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 Post subject: Re: Antonio Brown converts 2018 base salary into signing bon
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:54 pm 
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Kodiak wrote:
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Kodiak, can you supply any example of why Shazier will get an exemption? I was hoping that would be the case, but from what I've mostly read, he will count his full $8.718 million against the cap this year - unless we extend him maybe? Thanks for the help.


Hugely bad PR for PIT and the league if they don't. With no exemption, they would be forcing PIT to cut or reach an injury settlement.

And Colbert already basically said the other day they were getting an exemption.


PIT doesn’t have a say in it and I think you grossly underestimate the NFL’s ability to botch an easy PR opportunity.

As for the Colbert quotes, the only ones I’ve seen are from when he announced Shazier wouldn’t play and they were waiting to hear from the NFL about his roster designation and which “list” he’d be on. I read that as more an issue of how he’d count against the 90 man roster than anything regarding the cap. It certainly was definitely about his salary, that’s for sure.

Definitely hoping you’re right though.


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 Post subject: Re: Antonio Brown converts 2018 base salary into signing bon
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:57 pm 
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Louis Lipps Service wrote:
As for the Colbert quotes, the only ones I’ve seen are from when he announced Shazier wouldn’t play and they were waiting to hear from the NFL about his roster designation and which “list” he’d be on. I read that as more an issue of how he’d count against the 90 man roster than anything regarding the cap. It certainly was definitely about his salary, that’s for sure.

Definitely hoping you’re right though.


Colbert has already said Shazier would be placed on the exemption list. Said it a week ago.

The NFL is not going to botch this. Guy was paralyzed on national tv, and it's been national news. PIT is willing to pay him but, c'mon, they can't eat $9M in cap when they are trying to win a SB. I would be raising holy hell if they didn't give me cap relief, and it would get very ugly for Roger and the NFL. That PIT/Colbert haven't said squat tells you they've been given assurances and have no reason to believe otherwise.

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 Post subject: Re: Antonio Brown converts 2018 base salary into signing bon
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:40 pm 
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Kodiak wrote:
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As for the Colbert quotes, the only ones I’ve seen are from when he announced Shazier wouldn’t play and they were waiting to hear from the NFL about his roster designation and which “list” he’d be on. I read that as more an issue of how he’d count against the 90 man roster than anything regarding the cap. It certainly was definitely about his salary, that’s for sure.

Definitely hoping you’re right though.


Colbert has already said Shazier would be placed on the exemption list. Said it a week ago.

The NFL is not going to botch this. Guy was paralyzed on national tv, and it's been national news. PIT is willing to pay him but, c'mon, they can't eat $9M in cap when they are trying to win a SB. I would be raising holy hell if they didn't give me cap relief, and it would get very ugly for Roger and the NFL. That PIT/Colbert haven't said squat tells you they've been given assurances and have no reason to believe otherwise.

Not so sure there, Kodiak. The Steelers rarely raise a stink about anything. That's not how they do NFL business. This isn't Dallas and Jerry we're dealing with here. I saw KC's presser and I couldn't discern anything about a cap exemption from it, but I hope you know what you're talking about, because I can't find anyone else that is making that assertion/assumption.


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 Post subject: Re: Antonio Brown converts 2018 base salary into signing bon
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:46 pm 
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Not so sure there, Kodiak. The Steelers rarely raise a stink about anything. That's not how they do NFL business. This isn't Dallas and Jerry we're dealing with here. I saw KC's presser and I couldn't discern anything about a cap exemption from it, but I hope you know what you're talking about, because I can't find anyone else that is making that assertion/assumption.


https://sports.yahoo.com/shazier-miss-2 ... --nfl.html

"Colbert said Shazier will be placed on an exemption list during recovery."



Let's be honest. Despite all the feel good stories and "doing the right thing", PIT is trying to win a championship. It is stupid, reckless and irresponsible to eat $9M in cap for a guy who will probably never play again. There are other things you can do to take care of the guy in a responsbile way that don't hit your cap for $9M.

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 Post subject: Re: Antonio Brown converts 2018 base salary into signing bon
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:21 pm 
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Kodiak wrote:
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Not so sure there, Kodiak. The Steelers rarely raise a stink about anything. That's not how they do NFL business. This isn't Dallas and Jerry we're dealing with here. I saw KC's presser and I couldn't discern anything about a cap exemption from it, but I hope you know what you're talking about, because I can't find anyone else that is making that assertion/assumption.


https://sports.yahoo.com/shazier-miss-2 ... --nfl.html

"Colbert said Shazier will be placed on an exemption list during recovery."



