Bouchette: Bell/Steelers not close to a deal

GreekSteel · **Joined:** Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:06 am **Posts:** 9263

Kodiak wrote:

GreekSteel wrote:

Theres a few good and better safety options in free agency over Mitchell, at ILB, not so much, Roquan Smith is a do it all speed ILB in the mold of #50

We need both a FS and SS....and we have to do A LOT better than Mitchell.

Don't get your hopes up on ILB....VWill and Timmons are going to be your 2018 starterse :lol:

oh without a doubt, they wont be doing what im suggesting, just spitballing here...and while we re at it, dont get your hopes up too much on a Mitchell replacement either, because Tomlin may not got be able to secure the approval of the real head man in charge...EMR

Kodiak · **Joined:** Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:01 am **Posts:** 12074

GreekSteel wrote:

...and while we re at it, dont get your hopes up too much on a Mitchell replacement either,

No doubt. His cap number made getting cut a done deal....then it was pointed out he could take a big paycut to stay. :oops:

Jeemie · **Joined:** Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:34 pm **Posts:** 23687

Kodiak wrote:

GreekSteel wrote:

...and while we re at it, dont get your hopes up too much on a Mitchell replacement either,

No doubt. His cap number made getting cut a done deal....then it was pointed out he could take a big paycut to stay. :oops:

This is the worst part of it all.

Cutting Bell rather than paying him $14+ M per makes the most sense logically when you think what this team has to do.

But that's all predicated on trusting the coaching staff to make the correct changes elsewhere on the team...and I, for one, don't trust them.

I mean...Mitchell was so godawful bad, I wouldn't keep him if he paid the Steelers to play.

The staff and FO probably don't see it that way.

Jobus Rum · **Joined:** Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:58 pm **Posts:** 7088

Kodiak wrote:

GreekSteel wrote:

Theres a few good and better safety options in free agency over Mitchell, at ILB, not so much, Roquan Smith is a do it all speed ILB in the mold of #50

We need both a FS and SS....and we have to do A LOT better than Mitchell.

Don't get your hopes up on ILB....VWill and Timmons are going to be your 2018 starterse :lol:

My bets on VWill and Spence... but same point.

FC · **Joined:** Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:10 am **Posts:** 1268

I do not mean to hijack the thread.

I was not a Ryan Shazier fan as a player.

If you are looking for a Ryan Shazier clone let me introduce you too....Jerome Baker

GreekSteel · **Joined:** Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:06 am **Posts:** 9263

FC wrote:

I do not mean to hijack the thread.

I was not a Ryan Shazier fan as a player.

If you are looking for a Ryan Shazier clone let me introduce you too....Jerome Baker

Your opinion on Roquan Smith FC?

bradshaw2ben · **Joined:** Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:33 pm **Posts:** 16811

I'll give you mine: 2 down player in the NFL

Roquan is an unbelievable downhill player. Like, tremendous.

But as soon as you get past his rear view mirrors, he's pedestrian. Gave up at least 2 bad TDs in coverage during CFB playoffs.

Roquan would be an awesome buck but he's not going to be replacing Shazier at the Mack.

Lifelongsteel · **Joined:** Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:24 am **Posts:** 3048

Jeemie wrote:

Both Super Bowl teams had RB by committee.

Bell either signs a reasonable deal, or let him walk, fix the D, and learn how to get better production out of RB by committee.

Tomlin wants to prove he's a good coach?

Stop trying to load up at star players at every position so you can coast by on them.

Great idea. let's get mediocre players at every position and really make it a challenge.

I kid.

No RB is worth $15M per. Skill position players on balance are vastly over rated and over paid. Interesting thought that the best skill guys on both Pats and Eagles are TEs

GreekSteel · **Joined:** Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:06 am **Posts:** 9263

bradshaw2ben wrote:

I'll give you mine: 2 down player in the NFL

Roquan is an unbelievable downhill player. Like, tremendous.

