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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:25 pm 
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Yeah Ben's diet hindered his play this season. He was total garbage and was lucky the team won in spite of him.


I do wish that Ben would do more than kayak in the offseason in terms of getting his body ready for the season, however. Especially now that he's getting older.

And you think that's all he does because.... ?
You don't think he has a diet to get his body ready because...?

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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Yeah Ben's diet hindered his play this season. He was total garbage and was lucky the team won in spite of him.


I do wish that Ben would do more than kayak in the offseason in terms of getting his body ready for the season, however. Especially now that he's getting older.

And you think that's all he does because.... ?
You don't think he has a diet to get his body ready because...?


It go back to him saying he kayaks for off season training.

Does he do other stuff? Prolly. Why does he always roll in to camp a chubby bastard, though?

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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Gotta admit, I love to hear he's planning on playing beyond 2019, but a little disappointed in how obvious this was more about Haley than anything else.

Last year he's talking about how he's worried about CTE, how he and his wife will have conversations going forward about his future, how he's going to evaluate it year to year, he's wanting to make sure he's able to have a life with his family beyond football, and after this year Haley hasn't even gotten to the airport yet and he's all, "Nah guys, I'm good for three more years at least." Just really makes his comments he made last offseason come off as completely disingenuous.
Not for me. It is possible that last year Tomlin, or Rooney, or both wanted to retain Haley, or at least didn't make their dissatisfaction/ possibility of not renewing his contract known. Therefore, BR was commenting on the current state of affairs. Maybe he was simply looking for excuses to tell the press instead of creating more perceived controversy within the organization. Maybe this year he was promised Haley would be jettisoned at the end of season 2017, thus the quick response.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:43 pm 
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Still Lit wrote:
Exactly. Do some cardio, shed some fat. Be more nimble.

On the other hand, watching fat Ben lumber is one of the great joys of watching his late career. Always good for a chuckle.


He looked pretty good on a few of those late season scrambles (as opposed to the fat, crippled water buffalo he looked like early in the year).

Cardio is what non-athletes do to stay in shape. Ben needs to work with a sprint and footwork coach. One of his best seasons a few years ago I think he worked with a QB specialist for about 3 weeks in the offseason.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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In August it would be nice not to see Ben's second chin on the roster in order to clear up some cap space.

Sonny Jergenson off seasons do not work in the modern NFL.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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Ben has nearly put the finishing touches on his Milledgeville diet. Soon, he'll be coming to camp in the best shape of his life each new year.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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If only he could have the lean muscle mass of Brady Quinn.

He had 5 TDs against the best defense in the league (close to 6 but one was a lateral to Bell). Of all the things to bitch about this off season, Ben's body fat is at the bottom of the list.

We should be focused on that dumpster fire of a defense or we are going nowhere.


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If only he could have the lean muscle mass of Brady Quinn.

He had 5 TDs against the best defense in the league (close to 6 but one was a lateral to Bell). Of all the things to bitch about this off season, Ben's body fat is at the bottom of the list.

We should be focused on that dumpster fire of a defense or we are going nowhere.
BR would have a double chin if he were anorexic.

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15 lbs of body fat could make the split second difference between an escape/completion and an ACL at this point in his career.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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be nice if ben took fitness a little bit more serious..
instead of resembling jared lorenzen...
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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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Regardless of where you stand on the subject, it's inarguable that as he gets older his fitness and conditioning becomes more and more important. At least, if he plans to stay healthy and keep playing at an elite level.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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TB wrote:
Regardless of where you stand on the subject, it's inarguable that as he gets older his fitness and conditioning becomes more and more important. At least, if he plans to stay healthy and keep playing at an elite level.


I think a more accurate way to put this, would be to state that as he gets older, it will take more attention to diet and exercise for Ben to maintain his normal level of fitness. He's been a pretty durable doughboy thus far, and really, that's all he needs to be.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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Lynch wrote:
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Regardless of where you stand on the subject, it's inarguable that as he gets older his fitness and conditioning becomes more and more important. At least, if he plans to stay healthy and keep playing at an elite level.


I think a more accurate way to put this, would be to state that as he gets older, it will take more attention to diet and exercise for Ben to maintain his normal level of fitness. He's been a pretty durable doughboy thus far, and really, that's all he needs to be.


So Ben should do what Tomlin does and just get by on talent alone. I see.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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I get it. We want Ben to star in a Beach Body workout video. It isn't happening.

What we do know is that BR was the best QB in football over the 2nd half of the season and bailed that abortion of a defense out on numerous occasions. The Pittsburgh Steelers energies right now should be totally focused on fixing the D by any means necessary.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:16 am 
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Still Lit wrote:
fortythree wrote:
Yeah Ben's diet hindered his play this season. He was total garbage and was lucky the team won in spite of him.