Let's be honest. Despite all the feel good stories and "doing the right thing", PIT is trying to win a championship. It is stupid, reckless and irresponsible to eat $9M in cap for a guy who will probably never play again. There are other things you can do to take care of the guy in a responsbile way that don't hit your cap for $9M.

Again, I don't dispute he will be on some list, my question is whether his salary hit our cap this year. I watched KC's presser and he did say the league will put Ryan on some designated list, but he wasn't sure what it would look like until the fist day of the league year. He did say Ryan WOULD count as one of the 90 roster, so that leaves them at 89.

Could he be put on the Exempt/Commissioner's Permission List like AP and Vick were? If so, I think those guys salaries still counted if I remember correctly.


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 Post subject: Re: Antonio Brown converts 2018 base salary into signing bon
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:27 pm 
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Could he be put on the Exempt/Commissioner's Permission List like AP and Vick were? If so, I think those guys salaries still counted if I remember correctly.


The salary exemption is completely at the Commissioner's discretion. There is absolutely no standard, guideline or rule. This is a guy who is extremely unlikely to ever play again, if not him then who? I really can't believe we're debating this.

I'm saying it is 99.9% certain Shazier will not count against the cap. Otherwise, even if PIT doesn't raise a stink they STILL have to cut him or reach an injury settlement. You simply can't eat $9M in cap - that goes way beyond stupid. It should be 100%, because he's not actually under contract currently.

If Colbert is saying they are going to carry him and honor his contract, then he's been assured of a salary cap exemption. Otherwise he super sucks at his job.

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Yeah, there is a ton of money to be created if necessary.

I just went on overthecap.com and exempted shazier, cut Wilcox and extended Ben and it gave us $18M this year BEFORE cutting Mitchell. Plenty of room.

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 Post subject: Re: Antonio Brown converts 2018 base salary into signing bon
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Kodiak wrote:
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Could he be put on the Exempt/Commissioner's Permission List like AP and Vick were? If so, I think those guys salaries still counted if I remember correctly.


The salary exemption is completely at the Commissioner's discretion. There is absolutely no standard, guideline or rule. This is a guy who is extremely unlikely to ever play again, if not him then who? I really can't believe we're debating this.

I'm saying it is 99.9% certain Shazier will not count against the cap. Otherwise, even if PIT doesn't raise a stink they STILL have to cut him or reach an injury settlement. You simply can't eat $9M in cap - that goes way beyond stupid. It should be 100%, because he's not actually under contract currently.

If Colbert is saying they are going to carry him and honor his contract, then he's been assured of a salary cap exemption. Otherwise he super sucks at his job.

If you say so, but I can't find any other credible source anywhere clearly stating his salary will not count. Hope your right and not just assuming, because you know what usually happens when we assume.


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 Post subject: Re: Antonio Brown converts 2018 base salary into signing bon
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If you say so, but I can't find any other credible source anywhere clearly stating his salary will not count. Hope your right and not just assuming, because you know what usually happens when we assume.


I'm assuming Colbert DOES NOT absolutely suck at his job. Otherwise beyond fucking moronic for Shazier to end-up counting against the cap. If you were CLE, sure, but you're tight against the cap and chasing a championship.

Colbert "doesn't know" which exemption list Shazier will be on, but it's "special". That 99% sounds like a cap exemption, as it 100% should be.

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 Post subject: Re: Antonio Brown converts 2018 base salary into signing bon
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Kodiak wrote:
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Could he be put on the Exempt/Commissioner's Permission List like AP and Vick were? If so, I think those guys salaries still counted if I remember correctly.


The salary exemption is completely at the Commissioner's discretion. There is absolutely no standard, guideline or rule. This is a guy who is extremely unlikely to ever play again, if not him then who? I really can't believe we're debating this.

I'm saying it is 99.9% certain Shazier will not count against the cap. Otherwise, even if PIT doesn't raise a stink they STILL have to cut him or reach an injury settlement. You simply can't eat $9M in cap - that goes way beyond stupid. It should be 100%, because he's not actually under contract currently.

If Colbert is saying they are going to carry him and honor his contract, then he's been assured of a salary cap exemption. Otherwise he super sucks at his job.

What do you mean he's not under contract currently? They picked up his 5th year option last April and it is guaranteed against injury, 100%. Also, there is no injury settlement if they cut him, he is 100% guaranteed his salary of $8+ million no matter what (unless you're trying to call that an injury settlement - kinda wierd).

While I totally agree his SALARY should be exempt and the PR points too, I'm having a hard time getting to your 99.9% assumption.


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