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 Post subject: Combine risers
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:36 am 
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The underwear Olympics are upon us. Give me 3 offensive and 3 defensive players whose stock rises after this weekend.

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Mike Hughes CB UCF
Leighton Vander Esch ILB Boise St
Lorenzo Carter OLB Georgia

Honorable mention: Donte Jackson CB LSU

Offensive

Cedric Wilson WR Boise St.
Mark Walton RB Miami
Jamarco Jones OT Ohio State

Honorable Mention: Ian Thomas TE Indiana


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:04 am 
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Safety Jessie Bates III Wake Forest
DLine Nathan Shepherd Fort Hays St.
ILB Chris Worley Ohio St.
Honorable mention: CB Donte Jackson LSU

RB Kerryon Johnson Auburn
WR Jake Wieneke South Dakota St.
QB Lamar Jackson Louisville
Honorable mention: TE Damon Gibson MSU-Moorhead


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Offense:

John Kelly, RB, Tennessee
Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
Mason Rudolph, QB, OKSt
HM: Brian O'Neill, OL, Pittsburgh


Defense:

Kyzir White, WVU
Arden Key, LSU
Jerome Baker, tOSU
HM: Kemoko Turay, Buttgers


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:35 am 
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Steelafan77 wrote:
Safety Jessie Bates III Wake Forest
DLine Nathan Shepherd Fort Hays St.
ILB Chris Worley Ohio St.
Honorable mention: CB Donte Jackson LSU



I would take these 3 as well.

I think Gallup's stock climbs on offense.

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Defense:
Arden Key
Tim Settle
Josh Sweat
HM Terrance Edmunds

Offense:
Lamar Jackson
Sony Michel
Mike Gesicki
HM Jordan Lasley


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:21 am 
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I'm betting people are solidified in Allen and Rudolph as first round QB by the time the Combine is over.

Are we thinking the same for Jackson?


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:32 am 
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I almost put Lamar Jackson on my list. His athleticism will be on full display this weekend.

Not sure Rudolph is a 1st rounder yet, but Allen is for sure. Jackson hopefully is, so the Steelers can trade back.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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SBI is definitely 5-6 "first round" QBs. Not only to open up trade back scenarios, but to push down some impact defensive players, maybe regardless of position of need.

For instance, I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of Vita Vea (pipe dream, most likely) or Tim Settle (may be out of reach post-Combine. Almost put him on my list) in the 1st. Anybody who can make an impact early is my guy.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Charles Demarr wrote:
I almost put Lamar Jackson on my list. His athleticism will be on full display this weekend.

Not sure Rudolph is a 1st rounder yet, but Allen is for sure. Jackson hopefully is, so the Steelers can trade back.


I wish too, but not gonna happen. The Steelers want that 5th year option that accompanies first rounders. It's how they operate. I guess they could trade back 1-4 spots and still stay in the first round, but the opportunity is really slim. Pats - for one - will be trading back when they hit the clock.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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SBI is definitely 5-6 "first round" QBs. Not only to open up trade back scenarios, but to push down some impact defensive players, maybe regardless of position of need.

For instance, I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of Vita Vea (pipe dream, most likely) or Tim Settle (may be out of reach post-Combine. Almost put him on my list) in the 1st. Anybody who can make an impact early is my guy.

I keep seeing these names popping up, but fail to see how that is 1st round position of need for the Steelers. Come to grips with the fact that DT/NT is a part time position in the current defense...and no, they aren’t going to a 4-3. I won’t go into the prospects of each player...Vea, I like...Settles not so much, but with huge issues at safety, ILB, and OLB, drafting a 25 snap per game player in the first round isn’t a luxury the Steelers can afford...my two cents.

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Ice wrote:
I'm betting people are solidified in Allen and Rudolph as first round QB by the time the Combine is over.

Are we thinking the same for Jackson?


Jackson should be a 1st round QB. i hope he goes at #28 but not to the Steelers :D

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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jebrick wrote:
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I'm betting people are solidified in Allen and Rudolph as first round QB by the time the Combine is over.

Are we thinking the same for Jackson?


