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 Post subject: OT - New Largest NFL Contract to Garoppolo
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:57 pm 
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Good grief - I know he was good but to give someone the biggest per year deal in league history after 7 starts seems a bit over the top

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2741 ... =editorial

Feel free to move but these kinds of numbers do impact the Steelers so this seemed like a good place to start.


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amazing how rich brady has made his back ups over the years.. maybe this ones a keeper..


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To me these “biggest ever” contracts should only go to those that have proven over time they can deliver the goods.

7 freaking starts?

Oh well, it’s not our cap.

Bell is going to see this news and go buh buh buh but I play RB & WR....


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I’m praying the NFL implements some kind of positional salary cap before it comes time to find Ben’s replacement.

Cause these QB contracts are getting insane and with the limited number of good QBs available, I think you could make the argument they can be just as damaging to a franchise’s long term success as first round picks were before they implemented the rookie pay scale.


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Well, when you have $116M in cap space and traded an R2, you want to get a deal done and then you can use the tag on someone else.

Surprised by the guaranteed money - $70M+ can't be right, can it?....remember, this is the same team that gave Kaepernick a big contract structured in a way to minimize risk.

The guy has started a total of 7 NFL games.....in 5 starts with SF, he threw 7 TD's and 5 picks for a 96 rating (obviously becaue of comp% and YPA). Guys tend to get figured out, while others are flash in the pans - truthfuly it's been a dry spell for QB's since Eli/Ben/Rivers/Rodgers/Ryan....many have been "crowned", none have hung on to it.

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These perennial suck ass teams with tons of "cap" are ruining the league making moves like this. Washington was doing it for years after Snyder took over. He overpaid a bunch of players to HUGE contracts that ruined his team and drove up the price for other teams to pay their players.

Then you had Oakland doing it and still is; giving washed up Gruden 100 mill. And now the 49ers.

I know Tomlin takes a lot of heat around here, but when his next contract is up, he deserves and will have to get more than Gruden. Can the Steelers afford to pay Tomlin or ANY other head coach 100 mill???

The Steelers are rumored to be wanting to extend Bens contract this off season. Ben deserves much more than Jimmy G, like 5 times more. Them assholes just paid Garrapalo 27 million a year. That just fucked us with Ben's contract extension, in my opinion. Damn teams are stupid! Whats that mean for Cousins contract??? Eventually teams won't be able to keep up and the NFL will turn into MLB with have not small market teams and the "Haves". The Steelers will turn into the Pirates.


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Then you had Oakland doing it and still is; giving washed up Gruden 100 mill. And now the 49ers.


That's dumb, but what you pay coaches doesn't count against your cap. But when it comes to players, it's all contractual and guaranteed - players get X% of revenue, and teams have to be very close to the cap on average.....this also explains why you have CLE basically trading cap for Osweiler last year.

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Then you had Oakland doing it and still is; giving washed up Gruden 100 mill. And now the 49ers.


That's dumb, but what you pay coaches doesn't count against your cap. But when it comes to players, it's all contractual and guaranteed - players get X% of revenue, and teams have to be very close to the cap on average.....this also explains why you have CLE basically trading cap for Osweiler last year.


So make it so teams can only spend a certain percentage of the cap on any single player.

Teams like Cleveland might actually work to put together a well rounded roster, then.


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So make it so teams can only spend a certain percentage of the cap on any single player.


You'd think the CBA would have been all over something like that. Most of the gains are accruing to the very top players, while the guys who average 3.2 years (like 3/4 of the league) get crumbs on minimum deals.

A guy like VWill kind of gets screwed, while any jagoff QB someone thinks can start a few years gets $20M+.

The flipside of that argument, from a competitive standpoint, is if ranges were more tightly banded then there's not much reason for a player to go to a bad team if they can't pay him a lot more. But the way the cap has been going up, teams basically end-up with 5-6 "franchise" guys....pretty much every team is going to have no problem keeping their 7-8 best player, which is why FA has been such slim pickings.

