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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:11 pm 
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Still Lit wrote:
Off season forum prediction.

I put the under at 16 for how many consecutive posts any given thread will make it before a poster criticizes Tomlin.


Sigs don't count, right?

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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:17 pm 
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Put me in the Darren Parry camp. I would at least like to see him brought in for an interview.

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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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i dont know how much can change when the head defensive guru is still there. This is his baby, his mess. Rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.

It wasn't the scheme or playcalling or top-level choices as much as jimmie & joes + fundamentals and player development.

The HC is involved in all of that, but position coaches have a big impact in those areas.



B2B, a huge aspect of being a good head coach are the coaching hires you make. He absolutely sucks at that.

Steelers are VERY clear about this, since Cowher: the ORGANIZATION makes coaching hires. That includes the HC but he does not have unilateral hiring and firing authority. The Rooneys felt that was the biggest mistake of the Cowher tenure... giving him too much authority.[/quote]



That was/is wrong...cowher was still better at it, and no doubt has a say, a rather large one id say


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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:37 pm 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
Off season forum prediction.

I put the under at 16 for how many consecutive posts any given thread will make it before a poster criticizes Tomlin.

I'll take the under


Ha ha.

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Still Lit wrote:
Off season forum prediction.

I put the under at 16 for how many consecutive posts any given thread will make it before a poster criticizes Tomlin.


Sigs don't count, right?


Sigs don't count. You want the under or over?

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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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jebrick wrote:
Put me in the Darren Parry camp. I would at least like to see him brought in for an interview.


What about a Ray Horton redux?

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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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I am going to post something yinz will laugh at

I would try to hire

Dom Capers and Dick LeBeau as Co defensive back coaches

I'd go for that but dump Porter & give LeBeau the linebackers.


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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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Yet another fall guy for Tomlin's head coaching inadequacies...


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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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Yet another fall guy for Tomlin's head coaching inadequacies...


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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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GreekSteel wrote:
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Steelers are VERY clear about this, since Cowher: the ORGANIZATION makes coaching hires. That includes the HC but he does not have unilateral hiring and firing authority. The Rooneys felt that was the biggest mistake of the Cowher tenure... giving him too much authority.




That was/is wrong...cowher was still better at it, and no doubt has a say, a rather large one id say


Cowher brought in most if not all of his coaches. My bet is Noll did the same.

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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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jebrick wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:
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Steelers are VERY clear about this, since Cowher: the ORGANIZATION makes coaching hires. That includes the HC but he does not have unilateral hiring and firing authority. The Rooneys felt that was the biggest mistake of the Cowher tenure... giving him too much authority.




That was/is wrong...cowher was still better at it, and no doubt has a say, a rather large one id say


Cowher brought in most if not all of his coaches. My bet is Noll did the same.



Ya b2b says since Cowher. Again Tomlin is a fn potted plant. Cant do anything for himself or the team without direct permission from EMR


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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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Fuck Lake and his mother.

Up both asses.

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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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KC wrote:
Fuck Lake and his mother.

Up both asses.


What are the chances that both of us would have the exact same sexual fantasy?!

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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
Off season forum prediction.

I put the under at 16 for how many consecutive posts any given thread will make it before a poster criticizes Tomlin.

I'll take the under


Under.


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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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Still Lit wrote:
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Fuck Lake and his mother.

Up both asses.


What are the chances that both of us would have the exact same sexual fantasy?!


Spat out some very nice IPA because of this post, Lit. Dilly dilly.


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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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Ice wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
KC wrote:
Fuck Lake and his mother.

Up both asses.


What are the chances that both of us would have the exact same sexual fantasy?!


Spat out some very nice IPA because of this post, Lit. Dilly dilly.

Same here...except sub coffee for the IPA... :lol:
Ditto the dilly dilly.

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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:23 pm 
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BarryFoster wrote:
I have no idea if this is a good or bad thing

Variables:

Tomlin
Secondary performance
Talent level
Tomlin
Ping Pong

Agree - this won’t bring a lot of change to coverage scheme


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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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BarryFoster wrote:
Lynch wrote:
Yet another fall guy for Tomlin's head coaching inadequacies...


Like death and taxes

I appreciate your consistency


Yessir, you can count on me.


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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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Lynch wrote:
BarryFoster wrote:
Lynch wrote:
Yet another fall guy for Tomlin's head coaching inadequacies...


Like death and taxes

I appreciate your consistency


Yessir, you can count on me.