Jackson should be a 1st round QB. i hope he goes at #28 but not to the Steelers :D


My thoughts exactly. Hopefully he and Rudolph kill it this weekend.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Jobus Rum wrote:
Ice wrote:
SBI is definitely 5-6 "first round" QBs. Not only to open up trade back scenarios, but to push down some impact defensive players, maybe regardless of position of need.

For instance, I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of Vita Vea (pipe dream, most likely) or Tim Settle (may be out of reach post-Combine. Almost put him on my list) in the 1st. Anybody who can make an impact early is my guy.

I keep seeing these names popping up, but fail to see how that is 1st round position of need for the Steelers. Come to grips with the fact that DT/NT is a part time position in the current defense...and no, they aren’t going to a 4-3. I won’t go into the prospects of each player...Vea, I like...Settles not so much, but with huge issues at safety, ILB, and OLB, drafting a 25 snap per game player in the first round isn’t a luxury the Steelers can afford...my two cents.


If those 25 snaps per game, combined with production from Tuitt and Heyward, generate pressure in the face of the QB, result in loss plays and possibly turnovers, I'm definitely listening. Nobody said "4-3," but in packages, down linemen that can get penetration? The more the merrier. Maybe Gravedigger was an injury last year, but his production tailed off drastically. Understand where you're coming from, though with S and ILB. They're the major needs, for sure. Why I said "not entirely opposed." If we're down to the 4th best ILB and the 3rd or 4th best S, I'm not sure that's value, so I would start looking at other defensive positions.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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40-yd 4.x Seconds of Fame Category:
DJ Chark
Coutee
Donte Jackson
Christian Kirk
Denzell Ward
Ronald Jones

"I Will Shoot Up Boards After Combine Even Though Everyone Says It's 90% Tape" Category:
Tim Settle
Orlando Brown
Dallas Goedert
Ronald Jones
Taven Bryan
Lorenzo Carter
Kalen Ballage

"I Will Nosedive On Boards After Combine Even Though Everyone Says It's 90% Tape" Category:
Josey Jewell
Quenton Meeks

Surprisingly Athletic Category:
Dmitri Flowers
Andrew Brown
Deadrin Senat
Mike McGinchley
Chukwuma Okorafor
Hercules Mata'afa

Best Interview Category:
Marcus Davenport
Tim Settle

Best QB Wonderlic:
Mike White

Great Against Air Category:
Chase Litton
Michael Gallup

Slower Than Expected Category:
James Washington
Royce Freeman

Faster Than Expected Category:
Leighton Vander Esch

Bigger Than Expected Category:
Skai Moore

Smaller Than Expected Category:
Roquan Smith
Shaun Dion Hamilton

QB Buzz After Combine Category:
Luke Falk

Guy You've never Heard Of Who Will Be Hot On #DraftTwitter Next Couple of Weeks Category:
Trey Quinn

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Ice wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:
Ice wrote:
SBI is definitely 5-6 "first round" QBs. Not only to open up trade back scenarios, but to push down some impact defensive players, maybe regardless of position of need.

For instance, I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of Vita Vea (pipe dream, most likely) or Tim Settle (may be out of reach post-Combine. Almost put him on my list) in the 1st. Anybody who can make an impact early is my guy.

I keep seeing these names popping up, but fail to see how that is 1st round position of need for the Steelers. Come to grips with the fact that DT/NT is a part time position in the current defense...and no, they aren’t going to a 4-3. I won’t go into the prospects of each player...Vea, I like...Settles not so much, but with huge issues at safety, ILB, and OLB, drafting a 25 snap per game player in the first round isn’t a luxury the Steelers can afford...my two cents.


If those 25 snaps per game, combined with production from Tuitt and Heyward, generate pressure in the face of the QB, result in loss plays and possibly turnovers, I'm definitely listening. Nobody said "4-3," but in packages, down linemen that can get penetration? The more the merrier. Maybe Gravedigger was an injury last year, but his production tailed off drastically. Understand where you're coming from, though with S and ILB. They're the major needs, for sure. Why I said "not entirely opposed." If we're down to the 4th best ILB and the 3rd or 4th best S, I'm not sure that's value, so I would start looking at other defensive positions.