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 Post subject: Re: OT - New Largest NFL Contract to Garoppolo
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The patriot way is soon to be no more

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... e-jimmy-g/

Brady to hold out on OTA

I’m sure beli is ready to walk

Whatever Mcdaniels gets as new HC on waiting

I’m sure Ernie Adams isn’t part of the deal

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The patriot way is soon to be no more

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... e-jimmy-g/

Brady to hold out on OTA

I’m sure beli is ready to walk

Whatever Mcdaniels gets as new HC on waiting

I’m sure Ernie Adams isn’t part of the deal


this is pretty damn funny. After Brady taking a hometown discount for so many years, Jimmy G getting paid has flipped the switch and finally made Brady butthurt. I can't blame him, but it's funny who the catalyst was. If I was the GOAT and just saw my backup with 7 starts get paid like that, I'd be annoyed too!

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 Post subject: Re: OT - New Largest NFL Contract to Garoppolo
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$74 million guaranteed is $14.8 million a year.

That is not that crazy when you can cut and run at any point. I think his contract is all marketing. He can say he is the highest paid, they can build the team around him. Consider the following cap hits in 2017:

Joe Flacco, Baltimore, $24.55 million
Carson Palmer, Arizona, $24.125 million
Kirk Cousins, Washington, $23.943 million
Matt Ryan, Atlanta, $23.75 million
Matthew Stafford, Detroit, $22 million
Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay, $20.3 million
Cam Newton, Carolina, $20.166 million
Philip Rivers, Los Angeles Chargers, $20 million
Eli Manning, N.Y. Giants, $19.7 million
Andrew Luck, Indianapolis, $19.4 million
Drew Brees, New Orleans, $19 million
Russell Wilson, Seattle, $18.8 million
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh, $18.2 million
Sam Bradford, Minnesota, $18 million
Alex Smith, Kansas City, $16.9 million
Derek Carr, Oakland, $15.7 million
Andy Dalton, Cincinnati, $15.7 million
Tom Brady, New England, $14 million
Mike Glennon, Chicago, $14 million
Jay Cutler, Miami, $10 million
Tyrod Taylor, Buffalo, $9.7 million
Jameis Winston, Tampa Bay, $6.9 million
Marcus Mariota, Tennessee, $6.6 million
Blake Bortles, Jacksonville, $6.57 million
Josh McCown, N.Y. Jets, $6.5 million
Jared Goff, L.A. Rams, $6.4 million
Carson Wentz, Philadelphia, $6 million
Brian Hoyer, San Francisco, $5.3 million
Tom Savage, Houston, $765,146
DeShone Kizer, Cleveland, $899,711
Dak Prescott, Dallas, $635,848
Trever Siemian, Denver, $628,196

They pay him $14.8 million for 2 years to try him out for sure. You pay him $14.8 for the 3rd year and if he is not working out, this would be the year you cut and run, but you’d be happy to use him as a back-up to finish the season. You are now at $44.4 million with $29.6 million to go.

Would someone trade for a back-up with $29.6 left on the contract? Probably not.

So they are risking $29.6 million. That is using $14.8, which is probably low for a starting QB. If you boost it to $20 million in the three year scenario, only $14 million is at risk in the 4th year where you would make the big move to your new franchise QB.

Doesn’t seem like that big of a risk considering the cap hits above.


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So now Florio and Borges are trusted sources at Steelerfury.

Who’s next...Peaches?

LOL.

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I love it. Paying an unproven QB could backfire. An awful lot of money to gamble your franchises future on. I hope this does backfire and whiners are irrelevant for another 20 years.... :lol: :D


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I love it. Paying an unproven QB could backfire. An awful lot of money to gamble your franchises future on. I hope this does backfire and whiners are irrelevant for another 20 years.... :lol: :D


The 49ers have eleventy billion dollars in cap space...this isn’t a horrible gamble, as much as it may seem so.

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I could be wrong, but I don't think Garoppolo is very good. He makes some nice throws but really fails to read coverages at times and forces it.


