomlin and get that stupid edict erased and changed. I doubt it tho, sounds like Tomlin is a full blown believer of that nonsense.


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Let just ask: How much of what Tomlin says at a PC do you believe is 100% unfettered truth?

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GreekSteel wrote:
The Deuce Tomlin and Haley, and they probably convinced Ben its in his best interest not to run the QB sneak either, hopefully Fitchner can somehow get in the ear of Tomlin and get that stupid edict erased and changed. I doubt it tho, sounds like Tomlin is a full blown believer of that nonsense.


I think it's the other way around. It's nearly impossible to rationalize an NFL coach reaching that conclusion, much less 2.

And like I said, there are at least two instances where Ben could have, or did, run the sneak unilaterally. Which makes his overly detailed explanation of why he can't all the more suspicious.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Let just ask: How much of what Tomlin says at a PC do you believe is 100% unfettered truth?


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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Let just ask: How much of what Tomlin says at a PC do you believe is 100% unfettered truth?


Going to be hilarious when Ben runs a sneak next year and people try to explain how dumbass Haley convinced Tomlin and Ben to take it out of the playbook.

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