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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:36 am 
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I still think the game film is much more important in evaluating players than the combine .


I think the athletic numbers at the combine go a long way in justifying that the game film will carry over to the next level. If you go too much off tape, you end up with Jarvis Jones. If you go too much with measurable, you end up with Bud Dupree. Look at tape first, if the numbers check out, then go back and re-evaluate tape. Then hit the pro day and re-evaluate the numbers, then back to tape, get player in front of a whiteboard at least a couple of times, and there you have it.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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I still think the game film is much more important in evaluating players than the combine .


I think the athletic numbers at the combine go a long way in justifying that the game film will carry over to the next level. If you go too much off tape, you end up with Jarvis Jones. If you go too much with measurable, you end up with Bud Dupree. Look at tape first, if the numbers check out, then go back and re-evaluate tape. Then hit the pro day and re-evaluate the numbers, then back to tape, get player in front of a whiteboard at least a couple of times, and there you have it.

Although I totally agree with you Ice, I will point out that, since Bud Dupree's draft year, there are 7 players who've had more sacks in 1st 3 seasons combined. 3 were top 8 picks. One is a straight up 4-3 DE. One had such bad red flags that apparently he was off of more than 20 teams boards. That leaves Danielle Hunter (whose college tape was pretty much worse than Bud's and whose workout numbers were great but less than Bud's) and Yannick Ngakoue, who is a pass rush specialist who provided great value.

Bud is probably going to make it to 10 sacks in a single season, even if he doesn't totally meet expectations. I don't think anyone thinks he had a good season rushing the passer, yet he had 6 (only about 5 or 6 edge rushers for the Steelers have ever had more in a season since they've recorded the stat).

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Only picked those two out as examples, and maybe didn't think as far into it as I should have before throwing them out there. As an eternal positivist and ritual giver of multiple chances, I still hold out some hope for Bud, because the ability physically still seems to be there. The "traits that can't be coached," for whatever that expression is worth. Jarvis? Shame, but you could tell that wasn't going to work pretty early, because they just weren't.


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I think Harold Landry is going to do well at the combine and fail in the NFL. He seems to be a one trick pony and will end up as a situational pass rusher.

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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jebrick wrote:
I think Harold Landry is going to do well at the combine and fail in the NFL. He seems to be a one trick pony and will end up as a situational pass rusher.

You're describing Ngakoue or Cliff Avril or Robert Mathis, as well. It can work, on the right team/situation.

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Avril and Mathis actually carved themselves out pretty nice, long careers off of that one trick.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Yes they did.

Avril is literally the most outlier one trick guy I can think of. His first step and 10yd split are absurd.

The rumor in Seattle is that he might be done.

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Quenton Nelson G Notre Dame...Weak can't anchor poor feet


Woops...He benched his balls off. I just didnt see the power translate to the field

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Woops...He benched his balls off. I just didnt see the power translate to the field

I think that dude is plug and play from day one to Pro Bowl. But... you never, ever, ever know.

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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I think he's one of the meanest interior linemen I've ever seen. Not going to be surprised at all if he ends up somewhere in the top six or seven picks.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Charles Demarr wrote:
I think he's one of the meanest interior linemen I've ever seen. Not going to be surprised at all if he ends up somewhere in the top six or seven picks.


no one should take a guard in the top 10. There are no guards that are worth that. What is the difference between him and a guard in the 2nd round.

Top 10 picks should be for guys who play on an island. CBs, pass rushers, QB, OT. Not guards or centers.

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:30 am 
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Ohio State C Billy Price is believed to have a torn pec, per sources, and is waiting on an MRI to confirm. It happened on his third rep during the bench press at combine today. https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/ ... 1048671232
That's a damn shame. I think dude still gets drafted in the late 1st RND/early 2nd RND. A pec tear isn't career threatening.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Running backs are lighting it up :o

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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I'm a little surprised Michel only ran a 4.55. He seems to play a lot faster.

Ronald Jones weak and slow. I actually kinda liked him from watching him.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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FC wrote:
Running backs are lighting it up :o

really good class

hey, check your messages

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:00 am 
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Orlando Brown cost himself a lot of money

10 yard split of 2 seconds!!!!!