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Yeah jeems you know as well as I do it's a process. How much money a franchise has means squat if they aren't smart with it. We'll see....


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Yeah jeems you know as well as I do it's a process. How much money a franchise has means squat if they aren't smart with it. We'll see....


Oh I know.

In the past, paying an unproven QB has never worked, so I definitely think the odds are against them.

And Lakecrest above shows that even though the total contract is $137.5 M, it seems to be structured so they can cut him without a huge cap hit after a couple of years.

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Borges being trolled by fake Don Yee?

The whole place is off its rocker

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ory-again/

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Borges being trolled by fake Don Yee?

The whole place is off its rocker

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ory-again/


You're going to laugh at Borges being trolled?

When you bit right into this story because it fit your preconceived notions.

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Borges being trolled by fake Don Yee?

The whole place is off its rocker

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ory-again/



That's even better!

Sounds like the Boston Herald is doing what all the major news outlets do these days. Unnamed, unconfirmed source.......NO Problem! If it's anti-President , just print it!

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BethlehemSteel wrote:
Borges being trolled by fake Don Yee?

The whole place is off its rocker

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ory-again/



That's even better!

Sounds like the Boston Herald is doing what all the major news outlets do these days. Unnamed, unconfirmed source.......NO Problem! If it's anti-President , just print it!


All the more reason to watch and donate to PBS. 8-)

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Lit,

I love Rick Steves. I've bought his travel guides before. Venice and Athens. The guys a bit of a weiner but he knows his stuff.

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Jeemie wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
Borges being trolled by fake Don Yee?

The whole place is off its rocker

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ory-again/


You're going to laugh at Borges being trolled?

When you bit right into this story because it fit your preconceived notions.


Hey at least I report things without giving 100,000 post rebuttals on slippery grounds

Blow your french horn

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Still Lit wrote:
R S wrote:
BethlehemSteel wrote:
Borges being trolled by fake Don Yee?

The whole place is off its rocker

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ory-again/



That's even better!

Sounds like the Boston Herald is doing what all the major news outlets do these days. Unnamed, unconfirmed source.......NO Problem! If it's anti-President , just print it!


All the more reason to watch and donate to PBS. 8-)


Wrong, your donation is re-distributed wealth, PBS gets our tax money....another slush pile which should be blown the fuck out of the water

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Here is the latest on Borges

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It’s been a rough morning for Boston Herald columnist Ron Borges.

Borges believed he had a major scoop in today’s paper: A column citing unnamed “sources” close to Tom Brady saying that Brady was ready to hold out of offseason work if the Patriots didn’t give him a significant pay raise, comparable to the contract the 49ers just gave Brady’s former backup Jimmy Garoppolo. But then WEEI revealed that one of its listeners had hoaxed Borges with a text purporting to be from Brady’s agent, and that the whole premise of Borges’ column was bogus.

PFT checked with the Boston Herald‘s sports editor, Sean Leahy, who told us, “We’re looking into it.”

Meanwhile, the Boston Herald has pulled Borges’ column off its website, which strongly suggests that they’ve already concluded that “looking into it” is something that Borges failed to do when he got the text.

Borges cited “sources,” plural, in his column saying that Brady would hold out, but it appears that Borges was relying on only one source, and that one source was a prankster who fooled him. Borges has a history of poor journalistic practices, including an instance of plagiarism that precipitated his departure from the Boston Globe. We’ve caught Borges copying and pasting from PFT without credit in the past. Now he has egg on his face again.


Looks like Kraft got back at the Colts, and also Borges.

Love how they give the fuck you after the getting the biggest FUCK YOUS losing the SB

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Wrong, your donation is re-distributed wealth, PBS gets our tax money....another slush pile which should be blown the fuck out of the water


I'm not wrong about anything. I know exactly what PBS is. Donations are to local stations to pay for airing the programming and all that entails.

Happy to help keep Judy Woodruff on the air.

What's it like to be such a dumb fuck? Is it fun?