But who’s to say what actual value is? If the 3 or 4 safety can come in and make a difference on the back end, is that more important than what impact that Vea, in 25% of playing time makes over what Hargrave gives you? I believe that answer is yes. Now if they would happen to choose VV, it wouldn’t be a TV through the bay window scenario for me, like I said, he’s going to be a good one, IMO. But if that happens, and those back line issues aren’t addressed in some other way, than that’s a problem. I think it’s safe to say that all the secondary problems, miscommunication, blown assignments, missed tackles... BIG PLAYS, were/are the biggest obstacle between the Steelers and the Super Bowl.

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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If the Steelers draft Settle or Vea it is a change in how they are doing their defense. Hargrave has not been playing 2-gap as NT and is ill-suited to do it. Vea or Settle ( or Poona Ford) would be 2-gap NT.

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I don't have any doubt the Steelers target BPA @ need. DLine is a day 3 scenario. I think they draft ILB, S and RB with their 1st 3 picks. I think they tag Bell and he walks in 2019. Safety is a disaster and ILB has never been a bigger need.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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I didn't see WR as necessarily a round two need last year, but when Smith-Schuster was there...

I agree S and ILB are glaring needs.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Ice wrote:
I didn't see WR as necessarily a round two need last year, but when Smith-Schuster was there...

I agree S and ILB are glaring needs.

I think the logic behind the Juju pick was Martavis was still suspended by the league and another failed test would cost him another season or more. Eli Rogers also subpar.

I too agree S and LB the glaring needs. The defense up the middle is scary bad. The nose tackle, both inside backers and both safeties one in particular all in need of upgrade


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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The 2 penn state safeties. Tom Bradley knows them both of them extremely well.

I only knew of Marcus Allen. After watching tape I think Troy Apke will test better than his current draft ranking and team mate.

I think he may be the better FS of the two.

My pre combine sleeper


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Nice one aussie. I think this kid will surprise and make a squad. I think he'll have to get his feet wet in the NFL on ST's which will only confirm this kids abilities. I'd draft him later in the draft. Could be a steal. He's got length, speed and twitch. Started out his collegiate career as a WR. Still raw with only 1 year as a starter in college. Also his dad Steve played in the NFL for guess who? In 1987.

Side Note: Someone else I look at later in the draft is his teammate Parker Cothren. Kid has done an excellent job in the middle of the Lions defense and would be a really nice back up to Hargrave going forward. Everyone knows this [middle] to be a weakness for the Steelers defense.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Risers

Defense

Lorenzo Carter LB UGA
Andre Smith LB UNC
Tim Settle NT Va Tech

Offense
Courtland Sutton WR SMU
Jordan Thomas TE Mississippi State
Deion Cain Wr C;emson

Now the fun part draft fallers

Bradley Chubb De NC ST-Slow 4.8ish slow
Quenton Nelson G Notre Dame...Weak can't anchor poor feet
Marcus Davenport DE UTSA...Lazy soft zero motor not athletic looks the part
Harold Landry DE UVA...Slow dumb lazy
Dallas Goedert TE SDSU...Soft weak not NFL fast
Leighton Vander Esch LB Boise State...Soft weak slow dumb horrible character off field(Described as an arrogant fucking moron by an NFL scout)

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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I still think the game film is much more important in evaluating players than the combine .


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Risers

Defense

Lorenzo Carter LB UGA
Andre Smith LB UNC
Tim Settle NT Va Tech

Offense
Courtland Sutton WR SMU
Jordan Thomas TE Mississippi State
Deion Cain Wr C;emson

Now the fun part draft fallers

Bradley Chubb De NC ST-Slow 4.8ish slow
Quenton Nelson G Notre Dame...Weak can't anchor poor feet
Marcus Davenport DE UTSA...Lazy soft zero motor not athletic looks the part
Harold Landry DE UVA...Slow dumb lazy
Dallas Goedert TE SDSU...Soft weak not NFL fast
Leighton Vander Esch LB Boise State...Soft weak slow dumb horrible character off field(Described as an arrogant fucking moron by an NFL scout)


Interested to see Andre Smith, haven't seen him much. Agree with most of your fallers, but everthing I read and watch on Nelson tells me he is almost certainly guaranteed a spot in the top 10.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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steelmann58 wrote:
I still think the game film is much more important in evaluating players than the combine .


Definitely, but the hype the combine generates is always fun.


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