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 Post subject: Steelers ranked #7 in the "Future Power Rankings"
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/ ... easons#PIT

Need Insider access to read the story, but anyone can watch the video that comes along with it.

Basically, a bunch of "experts' looked at five different categories, and ranked each NFL team's chances for success over the next three years.

Steelers came in 7th.

Mildly interesting...throwing it out there for discussion.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers ranked #7 in the "Future Power Rankings"
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Can I assume then that they aren't trashing our recent draft?

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers ranked #7 in the "Future Power Rankings"
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BarryFoster wrote:
Can I assume then that they aren't trashing our recent draft?


If anyone has insider access, they can tell us. You can only see a couple of teams' evaluations.

They rated teams based on their QB, the rest of the roster, the draft, the FO, and the coaches.

Flexibility in the salary cap was also mentioned in the video.

I notice we were the highest ranked team in our division according to this score, however it is calculated.

I like how the dude said he thought Cleveland was being punished for past sins.

And Antonietta Collins is someone I would do in a heartbeat...just as an aside.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers ranked #7 in the "Future Power Rankings"
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Cognitive Dissonance. we collectively can't get our minds around a positive view of our future prospects.

If we were ranked 30 out of 32 there would be 10 pages on how the entire org, outside of Ben, sucks and this is just another sign.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers ranked #7 in the "Future Power Rankings"
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Shouldn't have anything to do with this draft. I agree with a #7 rank due mainly to how offense came together over 2nd half of season and getting faster on defense

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers ranked #7 in the "Future Power Rankings"
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The overview: Pittsburgh moved up seven spots from the past offseason, thanks to gains in the team's outlook at QB (plus-10), on the rest of its roster (plus-7) and in its drafting (plus-6). There's evidence the Steelers have made significant strides in adding youth and speed to their defense, led by first-round pick Ryan Shazier, and that those changes will help the team for years to come. Only the Chargers gained more than the Steelers in the QB rankings. It's something of a surprise to see Ben Roethlisberger gaining ground at age 32, but he did start all 16 games this past season -- the second time he has played every game in a season. And, as KC Joyner pointed out recently, Roethlisberger seems to be making better decisions with the football in recent seasons. The offensive line should be improved in years to come, as well. --Mike Sando

The dilemma: Dating back to when I played against them two times a year with the Browns (1993-95), the Steelers have always been known for a "lights-out" style of run defense with excellent outside linebacker play and a secondary that was opportunistic in creating turnovers. In 2013, the defense was nothing like this, which is why names such as DL Stephon Tuitt, OLB Jarvis Jones and FS Mike Mitchell will either make this defense (and team overall) a force to be reckoned with for the foreseeable future or turn out to be failed acquisitions that contributed to this franchise not being able to go where it is accustomed to going: Super Bowls. --Louis Riddick

The youth movement: The Steelers should get immediate impact from 2014 first-rounder Shazier, who has the instincts to play early for Dick LeBeau, which is a pretty good compliment. For me, the player to watch the next two years, aside from Jones, whom Louis mentioned, is 2014 second-rounder Tuitt, who could become a disruptive force in this system, given his athletic credentials and very good production when he's 100 percent. Also, WR Martavis Bryant is an impressive pass-catcher and athlete. --Mel Kiper

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers ranked #7 in the "Future Power Rankings"
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Iron_City wrote:
Shouldn't have anything to do with this draft. I agree with a #7 rank due mainly to how offense came together over 2nd half of season and getting faster on defense


How did we get faster on D?

Oh yeah, drafted Shazier and Tuitt.

Mitchell via FA.

So how does the draft not impact our future stock price?

Stock symbol PS.....Morgan Stanley just upgraded to "Buy and accumulate."

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers ranked #7 in the "Future Power Rankings"
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BarryFoster wrote:
Iron_City wrote:
Shouldn't have anything to do with this draft. I agree with a #7 rank due mainly to how offense came together over 2nd half of season and getting faster on defense


How did we get faster on D?

Oh yeah, drafted Shazier and Tuitt.

Mitchell via FA.

So how does the draft not impact our future stock price?

Stock symbol PS.....Morgan Stanley just upgraded to "Buy and accumulate."


Ummm, who's talking about the future, I was talking about this season

If you don't think losing Clark, Woodley, and Vince Williams doesn't make them faster then I don't know what to tell you

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers ranked #7 in the "Future Power Rankings"
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Iron_City wrote:
BarryFoster wrote:
Iron_City wrote:
Shouldn't have anything to do with this draft. I agree with a #7 rank due mainly to how offense came together over 2nd half of season and getting faster on defense


How did we get faster on D?

Oh yeah, drafted Shazier and Tuitt.

Mitchell via FA.

So how does the draft not impact our future stock price?

Stock symbol PS.....Morgan Stanley just upgraded to "Buy and accumulate."


Ummm, who's talking about the future, I was talking about this season

If you don't think losing Clark, Woodley, and Vince Williams doesn't make them faster then I don't know what to tell you


Speed will also come with younger players being more familiar with the system on both sides of the ball.


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 Post subject: Re: Steelers ranked #7 in the "Future Power Rankings"
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:13 pm 
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Ranked #7, almost all in part due to #7

I hope the ownership and coaches realize how important Ben is...and how much donkey dick this team will suck once he retires. They have an ELITE QB in PASSING LEAGUE. Let's hope they realize this and utilize Ben to the fullest. If they do, I think we can add some more hardware to the trophy case.