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Wrong, your donation is re-distributed wealth, PBS gets our tax money....another slush pile which should be blown the fuck out of the water


I'm not wrong about anything. I know exactly what PBS is. Donations are to local stations to pay for airing the programming and all that entails.

Happy to help keep Judy Woodruff on the air.

What's it like to be such a dumb fuck? Is it fun?


You need to go a little deeper on your answer. The local does need contributions but the main funding source is US (tax dollars)

Youre a condescending asshole. GO THE FUCK TO HELL CUNTLAPPER

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BethlehemSteel wrote:
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Borges being trolled by fake Don Yee?

The whole place is off its rocker

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ory-again/


You're going to laugh at Borges being trolled?

When you bit right into this story because it fit your preconceived notions.


Hey at least I report things without giving 100,000 post rebuttals on slippery grounds

Blow your french horn


By reporting EVERYTHING without even using a modicum of critical analysis, you contribute to the problem of "fake news".

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And Lakecrest above shows that even though the total contract is $137.5 M, it seems to be structured so they can cut him without a huge cap hit after a couple of years.


whut?!?

$74M guaranteed is $74M guaranteed. If they give him 3 years to prove himself, AT BEST they will have paid him at least $26M for each of those years (regardless how they spread that out over 5-6 years).

Unless it's been reported wrong, that is uncharacteristically stupid and risky for a team that has actually been on the cutting edge of contract structures (i.e. Kaepernick).

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And Lakecrest above shows that even though the total contract is $137.5 M, it seems to be structured so they can cut him without a huge cap hit after a couple of years.


whut?!?

$74M guaranteed is $74M guaranteed. If they give him 3 years to prove himself, AT BEST they will have paid him at least $26M for each of those years (regardless how they spread that out over 5-6 years).

Unless it's been reported wrong, that is uncharacteristically stupid and risky for a team that has actually been on the cutting edge of contract structures (i.e. Kaepernick).


Maybe they really like him.

I see what you’re saying but with all their cap space right now, I don’t see it as as huge an issue as it might be for other teams.

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Here is the latest on Borges

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It’s been a rough morning for Boston Herald columnist Ron Borges.

Borges believed he had a major scoop in today’s paper: A column citing unnamed “sources” close to Tom Brady saying that Brady was ready to hold out of offseason work if the Patriots didn’t give him a significant pay raise, comparable to the contract the 49ers just gave Brady’s former backup Jimmy Garoppolo. But then WEEI revealed that one of its listeners had hoaxed Borges with a text purporting to be from Brady’s agent, and that the whole premise of Borges’ column was bogus.

PFT checked with the Boston Herald‘s sports editor, Sean Leahy, who told us, “We’re looking into it.”

Meanwhile, the Boston Herald has pulled Borges’ column off its website, which strongly suggests that they’ve already concluded that “looking into it” is something that Borges failed to do when he got the text.

Borges cited “sources,” plural, in his column saying that Brady would hold out, but it appears that Borges was relying on only one source, and that one source was a prankster who fooled him. Borges has a history of poor journalistic practices, including an instance of plagiarism that precipitated his departure from the Boston Globe. We’ve caught Borges copying and pasting from PFT without credit in the past. Now he has egg on his face again.


Looks like Kraft got back at the Colts, and also Borges.

Love how they give the fuck you after the getting the biggest FUCK YOUS losing the SB


Again, PFT’s stance here is fucking hilarious since FLORIO HIMSELF REPOSTED BORGES’ ORINGINAL STORY.

So...pot...meet kettle.

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I see what you’re saying but with all their cap space right now, I don’t see it as as huge an issue as it might be for other teams.


They can absorb it. But 8-figure mistakes hurt your team no matter how you slice it.

Even if he is a stud, I think that contract overpays him a good bit. There's no way he should be the highest paid QB in football, and it's unlikely he'd be looking at that kind of money 4-5 years from now even if he DOES ball.

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And Lakecrest above shows that even though the total contract is $137.5 M, it seems to be structured so they can cut him without a huge cap hit after a couple of years.


whut?!?

