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 Post subject: Re: Anybody Catch Greg Cosell On Pgh Sports Radio Today?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:26 pm 
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When I say peaked I’m doing so in terms of Ben still not being as “heady” of a QB as he could be this far into his career.

Still good for those games or stretches where he makes or gets baited into mistakes.

I realize overall he is a better QB than he was early in terms of reading defenses etc.

However, nobody has ever accused him of being he hardest worker in the building.

So it begs the question, how good would he be if he was?

Lastly, do I need to post how he’s played in the postseason vs. his counterparts starting with most recent SB?

He has been outplayed when it’s matter most for going on a decade now.

And it hasn’t mattered whether he’s facing Tom Brady or Joe Blow.


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 Post subject: Re: Anybody Catch Greg Cosell On Pgh Sports Radio Today?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:38 pm 
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You mean besides the most recent playoff game where he threw for 469 yards and 5TD’s?

If you’re gonna blame anyone, start with Tomlin the supposed defensive coach who’s had a shitty defense since Cowher’s guys retired. He can’t pick or develop OLB’s or anyone in the secondary and they were bent over by fucking Jacksonville.

Get real dude.


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 Post subject: Re: Anybody Catch Greg Cosell On Pgh Sports Radio Today?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:02 pm 
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I suggest it is you that gets real or at the least expand your perspective. Because I am factoring that game and those 5 TDs. If you want to take that game away and run his stats vs. counterparts since last SB minus that game let’s do it. He will look even worse without that 5 TD game.

What helps more than a 5 TD game is an efficient game with no turnovers.

History is full of QBs that put up a lot of yards in playoff games yet came out on the losing end.

Playoff football is as much about the negative plays you don't make as much as it is about the positive ones you do.

And over his past 9 postseason games Ben has fewer TDs and far more INTs than his counterparts in those games.

That is a recipe for losing football.


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 Post subject: Re: Anybody Catch Greg Cosell On Pgh Sports Radio Today?
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If you’re gonna blame anyone, start with Tomlin the supposed defensive coach who’s had a shitty defense since Cowher’s guys retired. He can’t pick or develop OLB’s or anyone in the secondary and they were bent over by fucking Jacksonville.


Oh you’ll find no disagreement from me there.

I’m just of the opinion that both are to blame. The degree to which can be debated.

What can’t be debated is the number of INTs & fumbles Ben has vs. his counterparts in postseason play.

When you turn it over more than they do you are almost always bound to lose. Ben spotted Jville 14 points.

All those monster stats he put up after did nothing but turn what would have been a blowout into a respectable loss on paper.

The damage had been done however.

Smarter QB play could have potentially limited that early deficit.


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 Post subject: Re: Anybody Catch Greg Cosell On Pgh Sports Radio Today?
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Well to be fair...Roethlisberger doesn’t get to play against Tomlin’s defense...

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 Post subject: Re: Anybody Catch Greg Cosell On Pgh Sports Radio Today?
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Some of those defenses we carried into the playoffs weren’t all that bad relatively speaking based on where they ranked.


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 Post subject: Re: Anybody Catch Greg Cosell On Pgh Sports Radio Today?
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The defense is squared to be blamed on that jax loss but if Tomlin is the man running this defense it also falls on him


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Jobus Rum wrote:
Well to be fair...Roethlisberger doesn’t get to play against Tomlin’s defense...


When he has - against GB, or Lebeau's TEN....he pretty much lit the fuck out. I mean, talking all-time records.

He's been handcuffed by mediocre (at best) OC's. Honestly, I'm not sure there has ever been a better QB. Rodgers may have a better arm. That's about it.

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 Post subject: Re: Anybody Catch Greg Cosell On Pgh Sports Radio Today?
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Kodiak wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:
Well to be fair...Roethlisberger doesn’t get to play against Tomlin’s defense...


When he has - against GB, or Lebeau's TEN....he pretty much lit the fuck out. I mean, talking all-time records.

He's been handcuffed by mediocre (at best) OC's. Honestly, I'm not sure there has ever been a better QB. Rodgers may have a better arm. That's about it.

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Putting Ben in situations that generate a higher risk of turning the ball over. 'We Do What We Do'!


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 Post subject: Re: Anybody Catch Greg Cosell On Pgh Sports Radio Today?
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
On with Lolley & Matt Williamson

I am going to paraphrase as best I can:

• Steelers should think twice about paying Bell top dollar because the deal should be judged on "how much he helps Ben Roethliberger" and that, lately, "he hasn't been as much help to him as he used to be."



I guess we find out by 4PM tomorrow.

I think the plan is to tag him and continue negotiations. I just wonder how he will react. Not up for the drama of last year.


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