14 bench

19 VJ Are you kidding me !!

6'10 BJ

He has shown zero explosiveness. Worst combine numbers by any OT

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:32 am 
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I understand the athleticism is implied but we and analyst's I think expect a lot from those big guys. As big as they are they can still out run people half their weight. Brown is 6'8 345 pounds. How athletic does he really have to be? If his job is to block then I think he's fine. If he's having to chase someone and actually apply the split or run after someone down field then something is very wrong. He be one of those combine losers that eventually develops into and becomes a NFL winner. AB did it. His combine wasn't anything to write home about and look where he is today. On the flip side how many "athletes" have we seen blow up the combine only to be a flash in the pan come game days? Too early to tell what Brown's career will look like. I think he may fall in the draft a bit because scouts/teams put a lot of stock in the underwear olympics unfortunately. It helped the Steelers land AB. Helped the cheats land marsha.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:20 am 
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Steelafan77 wrote:
I understand the athleticism is implied but we and analyst's I think expect a lot from those big guys. As big as they are they can still out run people half their weight. Brown is 6'8 345 pounds. How athletic does he really have to be? If his job is to block then I think he's fine. If he's having to chase someone and actually apply the split or run after someone down field then something is very wrong. He be one of those combine losers that eventually develops into and becomes a NFL winner. AB did it. His combine wasn't anything to write home about and look where he is today. On the flip side how many "athletes" have we seen blow up the combine only to be a flash in the pan come game days? Too early to tell what Brown's career will look like. I think he may fall in the draft a bit because scouts/teams put a lot of stock in the underwear olympics unfortunately. It helped the Steelers land AB. Helped the cheats land marsha.


Jarvis Jones says hello.

Lets be clear. Orlando Brown Jr was THE WORST OT AT THE COMBINE!!! At all levels. This is from an OT that was in the running for best OT in his draft class. There are reasons that the combine tests do not change year to year. It is to compare with previous years.

I am not saying he becomes a DND but I think he falls to day 3. His Pro day is now the most important day in his life.

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:21 am 
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ouch... bad red flag for Chase Litton

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/2018/03/01/stalking-injunction-part-of-ex-wharton-marshall-qb-chase-littons-nfl-draft-file/
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As NFL teams perform their due diligence in researching former Wharton High and Marshall quarterback Chase Litton before April's draft, they will see stories detailing his arrest as a high school sophomore on burglary and theft charges.

They also have learned of a yearlong stalking injunction obtained by a former girlfriend at Wharton after nude photos of her were posted on social media in May 2014, something that has not been previously reported publicly.

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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Sounds like talking heads are finally catching on to Desean Hamilton. He’s a great route runner with very good hands. No way should he go in the 5th round like I’ve seen him projected to.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Understandable brick. Just too early to write a 20 something off is all I'm saying.

Allen Lazard did himself a favor testing today. 17 lifts and a 4.55 official 40 @ 227 pounds. Want to see his SS, 3 cone. Vert, and long jump because one of the negatives on Lazard is lack of explosiveness. Looked to have good solid hands catching today. I believe he was ranked 5th RND also. He could move way up bottom of the 3rd? 6'4 and change, 32 1/4" arms, 9 3/4" hands....


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Could Michael Gallup sneak into the first round? WR class is not great and he has good size, looks smooth, makes catching the ball look easy.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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Steelafan77 wrote:
Understandable brick. Just too early to write a 20 something off is all I'm saying.

Allen Lazard did himself a favor testing today. 17 lifts and a 4.55 official 40 @ 227 pounds. Want to see his SS, 3 cone. Looked to have good solid hands catching today. I believe he was ranked 5th RND also. He could move way up bottom of the 3rd? 6'4 and change, 32 1/4" arms, 9 3/4" hands....

Man did he look slow coming out of his break in the WR sideline drill.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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He did. That's one of the hits on him. Lack of explosiveness. Just edited my post to include that. Interested in his vert and broad jumps.


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 Post subject: Re: Combine risers
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seabs926 wrote:
Could Michael Gallup sneak into the first round? WR class is not great and he has good size, looks smooth, makes catching the ball look easy.


He runs good routes. i think his explosiveness numbers will tell the tale. I thought he was the 2nd best WR in the draft.

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