$74M guaranteed is $74M guaranteed. If they give him 3 years to prove himself, AT BEST they will have paid him at least $26M for each of those years (regardless how they spread that out over 5-6 years).

Unless it's been reported wrong, that is uncharacteristically stupid and risky for a team that has actually been on the cutting edge of contract structures (i.e. Kaepernick).


I disagree and don't think it is that stupid and risky. You can't think of it as $74 million saved or spent elsewhere. If you find your franchise QB you have to pay franchise QB money. I think it will be at least a 3 year experiment barring a complete implosion. So the only way to not pay this type of money is to dick around with draft picks or journeymen, and you can point to Cousins to show, even that can get expensive.

So if you buy the premise that it is a 3 year experiment, the money risked is not that great, you would pay it for anyone with the FranQB moniker. If you do the math, the $14.8 to probably $22 million a year, the 4th year is where all the risk pools, assuming you can't get the decisive "give him another year" read. Obviously if he blows out of the gate you have wasted $74 million, almost 1/10th of a billion! Every pay check is a gamble. Is he a/the FranQB? Time will tell. I like the drawing the sand in the line. This is our FranQB, you have your marching orders; go forth and conquer! Go focus on the rest of the team, and build everything around the QB on offense. It gives the ship a chartered course for 3 years, gives you a face of the franchise, and puts people in the seats for at least 2 years. If it doesn't work out, hit the reset button on QB.

Don't forget most every team has wasted several million dollars on one position in the last 3-5 years. I can think of TE on the Steelers.

For the record I know no details of the contract other than the guaranteed $74 million which I read in several headlines.


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If you do the math, the $14.8 to probably $22 million a year, the 4th year is where all the risk pools, assuming you can't get the decisive "give him another year" read.


It's $74M guaranteed. Salaries the first 3 years is probably at least another $10M. That's not franchise money, that's HOF money.

Potential dead money after 3 years is probably at least another $10M. That's the 8-figure mistake I'm talking about. This is a stupid dumb deal for a team that is usually very savvy about the cap - basically a $100M bet on Garappolo.....do THAT MATH over 3 years.

And it looks like a panic move because of the cap space you have and having shipped an R2 pick for "exclusive rights".

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Jimmy G gets $48.7 million fully guaranteed at signing
Posted by Mike Florio on February 9, 2018, 2:09 PM EST


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The numbers are out regarding the Jimmy Garoppolo. They appear below, along with a full analysis of the terms and the deal.

1. $7 million signing bonus.

On a five-year deal, the low bonus results in a cap charge of only $1.4 million per year.

2. $28 million fully-guaranteed roster bonus.

For a cap-rich team like the 49ers, this device gives Garoppolo a bunch of money at signing, and chews up all of the cap space immediately, with no proration.

3. 2018 base salary of $6.2 million, fully guaranteed at signing.

The first-year salary in any long-term deal is almost always guaranteed as a practical matter; who’s going to cut the guy the same year they signed him?

4. 2019 base salary of $17.2 million guaranteed for injury at signing, $7.5 million of which is fully guaranteed at signing.

While the breakdown from Adam Schefter of ESPN.com isn’t entirely clear on this point, it appears that the full guarantee vests on April 1, a late (relatively speaking) deadline. The 49ers used the same device in the Colin Kaepernick deal, giving them an extended chance to make a decision about whether to continue the deal.

5. 2020 base salary of $23.8 million, $15.7 million of which is guaranteed for injury at signing.

Injury guarantees often are meaningless, but in the event of a serious injury, it’s essentially a free insurance policy. The 2020 injury guarantee apparently becomes a full guarantee on April 1, giving the 49ers some flexibility in determining whether to keep him.

6. 2021 base salary of $24.1 million and 2022 base salary of $24.2 million.

These are non-guaranteed amounts and, essentially, club options for the final two years of the deal.