But as soon as you get past his rear view mirrors, he's pedestrian. Gave up at least 2 bad TDs in coverage during CFB playoffs.

Roquan would be an awesome buck but he's not going to be replacing Shazier at the Mack.

interesting take, hes been drawing alot of comps to pat willis lately..i know draft time buzz and all everyone gets built up to be the next great thing

bradshaw2ben · **Joined:** Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:33 pm **Posts:** 16811

GreekSteel wrote:

bradshaw2ben wrote:

I'll give you mine: 2 down player in the NFL

Roquan is an unbelievable downhill player. Like, tremendous.

But as soon as you get past his rear view mirrors, he's pedestrian. Gave up at least 2 bad TDs in coverage during CFB playoffs.

Roquan would be an awesome buck but he's not going to be replacing Shazier at the Mack.

interesting take, hes been drawing alot of comps to pat willis lately..i know draft time buzz and all everyone gets built up to be the next great thing

I have 3 Macks ahead of him and 3-4 at bout the same tier... as a Mack. As a Buck, he's #1, easily.

GreekSteel · **Joined:** Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:06 am **Posts:** 9263

bradshaw2ben wrote:

GreekSteel wrote:

bradshaw2ben wrote:

I'll give you mine: 2 down player in the NFL

Roquan is an unbelievable downhill player. Like, tremendous.

But as soon as you get past his rear view mirrors, he's pedestrian. Gave up at least 2 bad TDs in coverage during CFB playoffs.

Roquan would be an awesome buck but he's not going to be replacing Shazier at the Mack.

interesting take, hes been drawing alot of comps to pat willis lately..i know draft time buzz and all everyone gets built up to be the next great thing

I have 3 Macks ahead of him and 3-4 at bout the same tier... as a Mack. As a Buck, he's #1, easily.

Van der Esch? Edmunds?

bradshaw2ben · **Joined:** Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:33 pm **Posts:** 16811

Wait for the draft to find out

steel · **Joined:** Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 4699

TB wrote:

steel wrote:

bradshaw2ben wrote:

The problem is: we don't even have one above average RB on the roster at this moment.

with $15,000,000.00, we can easily buy a very good RB committee, plus sign several impact D players.

Not really.

Why not?

Lewis/Blunt/White collectively make less than $5M/year

add 2 solid guys on Defense at $5M/ year each

there's your $15M

COR-TEN · **Joined:** Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:08 pm **Posts:** 6730

Jobus Rum wrote:

Kodiak wrote:

GreekSteel wrote:

Theres a few good and better safety options in free agency over Mitchell, at ILB, not so much, Roquan Smith is a do it all speed ILB in the mold of #50

We need both a FS and SS....and we have to do A LOT better than Mitchell.

Don't get your hopes up on ILB....VWill and Timmons are going to be your 2018 starterse :lol:

My bets on VWill and Spence... but same point.

FUck no. Spence should retire, and VWill is quality depth only.

Kodiak · **Joined:** Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:01 am **Posts:** 12074

COR-TEN wrote:

My bets on VWill and Spence... but same point.

FUck no. Spence should retire, and VWill is quality depth only.[/quote]

He's a solid role player....Larry Foote-type. And that's what that position is in this defense. They need to replace Shazier, and probably Dudpree.

steelheels · **Joined:** Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:14 pm **Posts:** 109

While I would rather let Bell walk than FT him, I don't think we will.
It ties up our cap to the point where we can't get any help at FS or ILB.
KC doesn't like going into a draft with major holes. He has 2 on defense.

If Bell stays via the FT, we will obviously get a 3rd comp next year.
Look for us to pull off a trade similar to what they did with Shamarko years back.
We trade our original 2019 3rd for a mid-4th this year. That makes up for the McDonald trade.

Obviously · **Joined:** Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:28 pm **Posts:** 4637

Time to cut bait with the Le'veon Bell clown show. Let him try to find his greener pastures.

franco32 · **Joined:** Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:54 pm **Posts:** 4232

We need a LOLB, MLB, and FS in the worst possible way. If Hargrave continues to suck and the injury rumor was a myth...we have real problems at NT too.