For weeks posters were angry that no coaching changes were made to the defensive side of the ball, some of them specifically citing Lake. So Lake is gone, and your opinion is that he's a fall guy for Tomlin rather than this being a necessary move. Uh huh.


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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:45 pm 
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franco32 wrote:
I made an argument a few weeks ago that perhaps we draft dumb players. Is it really all Lake's fault?

How come Lake was able to get Haden to learn the defense so quickly? How come Mike Hilton excelled as a first year player and made very few mental errors?

Coaches can't do everything. They certainly can't shed blocks or tackle for you and that was a big problem this year. I'm not so sure the busted coverages were Lake's fault or just the players being dumb.

I think Philly is a well coached team. We all agree on that after Sunday. Yet, their secondary was completely lost during the SB. Pats receivers were running free like gazelles in the wild. The Eagles actually were WORSE than even last year's Steelers during the AFC Championship game were our secondary was breaking down left and right.

Franco this was spot on he really also had some very bad players that was drafted for him that even when those players left were still garbage

At the end of the day, players have to understand scheme, study film, and know their role in the defense (ie. when to switch off and when not to).


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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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Tomlin was talked about being a defensive guru and also a big Secondary guy and he done nothing here.
Tomlin took control of the defense and even put his hand in the secondary.


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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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Good. I want to see more shakeup on the defensive side of the coaching. John Mitchell. Don't give me that bullshit that he is a great coach. I remember a story where Cam Heyward went to Tomlin to get his blessing to spend time in the offseason learning how to be a better pass rusher at a former NFL players camp, and wondered to myself, why does he have to do that? Why can't Mitchell teach his players everything they need to know?

I look at the emergence of Cam as a pass rusher this season and can't really see Mitchell getting any credit for it. Cam was hungry for knowledge and skill, of techniques and he had to look elsewhere to get that knowledge, and look, once he got that coaching, he produced a 12 sack season. That is pretty damning to me. Mitchell needs to go, too mired in the 3-4, we need a defensive line coach that can teach our players how to pass rush and not just be two gap defensive linemen.

I don't want to see any more former players hired. They all have expertise in a 3-4 and we need to get away from that defense. They need to start bringing in more 4-3 guys. We need a defensive back coach that knows how to teach players man to man coverages yes, but we need our players to get more fundamentally sound from a tackling standpoint too. I would love to see us hire an old veteran defensive backs coach, we need to hire a Richard Mann type for the secondary.

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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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You still have to wonder how much of the defensive turmoil was Shazier’s injury. The defense was humming along then Haden got hurt, then some bumps caused by trust issues and people trying to do too much to make up for Haden. Then we seemed to smooth out the issues and were able to maintain, but not flourish. Then Shazier gets hurt and we run into personnel issues and then more trust issues...people trying to do too much. Defensive line not complementing the secondary, the LBs making the secondary feel like run protection might take more energy than pre-Shazier’s injury.

I don’t think the defense ever recovered, and the secondary was not able to get back to the level of pre-Haden’s injury. Not an excuse, but Shazier’s hole, and Haden’s injury might have imploded the Defense more than we know. This is why you have proceed with caution when making coaching changed and personnel changes.

And BTW, had the Eagles played under the officiating umbrella we did during the home NE game, they lose. They really have Jesse James to thank for allowing them to win...the irony! Al Riveron got a dressing down for sure and it impacted the Super Bowl by 14 points. Just listen to the calls Collinsowrth got wrong as an indicator. So all these posters that want to give blow jobs to Eagles coaches think twice.


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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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Good. I want to see more shakeup on the defensive side of the coaching. John Mitchell. Don't give me that bullshit that he is a great coach. I remember a story where Cam Heyward went to Tomlin to get his blessing to spend time in the offseason learning how to be a better pass rusher at a former NFL players camp, and wondered to myself, why does he have to do that? Why can't Mitchell teach his players everything they need to know?

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Your absolutely right, the fact that Mitchell isn't the dadburned oracle is a real letdown. Fucker should be the end all be all of every discipline of defensive football.


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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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You know...it is quite possible that Lake was not fired or forced out, but actually did retire all on his own to spend time with his son and family. Not that I’m sad to see him go...

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 Post subject: Re: Here Cometh The Defensive Coaching Changes: Lake Out
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Fuck..., already 8 pages. Don't you guys have lives? :P

My Candidate for the new DB coach. Been out on the market for 9 days and hasn't signed anywhere I'm aware of: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 109923426/


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