7. Workout bonuses of $600,000 for 2018 through 2022. (Total value: $3.2 million.)

Garoppolo undoubtedly will meet the annual participation threshold and earn these amounts every year.

8. Per-game roster bonuses of $800,000 for 2018 through 2022. (Total value: $3.2 million.)

While many assume that per-game roster bonuses are money in the bank, an injury can be costly, as Aaron Rodgers learned in 2017. For Garoppolo, every game includes $50,000 that he receives only if he suits up.

9. Further injury guarantee of $7.5 million.

The breakdown from Schefter explains that a $7.5 million injury guarantee applied if Garoppolo “makes it to NFC Championship game or is first- or second-team All Pro.” It’s unclear whether this applies only to the 2021 season or other years of the deal, and there’s no mention of the year(s) in which the incentive applies.

10. The cash flow is $46.2 million through 2018, $61.2 million through 2019, $86.4 million through 2020, $111.9 million through 2021, and $137.5 million through 2022.

Schefter claims that the $61.2 million through two years represents a $10 million bump over what Garoppolo would have made under the franchise tag through 2019. That’s accurate only if the 49ers would have used the non-exclusive tag; if they would have applied the exclusive version of the tag (cutting off another team’s ability to sign him away in exchange for two first-round picks), the gap would have been more like $5 million.

Schefter also says that, after three seasons, Garoppolo “walks away” with $86.4 million. While he’ll indeed make that much over three years (roughly $4 million less than three years of the non-exclusive tag and more than $10 million less than three years of the exclusive tag), Garoppolo won’t be walking away. The 49ers will still hold his rights for two years and $48.3 million — an average of $24.15 million per year. By then, the market for franchise quarterbacks should be well north of $30 million.

For a guy who didn’t get a big-money rookie deal and who has started only seven games, it makes sense to cash in. Still, he could have ultimately done better by forcing two or three years of the tag, especially since 2021 and 2022 would have been the first two years of a market-value contract, not the below-market back end of a five-year deal.

That said, it’s easier for a player who already has banked millions to take that risk. For Garoppolo, a second-round pick in 2014, the safe move arguable was to take the large bird in the hand in lieu of the slightly larger bird in the bush. This dynamic actually makes the willingness of Kirk Cousins to play tag in two straight years even more impressive, given that he entered the league as a fourth-round pick. Two years and $44 million later, he’ll either hit the market unfettered or make $34.47 million if Washington is dumb enough to tag him again.


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Apparently he gets money for fishing in 2019 too.


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If you do the math, the $14.8 to probably $22 million a year, the 4th year is where all the risk pools, assuming you can't get the decisive "give him another year" read.


It's $74M guaranteed. Salaries the first 3 years is probably at least another $10M. That's not franchise money, that's HOF money.

Potential dead money after 3 years is probably at least another $10M. That's the 8-figure mistake I'm talking about. This is a stupid dumb deal for a team that is usually very savvy about the cap - basically a $100M bet on Garappolo.....do THAT MATH over 3 years.

And it looks like a panic move because of the cap space you have and having shipped an R2 pick for "exclusive rights".


Some predict Jimmy G. will drop fairly substantially on the QB list too, once all the franchises race to sign or extend their QB's to beat the next big deal around the corner. I think our Steelers will be in that race too with #7. Maybe it won't be like HOF money at the end of the summer.


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Wrong, your donation is re-distributed wealth, PBS gets our tax money....another slush pile which should be blown the fuck out of the water


I'm not wrong about anything. I know exactly what PBS is. Donations are to local stations to pay for airing the programming and all that entails.

Happy to help keep Judy Woodruff on the air.

What's it like to be such a dumb fuck? Is it fun?


So, Beth is anti-Daniel Tiger and Sesame Street? Sheesh.


Sesame Street is owned by hbo these days

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Sesame Street is owned by hbo these days

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Sesame Street is owned by hbo these days

Does anyone get naked?

Big Bird and Oscar The Grouch.

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Sesame Street is owned by hbo these days

Does anyone get naked?

Big Bird and Oscar The Grouch.

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