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 Post subject: Anybody Catch Greg Cosell On Pgh Sports Radio Today?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:26 pm 
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On with Lolley & Matt Williamson

I am going to paraphrase as best I can:

• Steelers should think twice about paying Bell top dollar because the deal should be judged on "how much he helps Ben Roethliberger" and that, lately, "he hasn't been as much help to him as he used to be."

• Said he is interested to see what the new OC and his plans will be for not only Bell usage but 'hopefully moving away from being so heavily isolation-based instead of scheme-based.' When asked to elaborate, Cosell said that , in contrast to, say, Shanahan or McVay who use multiple routes at multiple levels of the defense to work together to get open and who use one play to build to the next play and the next play, Pittsburgh's offense was "almost totally based on receivers winning 1 on 1 matchups with the guy in front of them'. He said, "that's fine when you're talking about Antonio Brown' and 'they were pretty good' but that "the scheme element has to improve because it makes life easier for the QB". Also mentioned that the same can be said for Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay's offense at times, although Rodgers, despite otherworldly tools, leaves a lot of plays on the field even when schemed. (I would argue that it might be true for their offense between the 20s, but GB seems more organized and schemed in the red zone)

Pardon me, but it was the first time I've ever heard anyone on the radio or a podcast say this outside of our show. I almost cried, because it was the first moment I realized that I'm not alone in the universe. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Anybody Catch Greg Cosell On Pgh Sports Radio Today?
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Cosell is the best judge-of teams and players out there

He watches eons of film and his game breakdowns are awesome

You should break out into the big time and do a show with him

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Too funny :lol:

I actually listened to that today B2B! As he was saying that I was like you are preaching to the choir. Amen. And then I thought somewhere B2B is smiling.

This is what people don't get about Haley, he really was limiting this offense. All of that talent to work with and he didn't really make it easier for them, no, he made it harder for them to succeed.

I loved that quote he had (Cosell) where he said Rodgers was like a jazz musican and Brady was more like a concert pianist. Anyway, I heard that today on Steeler Nation Radio here in the 'Burgh and then I had a glimpse into Hall of Fame voters and it made me almost vomit.

Did you happen to hear Lolley & Williamson interview that Cincy guy, their Ed Bouchette? They were talking about some Cincy guys that were deserving of the Hall of Fame. This guy was talking about how Geno Atkins is a first ballot hall of fame? WTF? I like Atkins a lot but he is not THAT great. And then the guy talked about Ken Anderson and Ken Riley. Anderson I can sort of see as he was the prototype for the west coast offense QB. Bill Walsh and the 49ers owe a great debt to the time that Walsh spent with Anderson in Cincinnati. Back in the mid-70s you saw those two fully realize Walsh's offense, you saw Anderson with the high passer rating, with the high completion percentage, etc. So, yeah, I can understand Anderson but Riley? He played 15 years and had 65 INTs, which is very good. But he never made the Pro Bowl, was never voted to anything really. I thought he should have had at least one Pro Bowl/All Star nod for that one season where he had 9 INTs but no joy. How can somebody like that ever be a Hall of Famer?

I love when you get to read, see, hear these other beat writers, HOF voters and who they think is deserving. It is crazy.

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 Post subject: Re: Anybody Catch Greg Cosell On Pgh Sports Radio Today?
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Cosell is my favorite analyst. Not a mouthpiece saying scripted stuff. The show he does with the Philly postgame guy Fran Duffy is high quality football talk.

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I sure hope the offense improves now that big, bad Haley is gone. The logical part of my brain though, despite my best efforts to subdue it at times, breaks through in this case telling me that there's probably reasons for this highly paid OC to do the things that he does.


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I sure hope the offense improves now that big, bad Haley is gone. The logical part of my brain though, despite my best efforts to subdue it at times, breaks through in this case telling me that there's probably reasons for this highly paid OC to do the things that he does.


Every offensive coordinator is paid big $$.

Does that mean all of them are good?

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I loved that quote he had (Cosell) where he said Rodgers was like a jazz musican and Brady was more like a concert pianist.

I was thinking Ben is kind of Eddie Van Halen in that scenario. Capable of rock & roll pyrotechnics and also comfortable with the classics.

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 Post subject: Re: Anybody Catch Greg Cosell On Pgh Sports Radio Today?
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
Cosell is my favorite analyst. Not a mouthpiece saying scripted stuff. The show he does with the Philly postgame guy Fran Duffy is high quality football talk.


He is a south jersey resident being at NFL Films, ESPN now (his show is hot) and he's all over the main Fantasy Football podcasts.

I listen to at least 2-3 different takes of him a week. He's excellent.

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I loved that quote he had (Cosell) where he said Rodgers was like a jazz musican and Brady was more like a concert pianist.

I was thinking Ben is kind of Eddie Van Halen in that scenario. Capable of rock & roll pyrotechnics and also comfortable with the classics.


One could also say he’s like Eddie in another way.

Both have tons of natural talent but peaked early in their careers. Relying too much on that natural talent.

With Eddie alcohol & blow played a big factor in his mailing it in for so long.

With Ben it’s likely a touch too much laziness


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You think Ben peaked early in his career, yet he's had 2 of his best passing years out of the last 3 and 3 of his best out of the last 5... and one could argue he did that without a game plan or playcalling or scheme that really maximized his talents.