Dumping 14 million on a RB in today's NFL is insanity. With 14 million you can fix 2 positions on D and sign a decent RB free agent. We have to stop the insanity around Bell.

COR-TEN · **Joined:** Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:08 pm **Posts:** 6730

franco32 wrote:

We need a LOLB, MLB, and FS in the worst possible way. If Hargrave continues to suck and the injury rumor was a myth...we have real problems at NT too.

Dumping 14 million on a RB in today's NFL is insanity. With 14 million you can fix 2 positions on D and sign a decent RB free agent. We have to stop the insanity around Bell.

Hopefully bell is listening to the chatter.

If he signs for the big money, then we know where his priorities are.

Kodiak · **Joined:** Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:01 am **Posts:** 12074

franco32 wrote:

With 14 million you can fix 2 positions on D and sign a decent RB free agent. We have to stop the insanity around Bell.

LOL, no. In today's NFL, $5M in FA will get you a safety of Mike Mitchell's caliber - consider that Wilcox was $3M a year.

If you take a bit of a risk, $7M MIGHT get you a decent defensive FA. You spend $14M on two defense FA's, one might end-up being a player and the other a JAG. Sure, we'd take that, but let's not get carried away with what $14M is actually going to do with you in FA.

The way the cap has gone up in recent years you have to build your team almost exclusively thru the draft. "Fix" 2 defensive positions AND sign a decent RB - you're talking $20M+, easy.

COR-TEN · **Joined:** Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:08 pm **Posts:** 6730

Kodiak wrote:

franco32 wrote:

With 14 million you can fix 2 positions on D and sign a decent RB free agent. We have to stop the insanity around Bell.

LOL, no. In today's NFL, $5M in FA will get you a safety of Mike Mitchell's caliber - consider that Wilcox was $3M a year.

You base your opinion on numbers alone. It's like a real estate agent using comps to tell you what your house is worth. It's useful up until a certain point.

Along comes somebody that loves the tile in the kitchen, the gazebo in the back yard, and the numbers go flying out the double pane bay window.

BarryFoster · **Joined:** Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:16 pm **Posts:** 6969

Imagine the kitchen has upgraded appliances.....

I love these homebuying analogies

COR-TEN · **Joined:** Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:08 pm **Posts:** 6730

BarryFoster wrote:

Imagine the kitchen has upgraded appliances.....

I love these homebuying analogies

I can put a price tag on upgraded appliances.

But how do you value : " I just love the red streaks in the tile, and the gazebo is just so cute!!!"

seabs926 · **Joined:** Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:43 am **Posts:** 283

Kodiak wrote:

franco32 wrote:

With 14 million you can fix 2 positions on D and sign a decent RB free agent. We have to stop the insanity around Bell.

LOL, no. In today's NFL, $5M in FA will get you a safety of Mike Mitchell's caliber - consider that Wilcox was $3M a year.

If you take a bit of a risk, $7M MIGHT get you a decent defensive FA. You spend $14M on two defense FA's, one might end-up being a player and the other a JAG. Sure, we'd take that, but let's not get carried away with what $14M is actually going to do with you in FA.

The way the cap has gone up in recent years you have to build your team almost exclusively thru the draft. "Fix" 2 defensive positions AND sign a decent RB - you're talking $20M+, easy.

This may be true overall, but it's overstating the cap hits in year 1, which is our primary concern. 14M is enough for 2018.

Kodiak · **Joined:** Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:01 am **Posts:** 12074

COR-TEN wrote:

Along comes somebody that loves the tile in the kitchen, the gazebo in the back yard, and the numbers go flying out the double pane bay window.

a.k.a. "the sucker"....problem is, in this scenario the player is the seller, which makes PIT the sucker

Congrats, you succinctly explained why overpaying other teams' castoffs is usually a bad bet.

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