No doubt we're going to have a long dry spell after #7 hangs it up.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers ranked #7 in the "Future Power Rankings"
PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:25 am 
The overview: Pittsburgh moved up seven spots from the past offseason, thanks to gains in the team's outlook at QB (plus-10), on the rest of its roster (plus-7) and in its drafting (plus-6). There's evidence the Steelers have made significant strides in adding youth and speed to their defense, led by first-round pick Ryan Shazier, and that those changes will help the team for years to come. Only the Chargers gained more than the Steelers in the QB rankings. It's something of a surprise to see Ben Roethlisberger gaining ground at age 32, but he did start all 16 games this past season -- the second time he has played every game in a season. And, as KC Joyner pointed out recently, Roethlisberger seems to be making better decisions with the football in recent seasons. The offensive line should be improved in years to come, as well. --Mike Sando

BR hasn't been given an extension. Not a single defensive acquisition has proven anything in the NFL...even Mitchel has all of 8 starts at FS. Same losers on the Oline that were botom fifth rush offense and can't be trusted in pass pro.

The dilemma: Dating back to when I played against them two times a year with the Browns (1993-95), the Steelers have always been known for a "lights-out" style of run defense with excellent outside linebacker play and a secondary that was opportunistic in creating turnovers. In 2013, the defense was nothing like this, which is why names such as DL Stephon Tuitt, OLB Jarvis Jones and FS Mike Mitchell will either make this defense (and team overall) a force to be reckoned with for the foreseeable future or turn out to be failed acquisitions that contributed to this franchise not being able to go where it is accustomed to going: Super Bowls. --Louis Riddick

This I mostly agree with.

The youth movement: The Steelers should get immediate impact from 2014 first-rounder Shazier, who has the instincts to play early for Dick LeBeau, which is a pretty good compliment. For me, the player to watch the next two years, aside from Jones, whom Louis mentioned, is 2014 second-rounder Tuitt, who could become a disruptive force in this system, given his athletic credentials and very good production when he's 100 percent. Also, WR Martavis Bryant is an impressive pass-catcher and athlete. --Mel Kiper

All projections...for a consecutive 8-8 team.


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Roethlisberger has been making better decisions? (note: I'm not saying he was ever poor, I'm saying he's been doing that for a LONG time). How much has KC Joyner watched him and for how long?

The only times Ben has made some poor decisions have almost always been when he's less than 100% and making throws he knows he can make but doesn't know his banged-up body can do. The issues in 2012....Ben played mostly within himself and smart, until late when they needed him to win the game and he just didn't have the arm he's accustomed to.

I'm starting to think NFL talking heads equate dink-and-dunk to being smart. Now that Haley is calling those plays and Ben is running them, he's suddenly a smarter and better QB?

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers ranked #7 in the "Future Power Rankings"
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The emergence of DeCastro and Bell turned a putrid offense into something remotely credible. Body by Beachum kept Ben from getting killed on passing downs.

Put their backups in and this forecast changes...Ben doesn't survive 12 games let alone 16.

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 Post subject: Re: Steelers ranked #7 in the "Future Power Rankings"
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Kodiak wrote:
Roethlisberger has been making better decisions? (note: I'm not saying he was ever poor, I'm saying he's been doing that for a LONG time). How much has KC Joyner watched him and for how long?

The only times Ben has made some poor decisions have almost always been when he's less than 100% and making throws he knows he can make but doesn't know his banged-up body can do. The issues in 2012....Ben played mostly within himself and smart, until late when they needed him to win the game and he just didn't have the arm he's accustomed to.

I'm starting to think NFL talking heads equate dink-and-dunk to being smart. Now that Haley is calling those plays and Ben is running them, he's suddenly a smarter and better QB?


I think you can assume that a 32 year old QB will make "smarter" decisions than the same QB at 26, purely on experience alone.

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Kodiak wrote:
Roethlisberger has been making better decisions? (note: I'm not saying he was ever poor, I'm saying he's been doing that for a LONG time). How much has KC Joyner watched him and for how long?

The only times Ben has made some poor decisions have almost always been when he's less than 100% and making throws he knows he can make but doesn't know his banged-up body can do. The issues in 2012....Ben played mostly within himself and smart, until late when they needed him to win the game and he just didn't have the arm he's accustomed to.

I'm starting to think NFL talking heads equate dink-and-dunk to being smart. Now that Haley is calling those plays and Ben is running them, he's suddenly a smarter and better QB?


Joyner is a stat guy and this is his area of expertise - evaluating QB decisions, throws etc. Doesn't mean he's right . . . but it is a stat thing not a Steve Young eyeball thing. speaking of eyeball thing, like most of you I've seen every play ben has played, every throw he's made. I haven't charted it, but it really appears to me that he is making less bad decisions. Whether it's offensive structure or Ben getting better, there have been many less "oh shit" moments with Ben the past couple of years.

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Kodiak wrote:
Roethlisberger has been making better decisions? (note: I'm not saying he was ever poor, I'm saying he's been doing that for a LONG time). How much has KC Joyner watched him and for how long?

The only times Ben has made some poor decisions have almost always been when he's less than 100% and making throws he knows he can make but doesn't know his banged-up body can do. The issues in 2012....Ben played mostly within himself and smart, until late when they needed him to win the game and he just didn't have the arm he's accustomed to.

I'm starting to think NFL talking heads equate dink-and-dunk to being smart. Now that Haley is calling those plays and Ben is running them, he's suddenly a smarter and better QB?



Ben has made plenty of bad decisions when he was completely healthy....and those bad decisions have been cut down with the arrival of Todd Haley.

Now, the negatives of Haley's offensive system outweigh that positive, IMO, but he HAS helped with Ben's decision-making.

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