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 Post subject: Re: Anybody Catch Greg Cosell On Pgh Sports Radio Today?
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When I say peaked I’m doing so in terms of Ben still not being as “heady” of a QB as he could be this far into his career.

Still good for those games or stretches where he makes or gets baited into mistakes.

I realize overall he is a better QB than he was early in terms of reading defenses etc.

However, nobody has ever accused him of being he hardest worker in the building.

So it begs the question, how good would he be if he was?

Lastly, do I need to post how he’s played in the postseason vs. his counterparts starting with most recent SB?

He has been outplayed when it’s matter most for going on a decade now.

And it hasn’t mattered whether he’s facing Tom Brady or Joe Blow.


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 Post subject: Re: Anybody Catch Greg Cosell On Pgh Sports Radio Today?
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You mean besides the most recent playoff game where he threw for 469 yards and 5TD’s?

If you’re gonna blame anyone, start with Tomlin the supposed defensive coach who’s had a shitty defense since Cowher’s guys retired. He can’t pick or develop OLB’s or anyone in the secondary and they were bent over by fucking Jacksonville.

Get real dude.


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 Post subject: Re: Anybody Catch Greg Cosell On Pgh Sports Radio Today?
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I suggest it is you that gets real or at the least expand your perspective. Because I am factoring that game and those 5 TDs. If you want to take that game away and run his stats vs. counterparts since last SB minus that game let’s do it. He will look even worse without that 5 TD game.

What helps more than a 5 TD game is an efficient game with no turnovers.

History is full of QBs that put up a lot of yards in playoff games yet came out on the losing end.

Playoff football is as much about the negative plays you don't make as much as it is about the positive ones you do.

And over his past 9 postseason games Ben has fewer TDs and far more INTs than his counterparts in those games.

That is a recipe for losing football.


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If you’re gonna blame anyone, start with Tomlin the supposed defensive coach who’s had a shitty defense since Cowher’s guys retired. He can’t pick or develop OLB’s or anyone in the secondary and they were bent over by fucking Jacksonville.


Oh you’ll find no disagreement from me there.

I’m just of the opinion that both are to blame. The degree to which can be debated.

What can’t be debated is the number of INTs & fumbles Ben has vs. his counterparts in postseason play.

When you turn it over more than they do you are almost always bound to lose. Ben spotted Jville 14 points.

All those monster stats he put up after did nothing but turn what would have been a blowout into a respectable loss on paper.

The damage had been done however.

Smarter QB play could have potentially limited that early deficit.


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 Post subject: Re: Anybody Catch Greg Cosell On Pgh Sports Radio Today?
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Well to be fair...Roethlisberger doesn’t get to play against Tomlin’s defense...

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Some of those defenses we carried into the playoffs weren’t all that bad relatively speaking based on where they ranked.


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The defense is squared to be blamed on that jax loss but if Tomlin is the man running this defense it also falls on him


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Well to be fair...Roethlisberger doesn’t get to play against Tomlin’s defense...


When he has - against GB, or Lebeau's TEN....he pretty much lit the fuck out. I mean, talking all-time records.

He's been handcuffed by mediocre (at best) OC's. Honestly, I'm not sure there has ever been a better QB. Rodgers may have a better arm. That's about it.

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Jobus Rum wrote:
Well to be fair...Roethlisberger doesn’t get to play against Tomlin’s defense...


When he has - against GB, or Lebeau's TEN....he pretty much lit the fuck out. I mean, talking all-time records.

He's been handcuffed by mediocre (at best) OC's. Honestly, I'm not sure there has ever been a better QB. Rodgers may have a better arm. That's about it.

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bradshaw2ben wrote:
On with Lolley & Matt Williamson

I am going to paraphrase as best I can:

• Steelers should think twice about paying Bell top dollar because the deal should be judged on "how much he helps Ben Roethliberger" and that, lately, "he hasn't been as much help to him as he used to be."



I guess we find out by 4PM tomorrow.

I think the plan is to tag him and continue negotiations. I just wonder how he will react. Not up for the drama of last year.


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14 million for a guy who averaged less than 4 yards a carry for almost the entire year. Behind that line, those weapons, and that QB.

Just think about it. It's not worth it. Not when your D got shredded by Brissett, Hundley, Kizer, and Bortles.


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14 million for a guy who averaged less than 4 yards a carry for almost the entire year. Behind that line, those weapons, and that QB.

Just think about it. It's not worth it. Not when your D got shredded by Brissett, Hundley, Kizer, and Bortles.


This

No way should he get what he’s asking for.....huge mistake IMO.

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Possibly the best pass blocking RB in the league, which makes him possibly the best all around back in the league.

How do we know the o line did not slump in the run game and not just Bell?

Asking the question not taking a side.

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I guess we find out by 4PM tomorrow.

I think the plan is to tag him and continue negotiations. I just wonder how he will react. Not up for the drama of last year.



I'm interested to see if Bell will wait forever to sign the tag again. Because if he does, I keep shopping for defensive help and if I find it, I'm yanking his tag and telling him don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Or if Hyde doesn't get tagged and I can do a deal with him, then I rescind Bell's tag. The tag is not supposed to work that way, but if you won't sign a reasonable deal and threaten to sit out then PIT shouldn't care. Hell, you're letting him be a FA, which is what he wants.

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