I do wish that Ben would do more than kayak in the offseason in terms of getting his body ready for the season, however. Especially now that he's getting older.

And you think that's all he does because.... ?
You don't think he has a diet to get his body ready because...?


He definitely golfs at least 4 days a week. Probably get's a lot of good walking in on those days.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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franco32 wrote:
I get it. We want Ben to star in a Beach Body workout video. It isn't happening.

What we do know is that BR was the best QB in football over the 2nd half of the season and bailed that abortion of a defense out on numerous occasions. The Pittsburgh Steelers energies right now should be totally focused on fixing the D by any means necessary.


Actually you seem not to get it.

Do you know what presenting an opponent's position in the most extreme, caricatured way possible is called?

It's an informal fallacy, by the way. Appeal to the extreme.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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you fat fuckers should talk about being in shape. I am sure 95% of ya are packing it on, especially after 35

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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COR-TEN wrote:
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If only he could have the lean muscle mass of Brady Quinn.

He had 5 TDs against the best defense in the league (close to 6 but one was a lateral to Bell). Of all the things to bitch about this off season, Ben's body fat is at the bottom of the list.

We should be focused on that dumpster fire of a defense or we are going nowhere.
BR would have a double chin if he were anorexic.


You guys act like Ben had a sqare-lantern jaw when he was drafted and has morphed into Jabba the hutt.

Ben on draft day
https://tinyurl.com/ycv85cor
Ben at camp 2017.
https://tinyurl.com/y9rdp6qd

Hope the pics came through.

Sorry I don't see the fat tub of shit that many of you see in Ben. None of us has any clue what he does in the offseason or what he eats. I think his early season struggles were due to a non-disclosed shoulder problem. He was pushing the ball at times and it floated. It appeared that he got right mid-season and his arm was back. Hopefully he won't have any problems coming into camp this year. Need to fix the mess that is the D.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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I don’t care what he looks like.

I can tell he has been pretty sloth like trying to move at times.

I don’t expect Mike Vick out there or even Benjisan circa 2005. At the same time, I don’t believe he does all he can to maintain his mobility a bit better.

A lot of first downs could be had out there if he was a bit more nimble and took advantage of a defense focused on other things.


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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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Baltostiller wrote:
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franco32 wrote:
If only he could have the lean muscle mass of Brady Quinn.

He had 5 TDs against the best defense in the league (close to 6 but one was a lateral to Bell). Of all the things to bitch about this off season, Ben's body fat is at the bottom of the list.

We should be focused on that dumpster fire of a defense or we are going nowhere.
BR would have a double chin if he were anorexic.


You guys act like Ben had a sqare-lantern jaw when he was drafted and has morphed into Jabba the hutt.

Ben on draft day
https://tinyurl.com/ycv85cor
Ben at camp 2017.
https://tinyurl.com/y9rdp6qd

Hope the pics came through.

Sorry I don't see the fat tub of shit that many of you see in Ben. None of us has any clue what he does in the offseason or what he eats. I think his early season struggles were due to a non-disclosed shoulder problem. He was pushing the ball at times and it floated. It appeared that he got right mid-season and his arm was back. Hopefully he won't have any problems coming into camp this year. Need to fix the mess that is the D.
I actually agree with you but didn't post pics. He does seem to not run effectively, though, and lost some quickness.

But like I said, he would look fat and lazy to those that make judgements based on the roll of fat under his jaw. Which he's had since he came into the league.

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 Post subject: Re: Ben wants to play beyond 2019
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Still Lit wrote:
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Regardless of where you stand on the subject, it's inarguable that as he gets older his fitness and conditioning becomes more and more important. At least, if he plans to stay healthy and keep playing at an elite level.


I think a more accurate way to put this, would be to state that as he gets older, it will take more attention to diet and exercise for Ben to maintain his normal level of fitness. He's been a pretty durable doughboy thus far, and really, that's all he needs to be.


So Ben should do what Tomlin does and just get by on talent alone. I see.


No, thats what he WAS doing before hella-smart Haley forced him to start developing and using his brain. We can only hope he retains Haley's lessons moving forward.


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I don't need Ben to have a six pack or to model for GQ.

I want him to be 5% more fleet of foot in the pocket.

That may be the difference between a great play and a season ending disaster.

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Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
I don't need Ben to have a six pack or to model for GQ.

I want him to be 5% more fleet of foot in the pocket.

That may be the difference between a great play and a season ending disaster.


Dan, with all due respect, I ran the numbers as well.

We need him to be 7.5% more fleet of foot.

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